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hsqepegvifrifr try finding SWISS WATER decaf, it's the only one that's not filled with toxic chemicals
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Most decaf uses industrial cleaner methylsomething to remove the caffeine, it's pretty toxic in itself, FDA says not toxic at the level it's in decaf but I don't trust that
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toxic chemicals?? 🤪
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now the decaf is going to give me anxiety 😂
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Cuz the previous stuff they used in 70s turned out to be cancerous later
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qwfatsnsaz yes, SWISS WATER is a decaf technique that uses only water to remove caffeine
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To be fair they all taste shit
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Haha
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I mostly just do 1 cup of regular coffee now and drink other stuff after
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Yeah, that's what I'm doing atm. Decaf never tastes that good anyway
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I find it a bit suspect that people think decaf doesn’t taste as good, I think it depends where you get it? When I’m in Canada Starbucks and Tim Horton’s have good decaf, I seriously doubt people can really tell the difference
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I think the main difference is that decaf probably ends up tasting like slightly watered down regular coffee
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Depending on who makes it
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Perhaps need to make decaf with 10-15% extra beans to get the same taste
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Decaf doesn’t get you jacked up on caffeine that’s why people say it doesn’t taste as good
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Doesnt hit the them dopamine receptors like the good stuff
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I think our definitions of good coffee might differ. When I say decaf isn't that good, I mean it tastes like Starbucks 😛
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esysaqsxet ehh, i'm ignoring the intricacies of the "perfect pull" and the bitterness of poorly made coffee
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true coffee geeks know that a light to medium roast with the perfect pull, not too tamped, with the water at just below the temperature that burns it, results in a slightly sweet, non bitter taste with complex notes..
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but whatever 😛
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99% coffee is burnt and bitter and dark roast, and everyone swills that stuff
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mvvqmvoeik do you consider ristr8to to be good btw? recently had some nice americanos from ember cafe on nimman vs a very burnt/bitter one at ristr8to, bit surprising
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I walked past a few times last time I was in CM, but l don't think I've actually ever been in there
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usually i add water to coffee if it's bitter.. i'm not really a coffee connoisseur at all, rarely drink coffee
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I heart coffee
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I got the impression ristr8o was more for coffee concoctions than straight-up brewed coffee, no?
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Like Graph?
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jboergevevn yeah, latte art
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for sure…i think it’s remarkable for the experience it provides, not necessarily the coffee it serves…if that makes sense
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but I mean maybe I’m biased…that’s where my gf and I had our first date 😍
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my sister in law is a pretty big coffee fan and very much prefers Ristr8o when in CM. I’ve been trying her black coffees to try and understand the difference and it definitely seems to at least be made better. The process of brewing the coffee seems to be a major factor in taste. You could get great coffee and shit coffee from the same place depending on which barista you get that day
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ojvuuudcq I've tried like maybe 6 different decaf brands, they all don't have the same taste as real coffee to me, not about caffeine for me
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And yes I don't like the taste of Starbucks either
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qwkinlesvd like instant or beans that you grind?
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My normal coffee would be filter coffee from Colombian beans
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Always filter ground
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I tried the Starbucks decaf and I can only drink it as iced latte cause otherwise the bad taste is too visible to me
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Also Starbucks uses the methylchemical cancerous process to make decaf
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I cannot tolerate Starbucks coffee. I'm with you on this. I drink coffee for the taste. Caffeine just happens to be in it.
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I have a very low tolerance for caffeine.
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its both fo rme
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Agreed on decaf coffee. I’ve yet to find one that doesn’t taste like it’s been run through a lab and robbed of its authentic flavor.
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This
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Cheers oumlmbbzp - definitely feel better being slimmer!
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Yeah, I mean… Alcohol is statistically the most dangerous drug out there… and some people consume it every day!
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society-approved drug addictions! 😵
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I think what I’ve experienced wouldn’t fall under standard ‘anxiety’. Although I might be wrong. It’s been really negative thought patterns. Although… maybe that is a type of anxiety?
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Cheers! Thus far I feel good still on day two. I will keep an eye on it though!
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I'm cursed with the gene that gives me 10x the tastebuds for tannins.. I can tell the difference between starbucks and "good" coffee, but it all kind of tastes bad to me anyways.. I've managed to acquire the taste/tolerance for coffee, and if it's particularly bad (burnt/bitter) then I'll just add cold water to cut the bitterness
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My personality type doesn’t work too well with moderation. I find it easier to quit something 100% than to do ‘a small amount’.
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Eg. My diet is fantastic, no cheat meals. If I started eating chocolate, I’d never stop.
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So… No coffee ever will be easier than one occassionally.
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xxulfiwrp so there's a very clear diff I think between:

Starbucks coffee

and

hipster cafe coffee
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Like the taste is completely different
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like "clean" vs "burnt" or more than that?
