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Hihi, not so silent majority here that is happy that this slack isn't filled with people posting links and jobs and personal projects because I find it all super self aggrandizing for the most part
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I'm in enough travel groups where every other comment/thread/response is "oh here's a link to my blog post about that subject!" no bitch just share the information being asked for instead of trying to get hits
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yeah exactly
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it almost killed this Slack too
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ppl don't remember how bad it was
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i'd rather have a few people angry that they can't post their links than a community that's killed itself with spam
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communication here should be non-commercial by default
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that's the basic really
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then we can have exceptions where it's useful
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i like gigs as exceptions, but then we need to define properly what a gig is etc.
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p.s. ppl don't realize we haven't banned ppl in ages, only thing that happens now is bot just deletes a msg if it finds it spammy
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i agree we shouldn't mod too much, but ppl don't realize the amount of moderation already happening, bots remove 10-20 messages per day to keep it clean here
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dcuknppt suggests this distinction:

*Jobs* = a long term job/contract that is being posted on job boards (should go on remoteok)
*Gigs* = a freelance short term project or contract that is not actively being posted on job boards
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suggested title for channel

now Discuss jobs and post if you're available for work. NO company job posts here please, post them on ๐Ÿ‘‰ remoteok.io/ and support the site financially

new Discuss jobs, post if you're available for work and post freelance gigs. No long-term contract jobs here please, post them on ๐Ÿ‘‰ remoteok.io
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alubwfspmsaepci but not ALL jobs are remote - what if someone knows a company that is hiring in certain area? It does not fit into remoteok. And if it's not my company but a friend's place, there is no way I'll pay to advertise someone's job. But it could help the community.
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sorry then it's probably not for here
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this community is for remote work and traveling remote workers
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have to draw the line somewhere
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๐Ÿ†• Discuss jobs, post if you're available for work and post remote freelance gigs. No long-term contract jobs here please, post them on ๐Ÿ‘‰ remoteok.io
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okay, fair enough. still doesn't address the "network" effect.
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dthosvusodmwcjyw if it's not remote why would it be viable for this slack?
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there are jobs that are partly remote, or maybe-remote, or maybe a short gig in an area where someone happens to be right now. But I'll step back on this one, and at least "remote-in-my-network".
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sure thanks
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As someone who can't posts links, I'm new and wasn't around the see the spam hell. While I'd like to post links occasionally, it's a completely acceptable trade-off in my mind. I really appreciate that there is little to no spam that I see, ever. That would be a nightmare, and I would definitely leave. I hear the other side, that a lot of people here freelance and develop cool things that might interest people, but there is also the argument that pretty much anything someone creates they're going to think it's super cool and wants to share it with their community. I probably *won't* share their view. I have a backpack, I don't need 14 more (as an example). All that being said, I do kind of agree with fcydkptpqmkpzmcu that there should be a place for, yes, short-term remote-only "gigs", one-offs, where people can say "hey I'm building out a new whatever and need a drupal engineer for 6 months." Just my 2 cents
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Essentially, yes I vote for *new" since it seems to keep both sides happy
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xzgygfgm thanks, yep i think we all agree on that, short remote gigs should be allowed
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not company/corporate/commercial full time jobs though
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still think this hurts the community. most jobs are found via word of mouth. if i hear about a job in my network, i'm sure as shit not paying to post it and i'm in no position to tell them to post it. so now the community loses out because i'm not allowed to tell people about the opportunity.
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I think it's going to add almost no revenue to remoteok and only hurt the community.
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it's hard to understand if you're posting to be helpful to the community or to fill in a position in your company
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though I'd prefer the filter to be the other way, if in doubt - believe people
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I've seen people post "my company is hiring, it's great" posts but they're generally employees, not owners. most company owners i've seen posting on here tend more towards gigs than full time jobs.
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kylxedwiliyhykt Sorry if I sound like a broken record, but... my most recent trip (today Montreal -> Toronto) did not show up in roll-call.... (but it updated my status text in this slack, so there must have been some activity around this).
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Interesting, I am not sure if this should have been blocked, wrote about productivity on my blog (no ads etc) and I shared that in the productivity channel because I wanted to know others way/opinion ๐Ÿค”
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but I will keep this in mind, not sure if this was a bot error or intended, so raised :)
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You posted a link that you have an association with in chat that wasn't related to the existing discussion. That would be classified as self promotion.
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๐Ÿ‘‰ #_show-and-tell
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testing
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Is there a way to add countries without having specific dates?
