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Are there any nomad game developers here?


by @munly_leong | 6yr  | 16 comments

Are there any nomad game developers here? or aspiring nomad game developers? It does seem to be an extreme rarity. Even moreso since most game devs typically donโ€™t cross over with the web developer or startup crowds unless they have something like Unity3D in common. Also games are typically a lot more work than websites and are usually much less profitable at the indie/small studio level.

Anyway hereโ€™s what Iโ€™ve found so far.
http://www.chronosoft.com/ - only making $150/mnth on RPGMaker type games, tough even for Chiang Mai :frowning:

http://www.gamedevnomad.com/ - seems like heโ€™s trying to support himself creating art asset packs first and work up to building games full time.

Looking forward to blogging about my own journey but I have a ways to go to even catch up to these guys first. Was also thinking that anyone working on even moderately complex Unity games or high res 2d games might have assets and builds that are prohibitive to move around on countries with weaker internet, i.e. sub 5mbit, cough Australia :wink: etc. Would love to hear more experiences if you got them.

There are far more teams collaborating remotely out there just from what I know, but almost none of them are nomads with most AAA and vfx studios not working this way in part due to potential IP leaking issues but it seems not to be a problem with the kickstarter generation.

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@anywhereness | 5yr

Iโ€™m an aspiring game dev and DN. Have started up one moderately sized project, and made some serious headway, but overall the market is very demotivating to put concentrated effort into it.

So, itโ€™s a hobby done out of interest, because honestlyโ€ฆ I like it.

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@kangasjuha | 5yr

I was working on an indie game with my friend (we first started 4-5 years ago) next to my web dev nomading this year. It was going quite slow doing both and I recently decided to put my own part in the game on hold, because basically I want less computer time, be healthy and enjoy my travels instead.

Hereโ€™s a link to our blog/site if youโ€™re curious: http://backworlds.com/

Cheers!

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@munly_leong | 5yr

Just read your blog. Ouch but pretty much confirms what Iโ€™ve been saying for years and my 1 year of a contract shop confirmed. Its nearly impossible to do game dev in the off hrs and actually sustain it since your commitment gets pushed out years and anything longer than 2-3 yrs max of dev can find itself in a dramatically different environment and ecosystem than when it started. The only way to do it is full time and to ship quickly and thatโ€™s already hard enough as is.

LOL thanks for agreeing with me about the less computer time. Iโ€™ve experimented a lot with it this year but got nothing but funny or suspicious looks when trying to avoid dev myself and what I did find wasnโ€™t very promising. At this point itโ€™s probably easier to do contract dev and arbitrage cost of living to better enjoy the journey and time.

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@kangasjuha | 5yr

Yeah itโ€™s definitely been hard keeping it up over the years. My nomading is also of the type where I stay max 1 month and not necessarily in cheap countries, so I have to keep up the work to support my lifestyle. Maybe if I stayed in a really cheap place for long I could work a lot less with web dev and more on the game part.

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@munly_leong | 5yr

LOL well atm Iโ€™m trying to not have to do any webdev ! at least I tried this year but I may have to bite the bullet and do at least some mobile dev next year. For me the nomad life is a bonus and an indulgence if I get to have it but gamedev is the priority.

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@chronosoft | 5yr

Heh, just poked my head into this threadโ€ฆ I am @Chronosoft!

Fortunately Iโ€™m not trying to sustain myself off gamedev work yet, as I earn plenty of money from my long standing automation consulting business (like multiple orders of magnitude per month more money).

iOS game development was a hobby of mine a number of years ago during a short dry spell of my primary business, but itโ€™s something I have big plans for diving into again in 2016. Already have stockpiled a bunch of custom commissioned sprites and artwork toward my next couple games. I will be winding down my current consulting gigs once I hit my โ€œmagic numberโ€ in investments, so that I can coast almost indefinitely without worry if I donโ€™t have any huge successes.

The gold rush has been over for a long time, but I am confident enough in my fanbase and contacts to say itโ€™ll be pretty easy to grow from $100+ a month to $100+ per day with a bit of love and attention. That is more than enough to sustain my new lifestyle and let me travel all around asia without touching my investments and savings at all.