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depends on the bean too
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bsgwdlpdqczhvkcxxki yep, coffee isn't unhealthy though, it's extremely healthy, just gives many people anxiety after a few cups
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vikwvgecx yes like burnt ash taste
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Starbucks uses the same bean worldwide and it's this shitty normalized one
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I know it's hip to hate brands but I have nothing against Starbucks I just wish it tasted like the hipster cafes
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gyuifgvpwr My current hypothesis is I might be part of a small percentage of the population that has quite severe symptoms triggered by caffeine. Not standard anxiety.
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yeah even hipster cafe coffee half the time they end up burning it anyways which always makes me sad.. like the other day i had ristr8to and it was burnt.. compared to Ember Cafe which is across the street and made good americanos the last couple days, no burnt/bitter taste
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Like ristr8tto in Chiang Mai or any other hipster place worldwide
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yijnqkbmhhryofzbein yep, or are you in a highly anxious transient place in your life right now? I was and had to quit coffee
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It is a great shame if true, as coffee is indeed healthy. And delicious. But something’s not right and my diet is otherwise excellent
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my friend came w/ me and thought ristr8to was bad too that time, so it wasn't just me..
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czedyyfkee Somewhat. However, I’ve had mood swings for many, many years.
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If nothing else, it’s an experiment. I’ve drunk coffee almost every day for 10-15 years.
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vrzicpvzjcnzjssyekc sure, I don't know you obvi but u remind me a bit of myself when I was in that state, like hyper focused go go go never stop
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And that was the reason I was anxious
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qmtlmbifir pretty much. I can get very intense. Also I have ADHD, so hard to say!
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Trying to control everything etc
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Yup, I try to control everything!
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Yes same ppl say I have ADHD I don't believe it exists, just ppl have different personalities/brains, mine's just very creative and fast #humblebrag
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Yeah, there are conflicting ideas about what ADHD is, if indeed it is anything at all.
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I hope you find peace and then u might be able to try coffee again haha
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But that pattern of being intensely focused/interested in certain things and utterly disinterested in most things, with no grey area, I fit into!
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Thanks
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BigPharma is just trying to make money by normalizing personalities it's bullshit
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I mean… I think there are some academic benefits in trying to group personality types.
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But.. I can also see that they fall apart when it comes to dealing with an individual.
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Haha yes same
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Got kicked off
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Ah, I went to a strict boarding school… No finding your place there!
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If anything we shd let ppl be less normie than more
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I am not even slightly surprised to hear that.
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More interesting society w more diverse ppl
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Schools are designed to teach people to be employees. That couldn’t be any clearer to me.
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But the way things are going, being an employee isn’t anywhere near as secure an idea as it used to be.
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At the same time though - people like being 'defined'
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analysed
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etc
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Even brain chemical imbalance is being debunked now
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Is why horoscopes are so weirdly popular
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Yes
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Sort of absolves some responsibility of your own character
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BigPharma is one of the biggest problems of society now
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I can recognize ppl when they're medicated and there's so many
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So many ppl acting weird
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"Don't blame me, I'm a virgo INTP"
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It's the moon, not me
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So many ppl who just can't listen in a convo and use some amphetamine meds
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And you can't talk about it because someone will shut you down with "chemical imbalances" but it's bs
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A lot of SSRI's have the opposite effect
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They rob people of their personality and drive
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Just normalize
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Similar with the introvert / extrovert spectrum... like to me it doesn't seem to be one
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I'm literally both
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I have a friend, who is a music producer that I work with, who does rock-climbing, yoga, great diet… still struggles with depression.
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However, there are a large percentage of people who seem very quick to jump onto medication, without making lifestyle changes.
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The first treatment should be nutrition and fitness and only medicate as a last resort
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100%.
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Exception maybe if someone is at risk of self-harm.
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Having evaluated the impacts of both, I can first-hand anecdote that lifestyle changes are >>>> effective than medication
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True story. Flip-side, is waking up in Bali next to the beach doesn’t magically fix anything.
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My freelance/remote lifestyle gives me more flexibility to make changes than my office job did. But that’s no guarantee I’ll use it wisely.
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It is nice being able to dick around with meditation and sleeping patterns without having to ask a boss though.
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Environment has a *MASSIVE* effect on my mental state and ability to work
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Sorry, it does for me too. But it’s not everything.
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not great really, as one shouldn't be so affected by external situations
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The problem is the ratchet effect
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Eg. relationship issues, lack of purpose. These suck, anywhere.
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You can be Elon Musk or Ronaldo and it still sucks if you have relationship issues.
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I was absolutely miserable back in the years when I had to trudge into a crappy grey office
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Then things, changed. Started Nomadding - and it was super exciting and new, and had a huge positive impact.
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Now - the actual environment I am in, is essentially a new baseline, and has a neutral effect.
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Yes, exactly that.
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I think it’s kinda healthy in a way.