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Just curious, why is the time to edit your post so short? I feel like it's set to 60 seconds, maybe even less? I couldn't even fix typos in a post earlier before timer expired. If there's a legit reason for it, cool, curious what it is. Otherwise, can you extend it to 10 minutes or something more sane?
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60 seconds
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owtukwjlytsx yep, annoying but it's because ppl were abusing it to post messages and then change them to "." later
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so then we had chat channels full of "."
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zgpmpdfnsbsj haha wtf, lemme fix
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udpbwucbgbpi is now in Lisbon for 1 month and will then leave for Cologne for 5 days. Before arriving in Lisbon, apnuijpkrchy was in Cologne for 18 days.
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weird i didn't change anything
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but says 5 days
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i think it was cached and you had it set to 8 days before because i didn't change the code
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jysdaprqe yes on my todo list! patience please ๐Ÿ˜„
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my todo list is 100 items spread over 5 different websites/apps/projects and i also have a personal life, so i'll get to everything in time, but the fatal bugs that break site are first to fix
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I mean the personal life sounds like an extravagance when there's nomad travel plans that need displayin'
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Hm funny, why do you calculate start - end? To get the duration, wouldn't that be end - start? ๐Ÿค” Also, why do you add time()? Is that the current time? But you want to display the duration?
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fagekehdpnwumfp you're right, it was cached by Facebook.
Btw, it's possible to update Facebook's cache, e.g. after trip updates developers.facebook.com/docs/sharing/opengraph/using-objects/#update
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fufnfgybfhef i don't fuck with Facebook because Fuck Facebook
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fnfhuwwhk but it works! ๐Ÿ˜„
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Oh... I didn't realize it works ๐Ÿ˜น (there was a bug report, no?)
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gxnbzcsey bug was Facebook caching it ๐Ÿ˜„
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Well then :)
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Hello Guys. got a message deleted on the #mexico channel I don't know why
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Weird, can you cut and paste the message here?
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Also, did you check the message fits with the community guidelines? ie was it self promotion, soliciting advice about your product/service, advertising etc?
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well I can't copy/past because it disappear. It is for a free workshop I'm organizing in Mexico so yes it might sounds like a self promotion
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but the idea was really to meet with the people on this channel if we had any interested in common around this workshop
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Ah, self promotion is not allowed. Please refrain from posting that content in this community.
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but what should I do if I want to organize something to meet the people physically?
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I mean it is some kind of meet-up
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you see what I mean?
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Is it related to a product/service you have an association with? It's not allowed. If it's a meet-up so you can meet new people in the area, that's fine.
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well It is not related to a service, I didn't share any links.
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Link sharing isn't the only determination of self promotion. Did you mention this is in relation to anything that breaches the guidelines?
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You said it's for a workshop. That sounds to me that it is a service.
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well it is a workshop in a way that I'd like to have people participating. It not just me giving a master class. The idea is to bring people from a analytics community in Mexico
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with a recurring meeting
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so there will be mexican practitioner but I though that it would be nice to have people from nomad list too
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Then it's not a general meet-up.
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well no because it is for analytics people
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it is a meet-up with a specific theme
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does it make it a service?
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You'll need to clarify as stating it is a workshop complicates the issue. If it's a meet-up for people related to a specific subject matter, that's fine. If it's run in a manner where there are presentations or in conjunction with a product or a service, it's promotional in nature
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just trying to gather some people with common interest in mexico
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no not at all
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there is no service presentation
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on the contrary the idea is that everyone bring the challenges and issues they are facing and we can solve them together
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Then it would be best to post again and word it that you want to meet up with people who are interested in that interest. It's likely that the original post looked like there was commercial interest.
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so it will be totally vendor free
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ok thznks
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will try that
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As soon as there is any suggestion that there is an ulterior motive, people will lodge complaints. There have been promotion disguised as meetups in this community many times before.
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ok thanks just posted my message
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will see how it goes
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Greetings Nomad List! I just signed up for a lifetime account here and I'm looking forward to being part of the community.