Iโ€™m in the USA at the moment on business (and visiting some family at the same time), but planning to escape just before winter hitsโ€ฆ heading back to Hong Kong, Bangkok, and Cebu City for several months or more. Would be love to talk shop with like minded people if thereโ€™s an interest. I agree they seem to be a rare breed, a shame because the digital nomad life is a great fit for game developers! :smile:

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@munly_leong | 5yr

hey good to see you. I was actually meaning to say hi, but its been busy. Have actually just started my first location independent gig this week, its a pretty terrible social media gig but at least low hours while Iโ€™m building out a dropship business. Doesnt pay enough to get me anywhere except maybe Chiang Mai.

Gamedev is very far away and getting further as I go through the hoops :stuck_out_tongue:

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@dan335 | 6yr

Iโ€™ll be one in january. Worked in AAA for 11 years and also know web development. Leaving in january for a year to lower my cost of living and work on my own projects. Hoping to run into others doing the same thing.

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@munly_leong | 6yr

yeah thatโ€™s a good point about actually making a living from it. Those guys still seem like theyโ€™re still trying to get there. Well at least people are trying but unless people are doing exclusively PC/mobile dev , it would be too hard to do it with consoles. Most console dev kit contracts require you to have a secured office etc. I think though, that and other limiting aspects of console development are going to doom this cycle to be the last one that even matters.

Anyway if Iโ€™m the first one to pull this off, so be it. If anything Iโ€™m just disappointed that itโ€™s so rare on this side of tech

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@levelsio | 6yr

I think if youโ€™re talking game development remotely, you should mostly look into actual game companies with remote workers. And they exist, see https://remoteok.io/remote-game-dev-jobs

Trying to build your own game and launch it successfully remotely I think is the same challenge as doing it non-remotely. The challenge is not about working remotely so much as it is about competing as an indie game in a saturated market with low-spending.

we may be headed towards an โ€œIndie Extinction Eventโ€ as the number of titles from known indie developers that fail to find their market increases.

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@munly_leong | 6yr

LOL many of those jobs tagged gamedev arenโ€™t actually gamedev. Looks like you still have to tweak the scrapers a bit. i.e automattic wordpress community manager, christian counseling etc :smile:

I see some Unity/VR stuff in there which like I said typically is where the crossover happens. Not so much with say traditional C++ PC dev or anything which is a shame.

Low spending is one factor, the other is too many games competing for time too and therein lies the real problem. There are more quality games out there than most people have time for which is why the mainstream prefers things simple and herds around things like COD and GTA etc. That being said Iโ€™m not planning to do the typical indie/Steam type thing.

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@levelsio | 6yr

Haha yes, needs some work thanks :smiley:

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@levelsio | 6yr

I know @haxpor from Bangkok is one, he works in Chiang Mai and Ho Chi Minh a lot. See https://twitter.com/haxpor

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@hydrofog | 6yr

Iโ€™m not a nomad yet, but I can tell you a lot about the indie dev community and such and some of my experiences over the past couple years.

So to beginโ€ฆ the money isnโ€™t there. It is, and it isnโ€™t. Itโ€™s there if you want to take huge risks and dump a ton of time into something that may gain you $0 in revenue.

I am close with some pretty successful indie developers, one of which has made over $70,000+ on his indie game on Steam. Heโ€™s been working on his game for a little over 1.5 years. He sometimes will do up to 16 hour days. Granted itโ€™s HIS game, so those long hours might not be so bad, since he gets to work with his own stuff. So that is pretty awesome, Iโ€™m super happy for him.

So now that weโ€™ve discussed the 1 out of every 1000 people, lets talk about why indie game dev is probably one of the most risky things you could do. I can easily make a wordpress site for a company for $1000, that will take me a full day or two days worth of work to make it look good and get it to be where the client wants it to be. I want the site to look good for my client of course, so I will spend some time touching it up to make it really nice.

NOW, when making your own game, you are getting paid $0 to work really long days in hopes that your game will be something. You will fall into this loop of โ€œeverything has to be perfectโ€. You want it to be more perfect the more and more you work on it. This turns into an endless cycle and generally most people donโ€™t finish their games due to this reason. They begin to realize the game they are making is way out of scope, and if it is in scope, they try to make it perfect for to long.

There is a lot more I could write, but basically, indie game dev alone isnโ€™t worth it. Way to risky, and literally a good chance you will make nothing and have wasted all that time.