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My relationship with Instagram is pretty healthy. I see/know many of the people/sights that people fawn over… and I know they’re not accurate representations of anyone’s daily life.
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And I know that lying on the beach sipping coconuts gets boring pretty quickly.
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That's an interesting one
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I am almost entirely unaffected by IG / social media etc, in that regard
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However, it'd probably be a bit un-self aware to say that's always been true
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However, it'd probably be a bit un-self aware to say that's always been true
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Or rather, if I hadn't changed everything about my life into what it is now - and I was still where I was years ago...
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whether I would today be unaffected
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mnkcpgfxnk I think I seen somewhere that Starbucks owners agree that their coffee is burned and kind of tastes like shit, but people kept complaining when they tried to bring good coffee that it's not strong/bitter enough, so they just went with that people want
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fuzlymdfbjn Instagram did inspire me to quit my job, somewhat. However I now know that while I can go to all these awesome places, there is an intrinsic sense (or absence) of purpose I carry with me, everywhere I go, that strongly influences my wellbeing.
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zfkfnplxj I’m unsure. I hardly drink anything that isn’t water, green juices, or the occassional gin!
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I will try a coffee again in a couple of months and see if I notiece a difference.
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you could try a single origin arabica or robusta rather than a blend and see if it makes a difference
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Or just avoid coffee period 😉
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It’s not particularly hard to just choose green tea instead
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I did miss coffee at breakfast today, I will admit.
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But not enough to not feel bad.
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It takes a few weeks, but once I gave up coffee I started enjoying my mornings more, especially once I stopped using an alarm clock to wake up. It became a much smoother transition from sleep to awake. I'll have the occasional (once a month maybe?) tea if I'm waking up super early, or am really tired from something, but anytime I've tried coffee since then I get very jittery and anxious.
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I'm over here on my third espresso for the day (:heart::flag-it:) so am definitely not clicking that link lol
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The only coffee that I like taste and effect wise would be cold brewed. Probably because most of the rest are too acidic and burnt. I like my life without coffee more, but to do that it requires an amount of moving around that computer jobs do not provide/allow for. Sitting and no coffee — my metabolism crashes.
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keqfvujhu great Reddit article! Thanks
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glad you like it! often there’s meditation woowoo on this /r/, but I find OP insights valuable
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other thing that I’d recommend is to try out matcha tea
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I’m gonna stick to…. nothing!
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Water, coconuts, and green juices
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tastes like..green tea.. though
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I appear to be in the "I can drink unlimited amounts of coffee and it'll reduce my risk of heart disease" demographic
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Monitoring my coffee consumption was pretty beneficial for me. I have 2-3 cups in the morning and none the rest of the day. I feel like I don't really "need" the coffee but it's more of a relaxing routine for me. My energy levels are more stable during the day.
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i love cold brew coffee
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I want to moderate mine a bit lower. Once I find a nice decaf, it'll help
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qrrmtgyqzbdeid have you tried to substitute with fresh juices high on vitamin c, but not too high on sugar (orange by itself i find a bit too sweet most of the times, but add lemon, or pomegranade, or grapefruit and ginger). These would give me a nice kick, in case it is not the taste you are craving. Creen juices too.
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It's the warm rich beverage when working at the desk. I'd be better off substituting with tea or some other hot rich drink... But, that's why decaf is so appealing.

I'm buying a grinder this week, and that'll expand my options
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Never really had any desire to experiment with decaf.. I'd rather just buy good green tea personally
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Coffee's been a companion pretty much all of my life
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djgcdxqzmraplc good rich cocoa does this for me — with cinnamon, or honey, or chilly, or black pepper or all 😄
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i mean, same, but for me it turned out i really just want a tasty hot beverage if i'm not drinking it for my daily caffeine dosage
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>decaffeinated coffee is rarely produced from premium quality beans. "The general consensus is to take stuff at a lower grade," says Howard. "The problem is there isn't enough market." Add together the expense of decaffeination and the premium cost of high-quality beans and you end up with an expensive product that relatively few people want to buy.
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interesting
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i imagine we will see more of a demand in the next handful of years
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we have a generation of people who got super hooked on coffee -> then discovered good coffee beans/preparation -> then realized that they feel better if they don't drink 4 cups of full strength coffee every day
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we're also seeing craft breweries put out actually tasty gluten free and alcohol free beers
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cqpsblrv i feel like the baby boomer generation, particularly the british, often drank coffee at night too? like wtf
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I really think that the market for non-alcohol mixed drink components is going to be a thing. There's "dry" bars popping up all over, as people who don't drink, or are quitting are looking for that same social scene... without the drunken antics
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also just looking for creative/interesting things to drink when out at places with people who are drinking
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Yup. I tried to convince my friend who has a craft gin business to get into non-alcohol components for drinks. Not sure if he perused it
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Mocktails seem popular in some places
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The interesting thing about drinking decaf (I have a cup everyday when working) is that I still get the slight coffee buzz even though it's decaf. I realize a small amount of caffeine is in it but the act of having a hot cup tricks my brain into thinking it's coffee. I'm sure with a little adjustment I could cut out caffeine altogether.