One small issue, my profile is on Slack and the site is nomadlist.com/@doug but on the discourse forum it's dtqctqiyce />
Seems that the discourse has a different user under ouemrc who has only logged in once about 4 years ago.

Can someone help to change my forum username to match the rest?
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ddwxbsxxss fixed i think, can you go to nomadlist.com/forum/login now
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Looks good on my end, many thanks ddpipzpviqrspwb />
Hope to share some excellent Korean food with you should our paths cross in Seoul or Busan :)
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sure!! in Seoul now
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I know, I saw that! I'm really enjoying this trip tracking tool. It's something I've wanted to do for a long time but I never really organized it outside of my personal calendar. I love the way it's setup here and how you can see both when other people have been to the same place and at the same time in a simple way. I'm in Thailand at the moment and headed west to Turkey in a few days but my meals in Seoul earlier this year are still on my mindโ€ฆ I'm sure we'll cross paths somewhere!
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nnylhnxmtgydrkt my trips are still not showing up in #__roll-call
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yvqilyczer i'm rewriting the trips poster now, see testing in #_____beta_beta_beta_ ๐Ÿ˜„
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xolcztjnbk ehygqulhp made an entirely new script to post trips to Slack, it runs daily so will soon see again if it works or not
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I don't see my trip in there yet. Should I expect to?
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your current trip was 31 Aug, and it's 3 Sep
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it only posts on the day of departure
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So I should check again on Sept 15, the day off my next trip?
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yesss
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if there's a new trip it shd post that
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Aiiight
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Maybe not a support question. But finally talked my business partner into getting on Nomadlist for lifetime access. He told me the price has increased recently. Anyway he could jump on the the $99/lifetime deal?
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fuhysarqnkuzag it changes regularly, so keep checking back i'd suggest
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i change it depending on demand
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low demand i lower it, high demand i increase
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kylvgpcwjjupimi noted! Cool way to move around pricing, thanks boss.
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sure!!
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sweet times long ago when it was 49 ^_^
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I bought mine so long ago I have no memory of how much it was
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Hello! Been enjoying the site but is it normal that I need to log in for each new visit, even from the same browser window? It's a bit tedious to need to click an email link for each visit. I've tried connecting slack which makes it a little easier but it still requires a sign in each time. My ideal setup would be to stay signed in until I log out. Is this just how it works or is there something causing me to get logged out automatically on my end?
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osbccq nope, not normal, I'll debug what browser/OS do you use?
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It's logged me out across Chrome and Safari on mobile and desktop.
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czeksddzlj very odd, do u login with Email link?
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etejsqpehdv haha yes and first few months it was $1!
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xzaexmrzkneknpc I've used the email link most of the time but now I use Slack to login each time because I don't need to leave the browser
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ah nice, will check now, probably i'm setting the cookie wrong
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just tested with Slack login, this cookie set ^
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and this with Twitter login, this cookie set ^
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is it possible you have some privacy extension set up?
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cookie expiry is set for 1 year, so you should stay signed in for then
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Use slack to login?
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Is that a thing now?
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yesss
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if account is connected it logs you in if u click SLACK
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Nice ๐Ÿ‘
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thx ๐Ÿ˜„
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I didn't sign in with twitter so could that cookie be conflicting? I haven't been able to stay signed in on any device out of a macbook pro, macbook air, ipad and phone, so I don't think it's a security plugin.
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Feature idea ๐Ÿ’ก reply to forum posts that show up in general chan by starting a thread.. bot could detect thread and write the replies in thread to the forum
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sounds extremely difficult to build
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yeah i guess the thread would be under the dtsvohrfufn bot, maybe need a table w/ the thread id and the slack message timestamp (unless slack has ids for messages) in order to keep track of it.. yeah not easy
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yeah i can post as users now cause i have the slack tokens when ppl connect their slack
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but yeah difficult
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lemme see the discourse api
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seems impossible for now to post as another user
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oh you mean posting from forum to slack ?
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no from Slack to foru
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m*
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ah
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if reply in slack i need to post it on forum then
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but discourse doesn't allow that yet i think
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problem is also chat messages sometimes very different in nature than forum like
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Nomad ListAPP [5:31 PM]
@UMME2GUCE "How is Bansko, Bulgaria?"

