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Best way to send and receive money abroad beside Paypal?


by @dearezkitha | 4yr  | 15 comments

Hi guys

According to you what is the best way to send and receive money abroad beside paypal?
What are the fees?
What are the pros and cons?

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@sabolmm | 4yr

Bitcoin.

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Have you heard of bitwage? They are pretty much the fastest (same day) and cheapest way, but they are quite limited in where they payout unless you want bitcoin. They also donโ€™t require the sending party to sign up, so itโ€™s pretty easy on your clients.

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@refuseillusion | 4yr

There are hidden fees when using Bitwage.

  • FX rate is based on BTC rate. E.g. USD => EUR is calculate using USD/BTC => BTC/EUR. When transferring from USD to EUR I usually end up with a 0.3 - 3% fee.
  • Receive Wire Transfer: 10 USD. Waived when paying $10/m subscription
  • Receive money in bank account with FX conversion: 1% on top of BTC-calculated rate. Waived wieht subscription

Otherwise Iโ€™ve found their service to be pretty great

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@theunisk | 4yr

If you have access (or are able to open) bank accounts in both countries, bitcoin is an excellent option, probably the cheapest out there, although it may require a bit more management than the other option.
Transferwise and other services like it would be my next choice.

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@denharsh | 4yr

@dea_rezkitha

I have been using Bitcoins for a while & so far if you want to do real time transaction, you will have no problem.
This is the model that one need to follow

Buy it > Transfer it
On receivers end:

Receive it > Sell it > Transfer the fund to bank account

Great saving. I have been trying to persuade my affiliate marketing managers to start paying me using Bitcoins. It saves a lot! :slight_smile:

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@keegansard | 4yr

What is your favorite Bitcoin client @theunis?

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@dearezkitha | 4yr

@theunis How about the volatility of bitcoin rate - will that affect you personally. I have opened my bitcoin account but havenโ€™t convinced any of my clients to use it because it is fairly new concept for them. Just want to know your thoughts or experience on that?

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@theunisk | 4yr

Volatility is definitely a problem - I keep some money in BTC and simply accept the volatility it is subjected to (so far the overall trend has been positive, which will hopefully continue, but who knows). However, the strategy I mentioned above is not subject to this. I purchase BTC in the US and immediately sell in my home country, so the price does not change.
That being said, this has recently been dealt a blow since I used Circle to purchase the BTC, and they have stopped buying/selling BTC. There is another US company called Coinbase that does this, but I have been unable to verify with them. So I am now stuck with either following the transferwise route, or doing a wire transfer to a BTC exchange such as bitstamp.

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@chelocoach | 4yr

Hi @dea_rezkitha

Last year a looked for many options to receive payment form my clients abroad and by far the best (for me at least) is Payoneer.

You pay 30USD annually for the account, and they send you a credit card wich you use to get your money at an ATM, and they charge 3.15USD per transaction. You can also use the credit card to buy stuff directly or internet, instead of withdrawing the money.

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As I see it, moving money internationally has its costs, and you have to look not only for price but also for accessibility and reliability.

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@dearezkitha | 4yr

Hi @chelocoach, Do Payoneer has any limit transaction. I found this very annoying from Paypal that like to froze the account if you received big amount of money. And can people send money to your Payoneer account?

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@chelocoach | 4yr

Hi @dea_rezkitha I think itโ€™s only payments, not for sending money.
Once I got my transfer frozen until I sent the proper documentation, and then they released the money after some days. This may happen if you get an unusual payment. They will ask you what they should expect about the payments you receive and you should have no problems if the payments are congruent to that.
Iโ€™m not clear about the money limits, I have a few thousands US (less than 4k) on this platform and no problem by now.

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@tkrunning | 4yr

As mentioned, Transferwise is pretty great (0.5%). You should also look into Revolut, especially if you mostly have income in EUR, GBP and USD (near 0% for wide range of currencies, but payments tend to be slower than TW).

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@storm | 4yr

Can you use Revolut to receive payments from clients? Iโ€™ve been topping it up with my Payoneer, but Iโ€™m getting hit with transfer fees because Payoneer acts as a credit card. Still better than withdrawing direct from Payoneer and getting hit with their conversion rate.

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@tkrunning | 4yr

Not really. But you shouldnโ€™t be hit with CC fees when topping up Revolut with the Payoneer card, as itโ€™s a prepaid or debit card. Have you tried contacting Revolut support? Apparently they might classify cards incorrectly sometimes, but they have the power to manually override it if they have made a mistake. But note that if youโ€™re topping up with USD youโ€™ll get fees anyway, but those arenโ€™t CC fees.

I personally use Leupay to receive money from clients (mostly in EUR), and then add it to Revolut from there.

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@ifdattic | 4yr

You could look into Transferwise, I personally use it for clients to pay my invoices. The payments are relatively quick, with notifications, and fees are relatively small. The only issue (as youโ€™re traveling probably less of an issue) is that the conversion has to happen, so you need to send in one currency, and receive in a different currency.

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So I head to Barcelona in a week for the next 4. I am reading some stuff online. I want to wing it and ask around when I get to Barce. But what I see online I may just spend the open three weeks I have in the Canary islands. The year round surfing and reasonable cost of living sounds great especially spending the first three months of 2018 on the beaches in Central America.

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by @mainlydana | 6yr 6 years ago | 4 comments

Hi, all

Forgive me, as am not one for brevity. Like so many, Iโ€™ve been thinking a lot about being a digital nomad, and find myself in a good position to go for it (better position than most who are considering it, I think), but am still not sureโ€ฆ how/where to start.

Background: In July 2013 I left my home country for long-term travel for the first time. I found out, though I was already 35 at the time, that I was still eligible for a working holiday visa for a handful of countries. I was accepted to New Zealand. So, I quit my job, gave up my apartment, sold or gave away what I could, and have some stuff stored with family. I spent three months in SE Asia then 13 months in New Zealand. Though my background is communications, in NZ I worked in tourism/hospitality which was a fun and refreshingโ€”if low-payingโ€”change of scenery.

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Not content to watch my nest egg slowly drain, Iโ€™ve been looking into some freelance work on the side, mostly in writing which seems to be the most common freelance work available based on my background/experience. I also thought now would be an ideal testing ground for freelance work due to my savings plus low overhead

My NGO gig ends in June and Iโ€™d love to stay in Cambodia longer, but not overly keen on the 9-to-5 and would love an alternative (either as a telecommuting employee, freelancing, or a mix of both). Even though I made the hardest choice in 2013 with quitting my job and all that and Iโ€™m now based somewhere where I can live off a low income for awhile, I donโ€™t know how or where to start.

Due to the โ€œsabbaticalโ€ (ie. travel then time in NZ) and in my last few jobs not doing much writing outside of social media content, my writing portfolio is quite dated, which is not helping prove my writing abilities. Also, being in-house so long, I donโ€™t have many contacts that could become potential clients. I actually prefer editing, but the consensus out there seems to be that if the writing is good, then an editor is not needed so thereโ€™s less editing work as far as I can tell.

Oh, I should add my comms experience has been in the not-for-profit sector predominantly, so no experience writing marketing- or sales-type copy designed to sell products or services (though certainly willing to try). And one last thing: Iโ€™m not an overly confident person, so selling myself does not come easy which is certainly not helping in trying to get work. Some days I feel defeated and that this concept of being a digital nomad is just not attainable for someone like me.

If you read all that, thanks! Tips / advice / suggestions / thoughts / slap upside the head? :wink:

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