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My dad drinks coffee at night but it's like half coffee and half milk. I like mine black which is why coffee after 2pm is no good for me. Sometimes I may have a cup usually in a social setting around noon.
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I cannot have coffee after like 1pm I will not sleep
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Never would have imagined the beverage chat taking off like this. Is now a good time to mention kombucha? 🤤
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48 hours into no coffee… I have struggled to sleep both nights, despite feeling tired more early than usual.
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Going to have to give it a week or two man. Keep on it, hydrate
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Cheers, I appreciate the moral support.
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I feel pretty depressed today; albeit still more calm than usual…

…so that may be progress, of sorts!
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How much coffee did you typically have per day?
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gchxkjpfmhxhmi just one long black (two shots).
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I don’t think this is a conventional ‘coffee anxiety’. I don’t drink enough for that.
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If anything, it’s a more strong reaction.
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Do u eliminate strong lights at night, UECRXRJ3G? This influences my sleep more than coffee (max 2 single espressos/day)
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jzjukthav Yeah I travel with a roll of black electrical tape.
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One of my favourite travel hacks. Perfect for covering LEDs in any room I’m in.
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I drink vast amounts of coffee
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What about before you go to sleep, just in the evening
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I really wish tech companies would stop thinking that super-bright LEDs are a good thing to add to their products.
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As in - enough that the baristas almost always go "um... really...?"
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when I order another one
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Ugh… I have orange filters on all my devices… but I’m not doing the wind-down for two hours before i go to bed that I should do.
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What about lights in the room?
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When I am asleep, I generally sleep pretty well
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I have fairly warm LEDs
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And turn off the overheads in early evening
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But I rarely have any desire or need to get up earlier in the morning than my body wants to
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I am very into lighting. Back in my UK home I switched out all my bulbs for warm, except for cool overheads (turned off in the evening).
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I sleep with curtains open full
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Some people are less sensitive to these things.
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I used to drink a cup of coffee in the morning and had serious anxiety. A lot else has changed too, but even a little coffee can mess with your head if your body isn’t cut out for it
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The one thing that will completely cock with my sleep
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is knowing I have to get up for something
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Then my body will refuse to sleep, until about 1 hour before I have to get up for it
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If I have a very early flight - I more often than not just go direct to airport, and don't sleep at all
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cfkajhhbfdtewtbzvxk if u dont like your quality of sleep, maybe try tryptophan. If that helps u can work to increase your levels more naturally than supplementing in the long term. But maybe wait a couple more days first as zxqtxyxpdjeuyi suggested.
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Can I buy that in Bali, U0E1ME1UJ?
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Usually pretty easy to find in an supplement shop. Dont go for 5-htp as the body produces only serotonin from it, studies say (I havent tried it). L-tryptophan converts to both serotonin and melatonin depending on the time of the day (which probably means dont trick your eyes with bright light past sunset).
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Cannot tell exactly about bali as I am yet to come for a first time, gusjadtdcthwajjywjc
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What do you use tryptothan for?
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Occasional sleep/mood disturbances due to monthly hormonal swings (pms) when I was a bit stressed a couple times last summer, before I managed to adjust my food to my needs and thankfully avoid the disturbances later.
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That’s good to know, thanks! I think it’s mentioned in the biohacking book that I’m reading.
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Coconut water from actual coconut is good..bottled coconut water not so much
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Yeah, I get a coconut each morning in Bali.
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Ideal, post-workout!
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how much do they go for in bali these days? back home a coconut goes for $5 aud a pop
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I haven’t even counted. Negligible!
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I’d be suprised if it’s more than a dollar or two.
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right? like A/C units who’s lights you can’t turn off and are usually blue….
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vbpwcwajy in CM I can get a 10 bag for 190-220 baht depending on season
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I was buying 1.5L bottled of fresh coconut water in Ubud for 35k
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Wayans Coconut Juice Bar FTW
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goaagfsvasovsmjjejz Bali is pretty bad for specific supplements in my experience. They have really general stuff, but not much else unless you go somewhere like Bali Buddha
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Yeah getting vegan protein here is pricey!
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oh for sure. Especially since most of it is Sun Warrior which is already expensive
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I buy Prana from a chick here 1.5 million rupiah for 2kg
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Not cheap, but good. But then when all the other food is so cheap...
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averages out haha
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More than, overall.
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ueqoicwpgwdvlnsnaqz one personal rule that's helped me is no electronics in the bedroom. Ever.

Day or night, it's a definitely a laptop and mostly phone free use zone
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Yeah I stick to that at home - great rule! Harder when I’m away though! I’m in a hotel-style room.
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Ah, yah. That might do it. Working in the room too?
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Yup!