nomadlist.com/forum/t/how-is-bansko-bulgaria/10967


foucistflag-vn [5:53 PM]
Some folks were in bansko, sounded nice.. good food
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"Some folks were in bansko, sounded nice.. good food"

this would be terrible forum reply
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haha true
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but good for chat
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i might've made more effort if i knew it was going to forum though
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but yeah
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maybe not
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what do you mean?
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hoodmaps isnt showing data sometimes
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vspbhqucj thanks, what city and what steps did you take to get there?
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typed in barcelona
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its happening for london too on my device
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just did refresh and it works
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aah so only if u move via search?
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dont put any search input in
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it does it for new york
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but if i add /barcelona or any other city and hit enter it loads fine
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checking now...
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ah found it
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evented.js:136 Error Source "neighborhoods" cannot be removed while layer "neighborhoods-line-hover" is using it.
at i.removeSource (style.js:532)
at r.removeSource (map.js:1124)
at loadNeighborhoodsGeoJSON (index.min.js?
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forgot to remove one layer when moving map, deploying fix now
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fixed now
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html will have to recache
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but from index.php works immediately now
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ssxjqpqjv also importing smaller districts for barcelona now so it'll get more detailed
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yep working now ๐Ÿ‘
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yayyy
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Hi! Is there any way to reset my credentials and cookies so I don't have to login every time?
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Is there any way to suggest changes to location guides? The taxi app recommended in Basko doesn't cover the area.
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that's strange as this is exactly what I'm doing... as long as you have admin access in discourse, you can generate token for any user, and this token can be used to send a post as that user.
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and then the usual POST to `/posts.json` using Api-Username and Api-Key that you just generated for headers.
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nfuwzceakdpzn yep, just click the taxi box and it should open a modal to submit a new link
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then we can debug it next time you're logged out
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you're the only one that has this issue right now reported, and I can't reproduce it, so only thing we can do is debug it together when it happens
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njieyrmytm i added some code now that messages me if a user who was logged in gets auto logged out, with debug info, so i'll see if it happens and then can debug more
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Cool. I'll try this when I'm back on keys. On the road right now. One thought, can you delete or remove the twitter credential? I'm wondering if that could be an issue somehow since I don't use it.
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yes i could remove it, but i think that's not it, i use a key i save as a cookie, that key is also saved in user db, then if they match, i log the user in
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like here
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so someone just logged in automatically ^ as it should work
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it works for 99% of ppl so need to figure out why it's not working for you, but since it doesn't work on any of your devices, it's probably something with your user account on nomadlist like a weird bug
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I saw that but I haven't found a good taxi app here. The one that's linked is amazing in Sofia but doesn't support Bansko.
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ah yes it uses country data if no city data avail
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Dude, WTF? uugdgffogyorpie
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I'm a paying member of your site and have been for years. I've been on the slack team since 2017. I bought your book (and loved it, btw; I tell everyone about it). I'm also a member of remoteok. I follow you on social media, I've shared your videos from business building to bag packing. I'm in no way a spammer. I'm as legitimate a member of this community as anyone in dollars, time, actions, lifestyle, beliefs, and contribution.
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And yet jlpkfulzpnu keeps deleting my posts in #argentina . All I wanted to do was post one link with one sentance, but my stuff kept disappearing, so I tried different things. Now your bot is threatening me as a spammer and saying I'm going to be silenced. It's too much. You have to tighten that thing up, and probably eliminate it for now. It's way too heavy handed and also straight up incorrect.
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The link I tried to post was a current news article from a mainstream news source (Clarรญn, top 2 or 3 in Argentina) about Argentina in #argentina where I live. Where is the abuse in that? I'm not new and I'm not inactive. I'm not in here every day, but I pop in from time to time asking or answering questions, etc, totally legitimate community participation since 2017. That bot has got to go.
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Also its message about where to report issues is also broken with a dead link that I assume was supposed to lead here. Your less slack savvy customers might be having similar trouble and not reporting it.
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I've created a slack bot or two, so let me know if you'd like me to take a look at something. Meanwhile please fix the status of my account so I can resume the normal use of this service that I've paid kind of a lot of money for.
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qvkcbdvqgbjocg it's not a bug, it's by design to avoid spam links, and I'm not going to discuss it either
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the warning was by a human mod btw, not the bot
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or at least initiated by a human and sent by the bot
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I'm heartbroken that this is the position of someone I held in such high esteem.
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It was done my me. You purposely bypassed the bots warning. The guidelines are quite clear
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you were last active 2019-06-19, and posted a link 2019-09-06, so that's 2 months of inactivity in between
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that means the bot sees it as drive-by link spam
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It was probably reported after I tried to get clever and get around the bot. That probably looked shady. My initial post was 100% legit. Anything after was me just trying to do what should have been allowed in the first place.
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doubling down on thinking you're right is a *great* way to bring people over to your side ๐Ÿ™„
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yeah it'd help if ppl are nice when they report something
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and again it's not a bug and we're not going to change it
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Bypassing he bot is against the guidelines. Boasting about it is making it worse.
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See item 8 in the guidelines.
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There is no negotiation with this.
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The bot is bogus to begin with. If the bot hadn't involved itself there would be no problem.
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๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚
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"I don't like your rules so you're wrong"
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The bot is there to prevent spam and abuse, right? This isn't neither. Your system is flawed.
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fzxgwspdgzbhzw if you post more, you become more active so there's higher odds your links aren't removed
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> That bot has got to go.