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@munly_leong | 6yr

None of that is news to me, I was formerly AAA and also wise enough to know to not try and work the same way as an indie. For me itโ€™s less about being a nomad and lowering my costs to make it worthwhile even though from a business POV I have a much more realistic, yet also ambitious plan. And at the same time for the longest time Iโ€™ve seen people work on things way out of scope vs their resources/realistic release timeframes.

Now that Iโ€™m more cognisant about things like dropshipping and Wordpress sites in terms of work/reward ratio it is far better to do things like that just to feed yourself instead of depending on the game to hit.

Where I disagree with you is that it is very worth it and pretty much the only way itโ€™s a dream job now is as an indie. But definitely donโ€™t do it for money or at least a basic means of living. If I get there great, but yeah defintiely just about anything elseโ€ฆ even web dev for survival.

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@hydrofog | 6yr

We are talking about living off of it, no? The only way to ever make it work as an indie game dev nomad would be have a game that is already generating income before you go. You know this already though.

Developing for an AAA company I would just flat out never do, I know people in the industry and Iโ€™ve heard HORROR STORIES. You have experience with this first hand so you know what is what.

Either way, if you can pull it off, thatโ€™d make me insanely happy. I know all the work that goes into games, and can appreciate it more so than anything else. Even if it isnโ€™t as an indie (although that takes the coolness level down alot).

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Are there any digital nomads in the Islands e.g Bermuda, Barbuda, St. Kitts and Nevis?


in Antigua, Guatemala by @momo11 | 2mo 1 month ago | 3 comments

Does anyone ever travel to any Islands like Bermuda, Barbados, Barbuda and St. Kitts & Nevis?

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Hi guys,

After the Netherlands, the Bay Area, Colorado and being on the van life for 8 months, I am now in Sedona, AZ with a few other digital nomads. We are sharing a home here and are wondering if there are more like minded people in the area.

We do a bunch of hikes and campouts in the northern of Arizona. If you would like to connect with us, please do so :)

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by @eljaques | 5mo 4 months ago | 1 comment

I'm in need of a tax advisor who understands "our" typical situation. I'm all good on being legal on taxes at this point, but as I'm doing more investing and there's more compliance and KYC and such, it's getting more complicated to deal with this topic. Not living in my country of citizenship, company in another country, resident in yet another country, banking in a different country ... you know how it is, a pile of red flags.

Would be great to find a good tax advisor to sort things in a way that makes my situation as "explainable" and easily dealt with as possible. Any leads?

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How to get into the digital nomad lifestyle?


in Switzerland by @filiptk | 5mo 5 months ago | 1 comment

Hi, I've got a question to anyone who had experience with the digital nomad lifestyle. I'm 24, I'm in my last year of university doing computer science, got 3 years of experience mostly doing web development.

I never liked the idea of staying in one place, getting a job and growing roots - hence the will to take the opportunity and travel the world. My main question is โ€“ how do I go about it? Are there any useful resources I could look into?

How do I go about insurance and such once I decide to move. I currently live in Switzerland and do freelance work for one company. It's not a lot, since my studies don't allow me to pick up a full time job, but it allows me to cover simple expenses.

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What is the best online insurance for digital nomads ?


by @berberos | 7mo 7 months ago | 4 comments

Hi guys ! hope you are doing well.

I would love to get your feedback regarding the best insurance for digital nomads. i'm traveling around Asia since 1 year and for next 4 or 5 years. Would love to buy an insurance to cover especially :

- health

- laptop, phone ...

- Flights

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by @mattlock | 11mo 10 months ago | 33 comments

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by @larsheather | 11mo 11 months ago | 5 comments

Anyone know of any groups or resources for Ph.D. students working on dissertation while living as a digital nomad? I know there are several virtual writing groups around, but wondered if there were any specifically for digital nomads, particularly those who are dissertating.

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by @al_steffen | 12mo 11 months ago | 59 comments

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Iโ€™m looking for an international health insurance (no travel insurance) for my nomadic life. It should cover the basic services and at least be accepted in the EU (itโ€™s ok if itโ€™s not accepted in the US as Iโ€™m aware they rarely are). Nice to have: enter into a contract online. Anyone got a good experience or a recommendation?

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by @iamhopeless | 12mo 11 months ago | 1 comment

Just curious. What percentage of men vs women are on here.