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Great for work... less good for chill.
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Studio style apartments get hard on the sleep cycle and productivity after awhile
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Well, I should say usually one or the other gets priority
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i need to get back to being strict on the no electronics in the bedroom rule ..
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though really just no electronics in bed is basically the same thing and works in a studio as well
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just stop the habit of being on your phone for a while before sleep, and grabbing it the moment you wake up before you are out of bed
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I'm steadily accepting it's just what I do
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I have a no computer/phone rule that starts at least an hour before bed. This has really helped me as well as getting on a pretty tight sleep schedule. I'm in bed no matter what at the latest 10:30pm. I've found that as I get older I'm more sensitive to disruptions in my sleep patterns. And if you need an alarm, I've been really happy with alarms that simulate the sun rising by slowly glowing and waking the body/mind up gradually.
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Don't think was ever a night for years of going to bed without a phone in hands reach (for rain sounds and alarm), but I just turn airplane mode while going to bed and it's not turned off until I get out of it
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I keep it in a totally separate room
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Meditation apps complicate things slightly.
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I can start to see why an iPod Touch might make sense
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If I get an Apple Watch it will have zero social apps on it.
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If my meditation apps are available on Apple Watch that would be a nice divide. But I’d be surprised if they are.
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wexhpxljy Exactly. AC units are the chief offender. Hence I carry a roll of black electrical tape.
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Looks like there are quite a few meditation and sleep apps available for apple watch, tho I haven't tried any -- mine is a generation or two old and has to charge nightly, so I can't sleep with it on
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Looks like Headspace is on there, but not Waking Up
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Insight timer is a great meditation app, looks like its watch compatible. The app has some built in meditation sounds, but also a huge marketplace of guided meditation. Highly recommend
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+1 for insight timer
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you also got calm, 10% happier, etc. there’s even stock breathe app
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but imo you should be aiming for ‘true’ meditation - without external triggers like apps, in the long run
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Yeah, that’s fair. I use Waking Up in the morning and Calm sometimes at night.
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I am starting to do more meditation with no stimuli though.
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Has anyone used an online personal trainer with success?
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xakpcmvtyl I just started with >https://future.fit> and really love the app and my trainer. But I'm only on week 2.
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Interesting
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it has a really cool integration with apple watch and apple health
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holler if you want one of my guest passes for a free month
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I'll keep it in mind. Thx!
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There's apps that use the phone and watch's sensors, which I think is a pretty novel idea
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No more eating a regular sized meal right before exercise 🤢
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That's why you need to powernap first
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Lunch + 25 minute powernap + walk to the gym
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Perfect timing
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My friend worked at RBS and was told he wasn’t allowed to nap on his lunch break, because it looks ‘unprofessional’.
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I would probably set someone on fire if they said that to me.
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yvyciogccctfsb nevahhh. I ate 100 gr of smoked salmon as a lunch snack on a hike while my buddy had carbs. Guess who went on for the top and who napped for hours by a mountain stream 😁 (thankfully there were enough people on that route that day jot to wordy leaving a person alone in the mountains)
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I don’t think I have it in me to get to the gym after a nap. Big fan of post-gym naps though.
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I’ve been reading “why we sleep” and have been seriously thinking about incorporating an afternoon nap into my work day.
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I just finished the first 50 days of Waking Up. really impressed!
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It’s interesting how there’s still books and articles coming out with the old scare mongering tactics around sleep even with all the stuff that’s been figured out about sleep in the last 2 decades
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Thanks for posting this.
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Hadn't heard of this guy before
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mostly agree
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it’s somewhat refreshing to find any discussion that’s not eugolizing ideas from this book, even if some of them are not completely correct
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coz the outcome that I noticed from most after reading this book is “shit I need to sleep 8 hours+”
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dbsmleiupzzlsqxsrff my main point is this is not a “debunk”, but I why you or anyone else would think that (mostly at the fault of the essay author). It brings up valid criticisms for how the data is presented in the book, but as is stated in “Appendix 11 - Things I’m not saying in this essay”:
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1. sleep is not important
2. sleeping well is not important
3. people should be sleep-deprived for reasons other than sleep deprivation therapy
4. there are no people who naturally need 8 hours of sleep a night
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It is also clear he muddies the waters by the fact that 1. added this section and 2. has doubled the points in it since the essay went viral

I do empathize with the writer of the essay as no matter what you do, people will find a way to skew what you said to fit their bias.
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cscmwxsoz I would argue that MORE people need to prioritize sleep (although of course just worrying incessantly about it is not good), but I also acknowledge that the way society runs is pretty antithetical to achieving that goal
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good insights
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wvpexaobw are you a medical?
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I am not, just interested in health (mental and physical). Not trying to make any specific recommendations, just providing insight based on my experiences
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what are your feelings about nootropics?
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depends which ones. there is an unending number of them. I don’t know much about a lot of them
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l-theanine, ashwagandha
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(Lightweight ones, I would say)
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hujzogaob I appreciate you. Going to read the article later.