tbh you just sound like a dick
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Please be nice
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there's no way i can spend my time categorizing manually what links are from a news site or not, it's not what I enjoy doing
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xvdioqpbueusja check your PM
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That's legit, eirdnwlyfgibijc maybe 2 months is too narrow a window.
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I retract my recommendations from a couple weeks ago, since clearly none of those would have been effective at stopping this...
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I get it now
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pdrzvoigfdz what were you recommendations again?
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It's either a bot, which does amazing with the anti-spam measures or Nomad List hires more people to micro manage a system that already is being dealt with effectively bar a substantially small percentage of issues.
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imcswyezrzxavzt I can't recall exactly, but I think some of them were bot-driven quiz on the rules before posting links, explicit confirmation to the bot on the rules before posting at all, etc
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Regardless, the issue is that you broke the guidelines. If you want to be part of this community, please respect all members by following the same code of conduct that they follow.
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bless ^
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Or relax the constraint on the posting frequency. Listen, your system is giving false positives, you live your life how you want to. As personal admirer of wlogwgcyvyztlnq and a paying customer, I find this whole experience and response extremely disappointing. I gotta run.
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If you aren't willing to do so, you are welcome to leave. The anti-spam discussion has been beaten to death already. The current system is immensely better than what we had. If you have improvements that haven't been tried before, please suggest them.
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ocsztswiavzeko i appreciate you like my work, but i'm just trying to keep this Slack spam free
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The system recently was strengthened because it let too many people through.
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I'm not trying to double down on violating the guidelines. I'm explaining how we arrived at that. I have no great need to violate the guidelines. That's not my point. I just want to post a link to a group that I pay to be in. The rest is noise.
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Thanks for keeping the community spam free
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You can't. Contribute to the community like everyone else and eventually you'll be allowed the exception. That's all we ask.
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I do. Just not at the frequency you prefer, which I think is bogus, but do you. Also by the way, contributing is exactly what you're preventing me from doing.
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Discourse forum has it by default built-in
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I keep getting this message even after following instructions
Hi juvklolrraonxum />
Please connect your Slack account to continue posting on here by clicking the link below.

Make sure you're signed in into the Nomad List Slack team in your browser. To select it on the authorization screen, go to the top right dropdown, click Nomad List or click 'Sign in to another workspace' and sign in to Nomad List's Slack.

point_right nomadlist.com/userApi.php?action=connect_your_slack

You'll be able to immediately start posting on here again once it's connected!

Thanks!