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by @lightworker | 1yr 1 year ago | 2 comments

Anyone with knowledge regarding complications of not being a tax resident anywhere in the world? Iโ€™m aware that primary health care, bank account opening and incorperation can be problematic but are there other practical or legal factors I should be aware of?

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by @programmingmark | 1yr 1 year ago | 2 comments

Hello digital nomad!

I dream of being an independent digital nomad. But it feels very elusive & unattainable with my success rate. In full disclosure, whilst I have dreamed about making money online since high school; I have not earned a single cent making money online. $0, nada, zilch!! On the contrary, I have spent a lot of time & money on books, podcasts. Even though I have spent a lot of time reading/listening to others, I do not have anything to show for it!

I have made attempts in the past to start an online business, but these fizzle out quite quickly when I do not see traction especially when the goal I have set myself is too high.

Instead of reaching for the ultimate nomadic lifestyle goal, I want to start much smaller. Really small! I am simply looking to make $50 profit per month from a new online business. Thatโ€™s it.

I need some advice from you please!

  • Is $50 profit too low? How long did it take you to earn $50 profit per month?

  • What is a good way of achieving this goal?

Thanks
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aka the $0 online business entrepreneur

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in Osaka, Japan by @freddychanut | 1yr 1 year ago | 1 comment

Will be in Osaka this April/May and was curious to discover interesting groups/events.
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by @rodriigovieira | 1yr 1 year ago | 19 comments

Hello everyone! Iโ€™m new here and probably this is a very newbie question, but it doesnโ€™t leave my head.

How do you, nomads, pay your taxes? I mean, if youโ€™re constantly traveling, how are you going to pay taxes for a certain country if you are going to stay there a short period of time?
Or do you return to your โ€œoriginal countryโ€ and then pay them?

By the way, this forum has very nice cool formatting features! :smile:

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by @martinratinaud | 1yr 1 year ago | 4 comments

All members of my family has different needs and hobbies so how do you pick the perfect places?

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in Portugal by @jasraj | 1yr 1 year ago | 6 comments

Hey everyone,

Iโ€™m a freelance + nomad newbie, off for my 1st proper trip in May. Iโ€™m wanting to spend a month somewhere and go from there.

I just came back from Slovenia/Ljubljana and loved it there (just a week). I donโ€™t mind โ€œsleepierโ€ places par-say, as long as theyโ€™re close to a beach or nature of some kind. In fact, I kinda like places less-busy and a bit smaller/cosier.

Iโ€™m been swaying towards Porto, but have been impressed by the rave reviews Iโ€™ve seen for Valencia.

-> Have you every nomad-ed in a Spanish/Portuguese city? Iโ€™d love to know where and what you liked/disliked :slight_smile:

Thanks! :slight_smile:

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by @krzemian | 1yr 1 year ago | 3 comments

Hey, is there currently a way to save filter settings? I feel like it would be helpful for planning the trip as I have several ideas on what to target and would like to cycle between them

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Anyone know an accountant for Canadian nomads/expats?


by @noam_lightstone | 1yr 1 year ago | 16 comments

Hey guys, this was my first year as a Canadian nomad.

As far as I know of, Canadians donโ€™t pay taxes if they do not live in the country for 6 months.

But Iโ€™d like to talk to an accountant or someone who does Canadian taxes specifically for expats and nomads to get clear on the rules and for help on my return coming up.

Does anyone know someone who specializes in Canada who can help? Iโ€™ve seen plenty of US recommendations but none for us canucks.

Thanks guys!

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by @rose_davis | 1yr 1 year ago | 7 comments

Hi!

I am planning to move to Latin America for 3-4 months (Oct-January). Iโ€™ve narrowed down 6 different places that I want to visit before committing to settling down, but Iโ€™d love to get some community input.

Here are the cities Iโ€™m considering:

  • Quito, Ecuador
  • Cuenca, Ecuador
  • Medellin, Columbia
  • Cartagena, Columbia
  • Antigua, Guatemala
  • San Marcos La Laguna, Guatemala

The most important things Iโ€™m looking for:

  • Fast/easily accessible internet
  • Easy to meet other nomads/make friends in general
  • Safe for women
  • Some sort of spiritual community (Iโ€™m also a yoga teacher)
  • Easily walkable city

Anyone have any experience with these places and can give some insight? Iโ€™m also completely open to other recommendations.

Thanks!
Rose

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