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2/3 of us are currently taking ashwagandha for stress. Personally, I haven’t tried it and it’s difficult for me to separate the benefits of it from all the other changes we frequently make to reduce stress. I would say that considering how cheap you can get it, it could be a low-risk addition to a broader stress-reduction regime
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Who are the "us'?
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my wife, sister and I
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they are taking it
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I don’t have much stress these days
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Well, you have learned the ㊙️ a cat.
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vfivkmhwf I don’t have any experience with l-theanine (at least not recently, might have taken it as some point). IMO general stress/anxiety should be treated as a systematic/lifestyle issue, but I know there are some things that help with short term symptoms (such as the adaptogen’s mentioned)
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digogndtufyhue I wish I could have a cat…
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maybe you are referencing this? >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7T_KKiQiolk>
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`15 years taking prescriptions Now a shrink like, "Ionno, maybe get a kitten"`
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why can't you have a cat?!?!
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allergies
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😭
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My heart is deeply saddened.
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yea it’s a curse. I love the furry beings so much, but must from afar
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Have you looked into allergy treatments?
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hutncbunwdv I finished first 50 days yesterday! Great app. Much more mature than Headspace, IMO.
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lwnzistitqjnly only Oral immunotherapy temporarily, but I didn’t have the money or the patience at the time. Also, I am allergic to many things so I would probably have to choose what I wanted to prioritize (such as cat/dog dander). Would probably also be more difficult now that I move regularly.

I have made dietary changes that have helped a bit with chronic symptoms and quite a bit with acute reactions. Dairy and Gluten being the main culprits. I suspect fried/oily foods and general inflammation in my body may be related as well.
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rieaoibsf Have you thought about just suffering through it, kittens are worth it? troll 😂
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But in all seriousness that sucks 😕
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have though about it, but again, I think it would be more worth it if I didn’t move so much. Then I could at least commit to exposure therapy with a specific cat.
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pqhgiprof not sure if you are aware, but >https://www.longecity.org/forum/> might be provide some valuable information in terms of nootropics. Of course it is all just peoples experiences, but could provide some insight into what can be helpful. However, I would reiterate that if you have an issue like anxiety or depression that you want to tackle, a supplement or single regime in most cases won’t be the solution. They could certainly aid in getting you to a more stable place so you can start to look at the root triggers of those reactions, but should not be approached from the perspective of any one things being a panacea.
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IMO, things like depression and anxiety have systemic causes and so require systemic approaches to treating them
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and of course, the most important thing is don’t just take anyone’s experiences as truth (such as mine). Always be willing to try things for yourself to find what works for you (in a very systematic and safe way)
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If you settle somewhere at some time, you might also try to look into those cats which don't bring out allergy, I think they are expensive, but might be an option to enjoy feline company
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Yup +1skin-tone-3 I’m staying in an airBnB that has a hypoallergenic cat
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It’s coat is trippy as, can confirm. Good cat.
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xpnmifjxf it’s not hairless? Can you send a picture?
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Ah the photos I took were ephemeral through ig
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If this convo is still going I’ll take a photo when I get home later
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Or you can search Deven Rex
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interesting… looks like a beady-eyed fuzzy peach cat
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Yeah kind of. Basically looks like a short short haired cat. It’s soft to touch, kind of like a velvet rug
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thanks!
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I think Sam would be too dry for some people, but the 'science-y' approach made it a lot more interesting to me
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That cat sure has a cartoon face
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cats in the fitness channel lol
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We should rename it to #_pets2 and then make a #_gym channel then rename #_gym to #_fitness 😉
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Some people like sugar in their coffee. They, too, are retards.
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the nomad struggle do i go to the gym that _definitely_ has what i need (it's an olympic weightlifting/powerlifting gym) that's a 30 minute walk or go to a fancier one that is much closer hoping i can still deadlift/squat there 😂
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😂
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Maybe give them a call?
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i end up with awkward language barrier phone calls too often when doing stuff like that, so usually just show up .. but this time i was actually able to message the closer one on fb to ask haha
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though they also told me it's 100 euro for a month, hoping all gyms here aren't that much 😬
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100 is expensive 😕
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I'd love a network of gyms with just bench/squat racks
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So u can do deadlift, bench, squat only
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Don't rly care for much else anymore
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add in overhead press and i'm with you 🙂
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yeah i definitely don't want to pay 100 euro to have access to a squat rack and a bench for a month.. but two gyms have told me that is the price today
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well the powerlifting/olympic weightlifting gym is 60 euro, can live with that since the gym is legit looking
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What we need is a full squat rack and full size weights that pack up small into a rucksack
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I offered to donate a squat rack to our condo gym but the building manager said no because "free weights are too dangerous" 🤷‍♂️
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😕 sadly not that rare of an opinion
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Yeah, it's why almost all condo complex and hotel gyms don't have DBs over 15kgs or freeweights.