Nomad Bot

P.S. I'm just a humble bot, please don't reply to me as I'm shy and won't reply. If you think this message is a bug, please go to <@C038YEF6G|#__support> to report it.
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uesufrjffst what do you see when you click the link?
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oprdsgxdqt i think i found the sign out bug, when signing in with Slack it'd sometimes clear the old login cookie, fixed now
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I just cleared cookies, reset password and I'm set now dmewpvytzpzspju
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HMMMMmmm
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reset password where?
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Slack?
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so it works now?
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kpjxkuteauxgsnd that seems to have fixed the issue on my end, i'm able to stay logged in now. thanks!
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Most of those links don't work.
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I'm on iPhone if that matters.
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ah yes, known bug, will make those non clickable
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oh nice, maybe i can try that thanks
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Hi, I just keep getting this error over and over again despite the fact that I am logged in to NomadList and the Browser Version of Slack. Any thoughts?
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Nevermind. Resolved! This was rather confusing to figure out though.
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Funny footer ๐Ÿ˜œ
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oopss
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kfvuglejsjmxat how can i make it easier?
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vwkhdtysukkrzab - I think a link to a landing page with a support article showing screen shots would help. When I clicked the link, there were so many things on the screen that I didn't even see the "Connect to slack" button or whatever I was supposed to click.
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So either support article, or a link that takes you to a page with only one option as it was confusing to land on the NomadList page and then trying to find the correct button amidst all of the options. I was surfing through the menus and navigation looking for what the text laid out.
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bnockbgebpgpvm what page did you see when you clicked the link? the login page of Nomad List or the Slack?
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and thx for tips
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It took me here, but some how I ended up on the home page of NomadList at some point with a connect to slack button in the middle of the page. Not quite sure how but I think I got an error when trying to use my email. I can't quite remember the exact path but I ended up on the NomadList website at some point.
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dfehbmhgjmbvbrw Another NL suggestion. On the website, you can add profiles what you're looking for. Maybe a "family friendly" or along the lines of that, to flag that the account is a nomad(s) with children and family
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I think nomads with children should meet up and chat more, they have a completely other layer of complexity added to their lives
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hfrfaiirblgffa ah yes i think i know the issue, the problem is:
1) user needs to connect Slack, so they follow the link
2) they're not logged in to the website, so it sends them to the login page
3) then they leave that page, then they click login somewhere else
4) they see a login with Slack button on the site
5) but since they haven't connected their Slack account yet, they can't use that
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so what I did was hide the login with Slack button if they arrive through the Connect to Slack link from the bot
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but obvi that's not enough because you skipped that page and went to the login page somewhere else
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crlsyxjdfsnnvu nice will add this now
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yzuxbqvwcjwvoc maybe:

Mother
Father
Have a family
Travel with family
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or maybe Parent instead of motehr father
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then u can match on that
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added PARENT now as an option on everyone's profile
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back up!
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Is there a way to enter a home base for your trips ?
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I need to put NYC in between all of these
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+1; would be nice
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Actually that's not even all my trips yet ๐Ÿ˜‚
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not a bad idea, but maybe useless for people that have changed their homebase a few times
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sfqsjrpjild the link bot sometimes purges my links other times doesn't. Which is frustrating. Can you shine some light on the rules it operates by? The posting rule was slid back to 6 months, but what else?
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if(user not messaged in any public channel in last 180 days until 24 hours ago OR if user signed up less than 180 days ago) remove message with URL
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what did you post?
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fzukbbqf if(user not messaged in any public channel in last 30 days until 24 hours ago OR if user signed up less than 180 days ago) remove message with URL
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so if a person who's been active TODAY, sends a message with a URL, but they haven't been active in the last 30 days except TODAY, it's removed
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and if a person's account is younger than 180 days they're not allowed URLs full stop
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Weird. I'd successfully posted a link to politics about a week ago. And today posting a link was botted. Both were YouTube videos
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I'd say wait a bit longer since your account is almost 6 months old I think
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which is the cut off point
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yep - just weird the rule applies only sometimes /shrug
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gtrecasodvvjkct Sounds like you need to do some logging when a link is removed, and verification. Might be a bug
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ayomaulqgatwfilfyq when was this?
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can you try posting a link now, then i can debug
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Almost all PH links posted here have been self promotion. I'm not surprised if it is a blanket ban. Just post the actual URL.
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ah yes that's it, no PH links allowed anywhere for nobody
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Can anyone tell me what's wrong with my message. I removed the link, still got me a warning.
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Looks like self promotion to me
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Wihtout a link?
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Self promotion isn't just about posting a link.
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Your post has nothing to do with the existing conversation and by mentioning that you're purposely not posting a link, you're admitting to bypassing the anti-spam bots.
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There's a link in that message to the community guidelines, best be having a read of that first.
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I went to eat a pizza at this x place. I streamed from this location feeling sick and with crap internet. How do you differentiate in both or both of them are self promotions? I am new here.
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You posted a link before. It was deleted. The post was clearly designed to bring people to your link. You then posted the exact same text, omitting the link and made specific working to say you have a link but aren't posting it due to the bots, therefore suggesting people ask you for the link if they want to know more about what you said.
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If your comments were related to existing conversation, it may have been okay, depending on the conversation.
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Okay. Got it.
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In your example, if you had said you had eaten pizza at a place and streamed it without making mention of the link, nor gave any suggestion that you wanted promote the link via purposely omitting it, it would have been fine.
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xrsoqczlner what do you see?
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screenshot helps!
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I suggest to add noise pollution data to Nomad List.
Canggu is really noisy, as are many parts of Lisbon.
Noise is not just annoying but disrupts sleep.
And that has severe negative affect in health.
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jkdrwbftudmr do you think there's any measurements of that?
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that's kind of an interesting issue.. vietnam has loads of honking, mexico is crazy noisy too, etc
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i guess it could be user reported though
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cpmpiofzn I don't know about Canggu, but in EU there is the Environmental Noise Directive which afaik forces cities to provide noise information.

