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Advice for computer science major who wants to be nomad


by @jodebane 9yr  | 3 comments

Hello. I am a high school senior in the Northeast USA who will soon be attending college. I have been traveling abroad solo since I was 16, and I have loved every second of it. I am going to major in Computer Science at American University, DC. Itโ€™s not a school thatโ€™s known for Computer Science but I loved the general culture and feel of the campus.

I want to be a digital nomad straight out of college if possible. I canโ€™t stand the thought of having 2 weeks of vacation a year. Iโ€™m most interested in freelance jobs that are web-design related, and where I can make good use of a CS degree.

Is this a good idea? How can I go about doing things in college in a way that will help me prepare for this digital nomad lifestyle? Should I prepare throughout my college life and do freelance jobs when Iโ€™m not doing schoolwork? Is there any good route for this that doesnโ€™t involve doing a regular job first?

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@tomhoward 9yr

I did most of a CS degree at a University not really known for CS as well (Towson U north of Baltimore). Now I own a Digital Marketing agency, and am currently living on a tropical island in Thailand.

I think my biggest regret in life, which I have very few of, is sticking with the degree program for as long as I did. I eventually dropped out, but not before trying to keep at it and finish it for a long time, because I felt like I had to prove to the world that I could.

I racked up a lot of debt in the process, but more importantly, I lost a lot of time, which is what I wish I had back.

But first, here is what I liked about college:

  • Lots of fun times and parties. Totally worth staying for 1-2 years for this alone.
  • There were some interesting classes and people, from an intellectual perspective
  • I did learn some useful things in CS, that shaped my understanding of technology

That being said, I still think it was a waste of time. Part of that may be because I like to be interested in what Iโ€™m learning, and I like to learn by applying, not by theory.

Here is what I disliked:

  • Classes are highly dependent on the teacher. Interesting classes with bad teachers were a waste of time.
  • Classes are too varied, being forced to learn subjects Iโ€™m not interested in was a waste of my time.
  • CS programs are incredibly slow moving. I think their entire curriculum could be taught in 6 months.
  • CS programs are 98% theory, almost no practical applications or coding takes place.
  • The monetary and time costs are far larger than the value I got from the classes.

Personally, I would probably skip college if I was doing it again. Maybe I would do 1 year for the experience and the partying. Then again, backpacking is a great partying experience too.

I would learn the entire Computer Science curriculum online, for free or cheap, at a fraction of the time. I highly recommend Udacity, their instructors are a lot more effective teachers than the ones you will get at a school not known for their program.

To become a web developer, I would go work for a local web agency. Its not nearly as bad as a cubicle job. You will learn 1000x more about web development and internet business in 1 year at web company than you will in 4 years at a university.

Knowing what I know now, Iโ€™d only consider going to a university in order to build my personal network. I would only attend a top-tier school where I can be assured that most graduates would do the things I would want people in my network to be doing.

Also keep in mind that degrees are essentially worthless in the non-corporate tech industry. The only thing that matters is what you have done and what skills you have. Once you get some projects under your belt you will always be able to find work.

Take what I say with a grain of salt of course. Iโ€™ve tried to share my experiences rather than advice as much as possible, so you can decide if it applies to you.

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What kind of job do you want to do when you graduate? Most CS jobs that I can think of would not be remote, particlarly not as entry level. You need to figure out a job that will let you be location independent. Software development is a good one and many nomads go this route, but you wonโ€™t learn to code while getting a CS degree unless you teach yourself on the side. You could start a business and see if you can get it generating enough income. You can figure out what skills you can offer remotely and start freelancing. There are lots of ways to be a nomad, you just have to be creative enough and want it enough. Biggest tip: donโ€™t get into any kind of debt (including school). Itโ€™s not worth it and itโ€™ll make it much harder to go nomading any time soon.

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@digital 9yr

Hi Joseph,

Nice to meet you !

Actually, Iโ€™m not a digital nomad yet but Iโ€™m in the same situation as you are, studying in a French business school. And I will be entirely gratuated in 2017โ€ฆ

But, here is what I do and what you can do in order to wait until the great moment of your graduation:

  • if you have got a lot of time like me, you can set up a business with freelance work (on odesk.com for instance), create your own business (with niches websites and Adsense revenue). At the beginning, I was posting my work proposition on local website (something like craiglist I think in the US ?) and I had some people from my city who contacted me.
  • maybe your university allows you to do โ€œexchange semester abroadโ€ ? Apply for them and go visit other universities, I think you will learn how to be a freelancer remotely.

For the moment, this is all I have but, if other things come to my mind, I will let you know by posting a message :wink:

And sorry for my non-native English :stuck_out_tongue:

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Hello digital nomad!

I dream of being an independent digital nomad. But it feels very elusive & unattainable with my success rate. In full disclosure, whilst I have dreamed about making money online since high school; I have not earned a single cent making money online. $0, nada, zilch!! On the contrary, I have spent a lot of time & money on books, podcasts. Even though I have spent a lot of time reading/listening to others, I do not have anything to show for it!

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by @rodriigovieira 4yr 4 years ago  | 19 comments

Hello everyone! Iโ€™m new here and probably this is a very newbie question, but it doesnโ€™t leave my head.

How do you, nomads, pay your taxes? I mean, if youโ€™re constantly traveling, how are you going to pay taxes for a certain country if you are going to stay there a short period of time?
Or do you return to your โ€œoriginal countryโ€ and then pay them?

By the way, this forum has very nice cool formatting features! :smile:

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by @martinratinaud 4yr 4 years ago  | 4 comments

All members of my family has different needs and hobbies so how do you pick the perfect places?

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My first time nomad-ing... Spain or Portugal?


in Portugal by @jasraj 4yr 4 years ago  | 6 comments

Hey everyone,

Iโ€™m a freelance + nomad newbie, off for my 1st proper trip in May. Iโ€™m wanting to spend a month somewhere and go from there.

I just came back from Slovenia/Ljubljana and loved it there (just a week). I donโ€™t mind โ€œsleepierโ€ places par-say, as long as theyโ€™re close to a beach or nature of some kind. In fact, I kinda like places less-busy and a bit smaller/cosier.

Iโ€™m been swaying towards Porto, but have been impressed by the rave reviews Iโ€™ve seen for Valencia.

-> Have you every nomad-ed in a Spanish/Portuguese city? Iโ€™d love to know where and what you liked/disliked :slight_smile:

Thanks! :slight_smile:

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