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At one point, I had started building a directory for gyms that had racks and day passes.
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I should take up that project again.
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would pay for that
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the alternative would be paying someone (or a service like magic) to find a gym with racks for you
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hinqbosf yep, but overhead u can do with squat rack right?
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yep!
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Nice
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honestly i would be real content in a gym with just barbells, benches and squat racks
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hm
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i was going to say "throw in some rowing machines and i'm real happy" .. but then realized i think my ideal setup is a small crossfit gym with no crossfiters 😂
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there's much more money to be made in signing up people who aren't going to stick with it (but will keep paying)
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As a gym manager, explained to me, big weights attract bodybuilders, who are the worst kind of customers.
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Gyms rely on selling memberships to people who don’t use them. Something like 13% of people don’t use their membership once.

That’s a great business model.
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Bodybuilders - by definition - use the gym regularly, so ruin this business model. Plus they use equipment heavily, drop weights, and intimidate the ideal target customer - someone who doesn’t actually want to be in a gym and just wants to get a membership to ‘feel’ healthy.
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yeah, basically what i expected.. definitely sad
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`just wants to get a membership to ‘feel’ healthy` that is why after new years the gym is full of people... for like a week or so
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dihyhhhigdqonortlkl so true, i always see those ppl on the crosstrainers etc
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I think we all been that person
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Wish someone told me 10 years ago all you needed for a fit body and mental health is squats deadlift bench
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And some running
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And good nutrition.
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and sleep
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xcynivus my hack was always to try to find a crossfit gym with and open gym schedule. They have everything I wanted as a power lifter, and hitting open gym was a double bonus for me - no stupid classes, and no meatheads telling me how to lift (_yeah, thanks, I've been doing this for years_)
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jhafprbtov i've heard people do that, but haven't tried yet. will definitely keep that in mind! how are those priced normally? crossfit seems pretty $$ typically
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Widely varies, but usually around $50-100 USD for the month. I personally don't mind the premium to get what I want.
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yeah, agree on that
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they typically have benches?
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Yup
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cool, will report back if i end up at a crossfit gym for open gym sometime 🙂
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I’ve done that a lot too
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myzxznpiye Yeah powerlifting + HIT sprints is pure win. No matter what your athletic goals, these are invariably the best strategy to achieve them. Diet then decides if you get lean/jacked/huge.
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I’m on 3 days powerlifting/3 days HIT sprints.

I absolutely love HIT sprints. I genuinely look forward to them. Whereas powerlifting…. it’s fine. I feel good afterwards.
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Uff. Wearing my new watch tightly for a few days started creating a sore. Going to have to swap wrists here and there
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kwtvknakvmqcsd fitness watch? fitbit is explicitly not supposed to be worn tight at all heh
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not sure about the other brands
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It's... Snug. Not squeezing but in a way that's resistant to vibration. It also has a week long battery, so I've only been taking it off to shower
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`telling me how to lift` this is so complicated, I usually try to keep my comments to myself, unless it's someone doing bench press and don't have a thumb around the barbell, but even then I try to keep it to just `You might want to put your thumb around the barbell, otherwise if it slips the barbell will end up on your neck` and walk away
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qcdilivhvc don't get me wrong, barbell work can be dangerous AF, and I would appreciate someone stepping up and correcting something that could get someone seriously hurt, but as a former competitive lifter, I know the basics and beyond, and when my technique is off, I usually already know why, and I'm proactive about asking _*coaches*_ for corrective measures. Plus, what works for some doesn't always work for others, especially in women v men... increased shoulder, hip, etc mobility makes some move a little different from others.