Here you can look up noise per street in Cologne, Germany for example:
www.stadt-koeln.de/leben-in-koeln/umwelt-tiere/laerm/laermpegelsuche

It's likely that there is no official data on that in SEA so user-reported would be a great start.
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cmqdtfoesukg already got it and it's used for scoring, try Sort By NOISE POLLUTION
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Average decibel levels, I have data on country level
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Indonesia etc is indeed quite loud
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Vietnam and India too
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Depends a lot if you're close to the street though, and which area, in Canggu I've had peaceful quiet a little away from the street in Berawa and has noise hell in Echo Beach
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hoodmaps.com/canggu helps a bit with that potentially
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No network of decibel sensors yet worldwide like air pollution sensors
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Re sleep, I sleep with ear plugs and eye mask for years ๐Ÿ˜‚
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eye mask doesn't fall off?
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Nope, I tried a few diff ones
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I bought a box of these
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ah i meant the eye mask, because i sleep on my stomach, i think it'd be hard for it to stay on
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These fit best
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Yeah sry I mean the ear plugs most important
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Yeah then no eye mask maybe
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I try to get places with black out curtains
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Pitch black room
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I sticker all the LED lights in room
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And 18'C with thick sheets
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Perfect sleep ^___^
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i got a fitbit for christmas and it's shocking how little sleep i get, definitely need to do the complete black out + cold
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Yes totally I think very common
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I remember noticing significant differences in my IQ just from getting a full 9 hours of sleep back in university or only 8 hours.. nowadays i regularly only get 6.5-7 hours
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There is real issues now with:
- noise pollution (cars, police etc)
- light pollution (never dark at night)
- caffeine intake
- stress, anxiety etc
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So ear plugs for first, eye mask/black out curtains for second
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Caffine can be reduced
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No wonder ppl have difficulty sleeping
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9 hours of sleep = the ultimate nootropic drug
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diet/carbs also perhaps
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i find too much carbs = wake up in middle of night
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or any sort of food sensitivity
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Yes exercise + good sleep + good nutrition is the best prevention for future disease I think
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my wife wants the room at 26C for sleep
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Haha yes serious challenge, I think women feel colder than men usually due to bio differences
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Separate sleeping is amazing for both people's sleep
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But culturally frowned upon
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kkxbjtzjelkuilcnt do you have a fan pointed at you?
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a bit of targeted air that hits only you could help
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yes I do
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Separate sheets also helps
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yeah we do seperate sheets and blankets
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otherwise she's freezing or i'm melting, heh
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who's frowning on sleeping apart? The US upper classes used to do this as a matter of course, seems more about financial constraints than anything
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(sharing a bed, that is, unless everyone really enjoys that. I don't, personally)
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this is #__support lol, belongs elsewhere
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Maybe lets move to #_relationships
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:D
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Thanks! It would be great to have the same info in the details page of each city.
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cehjrthhttsrjjj the site has Canggu as 240 aqi/toxic, that can't be right, or is something going on there?
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zmvwsboeub look up Indonesian forest fires
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Particles coming all over Bali and all the way to Singapore and Malaysia
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Oh damn! Makes sense now!
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jubgwbqnynwbngfbz do you think 26C is too hot or too cold
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cdnwfekaob worst air pollution is the one you cannot see or smell, they're micro particles
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those particles get stuck in your lungs and can cause cancer later
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Yeah I can imagine!
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Does that not affect the ranking though? Still #1 on the site, but mega toxic....?
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The dirty exhaust in front of you isn't as bad because you can see it and it's mostly big particles but also not great
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Yep but score is lots of factors so one bad factor doesn't necessarily shut it down if the other factors are extremely good like Canggu
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imagine a one ton dust particle landing on your lung
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You can filter on clear air btw to filter those places out
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kbkvrkvmokqx way too hot for sleeping
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๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚ ๐Ÿ˜‚
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26 is too cold for mefo
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Depends on the blanket no?
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You probably didn't keep your room above 22c in New York winters
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I definitely did
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I cranked up the heat
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and had a down comforter
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it was very wasteful, I'm sure
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I can do 26 if I have literally no blanket, and a large fan pointed straight at me
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I can do 26 if I lie in an ice bath thanks
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y'all crazy
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in 26 I need pajamas
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and an actual blanket
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as opposed to my uzh naked + sheet
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I sleep easier in -20C than in anything above 24C
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๐Ÿ˜ฑ
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(could also be the low oxygen though :joy:)
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I would need about 4 polar bears to cuddle with
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that can be arranged
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mom and three cubs
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I hear they're looking for new habitats
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xafagkrwghz Ahem. Roll-Call has had no mentions for 11 days. Are you still rewriting the script? ๐Ÿ˜น
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๐Ÿ˜‚ this script is legendary by now
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It will finally work around 2025
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tuklyxuzj runinng again now
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eckittsznuislog set the channel topic Change photo, bio, username, get an invoice, update card or cancel ๐Ÿ‘‰ nomadlist.com/settings
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uozwkbhsnjjjovj set the channel topic Change photo, bio, username, get an invoice, cancel ๐Ÿ‘‰ nomadlist.com/settings
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I should probably accept by now that the script just doesn't work ๐Ÿ˜‰ (E.g. there is an arrival listed in the taiwan channel that does not show up in roll-call...) (Also the script did not run any more since you ran it yesterday, it seems.)
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And I guess I should just not be more interested in this than you yourself are ๐Ÿ˜น
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Heh
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Magic
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Did I trigger this? ๐Ÿ˜น
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urxfyastg I am interested to fix it, that's why I rewrote the entire script, it helps to be nice :)
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i'm putting lot of attention into a bug that affects one person, which I think is pretty nice too
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the bug isn't in the script because I rewrote it, so it's somewhere else, and I hope to find it at some point
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OK fair enough :)
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the easiest way to make me stop putting effort into this is not being nice
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Do you think my bug reports are not nice?
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yeah ```And I guess I should just not be more interested in this than you yourself are :joy_cat:```
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this doesn't rly sound nice
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anyway let me investigate
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hm ok sorry. I was just thinking that if you rewrote the script but then did not react to the script not running for several days, that you might not be that interested in it in the end...
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Also, the bug does not really affect me, it's more scientific curiosity ๐Ÿ˜‰
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thank you! nooo i am, i just don't have 100% resources towards one bug
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to get an idea what I do every day wip.chat/products/26
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so generally,
1) fatal bugs that affect everyone get fixed immediately
2) fatal bugs that affect few people get fixed fast
2) non-fatal bugs that affect everyone get fixed soon
2) non-fatal bugs that affect few people get fixed eventually
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that's the limitation if you don't raise venture capital and hire a 100 people team but do things yourself
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Interesting, thanks for the insight!
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thanks for understanding :)
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mrqlyfola can you show me the Taiwan arrival that you see in Roll Call but not in the Taiwan channel?
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No the other way around, it's in the taiwan channel but not in roll-call
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From your yesterday's script run
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It's affecting me too!
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๐Ÿ˜„
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test
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Hi, not able to remove Ubud flag from my name and add trips properly... any help on that please?
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shit we're losing messages
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but that's gotta really pollute your ticketing system with random junk messages like this one, no?
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