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qisbiijabh Yeah, for that reason I try to avoid giving any tips as I'm sure my own form is not that great, but like that one I just can't walk away from it especially as dropping a barbell on yourself is the most common way you hurt yourself, so I kind of try to make it neutral in that "I would suggest maybe not doing X because it's unsafe by being Y, but you do you"
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i think it would probably be a good idea to start it by saying you had some thoughts on how they could do it safer and ask if they wanted advice rather than just projecting it at them
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Hmmm, that is a good idea, but I usually only provide that to someone who looks like it's their first time in the gym, those buffed up dudes are busy enough not putting the weights back in their place
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i love anyone i ever hear tell someone to put their weights back though 😂
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I really dislike those weaklings who can't put their weights down, pompous assholes 😞
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One gym I went to had a sign "If you can't put the weights down ask your mom to come with you to the gym" doesn't seem to have helped
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I hate those guys who drop the weights on deadlift
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i hate people sitting on a weight bench on their cell phone for like 5-10 min
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2 minutes between sets people... I get you need rest time, but racks and benches are usually limited in any space and I can guarantee you someone is always waiting
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Yes
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Also why the }%}*}^}+ do gyms not buy more squat/bench racks
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Alwyas only 2
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We need 4 or 6
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"Let's start a gym, ok I'll order 2 squat racks and 120 crosstrainers"
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as someone mentioned it, racks lure buffdudes, and buffdudes scare off casuals
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and casuals = 🤑
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Yep hehe
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Specific workouts actually require dropping weights, but the best gyms for weight lifting will have a platform for dropping weights on, so maybe not as loud
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Muscle factory in Bangkok is good for that, even has signs encouraging people to drop their weights
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With bodybuilding specifically their biggest concern is injuries so they often just do limited range and skip the most dangerous parts of the workout
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Coming down on a deadlift is considered a bit risky esp with heavy weights
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That’s bodybuilders specifically though, they’re going for aesthetics
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Because a huge percent of those that go to gyms regularly are women who use treadmills/cardio/machines
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Unfortunately
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by powerlifting standards you need to maintain control going down, so you can lower it and have a loud hit at the bottom but shouldn't just be dropping it from the top so people shouldn't just be getting to the top and dropping it on every heavy set
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but yeah, a bunch of barbell work requires dropping it.. though just because you're in a gym with a deadlift platform doesn't mean you're in a gym you should be doing cleans and dropping the bar from shoulder height at
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One of the reasons why I prefer to go in the mornings when it's usually women, much higher chance the stuff I need to use will be empty
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Not looking to tomorrow, was nice to exercise in the gym after 4 months of not going to gym, but I'm so gonna feel it tomorrow 😕
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that's me today and i only took like two weeks off .. and i'm supposed to meet up with some new friends at the climbing gym later 😅
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though sore in ways that aren't related to climbing, but surely will still be feeling this while moving like that
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I'm glad I'm not the only one slacking. I've seriously felt a lot of regret skipping days, but still can't seem to fit them in, and have been thinking that I should build a half hour compromise routine that I can do at home
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... it's also my fault for building this time intensive circuit, taking advantage of time and flexibility that I assumed I'd have
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You're all slackers.
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Someone needs tough love.
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I’ve noticed sauna post workout helps me recover faster and not “feel”it too much. It also counts as a workout itself because of the effect it has on the body (helps you create heat shock proteins, scientists say that a big thing). Also, for some reason a massage also counts as a workout and you should give the body 24 hours of rest before another workout. So, get your saunas and massages in 😄
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Excuses are like potato chips. You never have just one.
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I saw a guy on joe rogan’s show who lost 19 pounds eating just potatos for 2 weeks. Sadly, post heart attack…
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But, yeah, you never know what works (chips :D)
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Most of the Olympic lifts are finished overhead or at the shoulders as well, and dropping can prevent injury v. lowering down.
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Weight loss/gain is purely an equation Calories in - Calories out. If you burn more calories than you consume, you will lose weight. Doesn't really matter where those calories come from in my understanding.
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Importantly, though, weight loss ≠ healthy
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You need to make sure you're getting nutrients for reasons beyond weight loss
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also, certain types of foods are more likely to fill you up for longer - making it easier for you to make it through the day without consuming excess calories
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there are also hacks like ketosis that work in the short term, but you're much better off just consuming fewer calories and/or exercising more if long-term weight loss is your goal
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llolubmvuplxla I slacked for so long because I tried to get some routine which would work at home (which I would love to have as it would be great while traveling)
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kplbxakmac but u can drop an overhead press on the squat rack right
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Sure, same benefits of lifting apply to both genders though
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hzufjtlapvzmfp i didn't completely slack, but was in a city where all the gyms near me told me one year contracts only and had a few travel days.. so for the almost two week period it was tons of walking (a lot of it with a big backpack), tons of burpees/pushups/squats/etc and hotel gyms (lucky enough to have a water rowing machine at one!) .. but definitely sore after getting back to heavy compound lifts
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Yeah, I've only slacked a few days, still feel shameful 😞
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Yeah, but I found that women use squat rack/barbells less often (even if they do squats it's often to the one which is vertically fixed), so just a higher chance of it being available
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I’ve been in the gym 5 days a week for 4 months straight, already feeling guilty that I’ll probably miss it for 2.5 weeks during my New Zealand trip.. I’m going to try to find some 1 time entry gyms, but I won’t count on it.
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Not taking recovery days?
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I'm curious what the strategy is
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I do nSuns 5 day myself, really love the high reps and high weight. If you’re coming from something like 5x5 or 5x3, you’ll probably be quite sore in the first week or two hehe
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Can DM me the link
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I can’t share links yet, but reddit/r/nsuns has a lot of info. There’s also an iPhone app with the name nSuns 5/3/1
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But I would only recommend if you have a lot of time and days. At least 1 hour - 1.5 hour a day for a minimum of 4 days a week.
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Body weight in July 84kg
1+ reps:
67.5kg bench
62.5kg squat
47.5kg overhead press
72.5kg deadlift

Body weight November 77kg
1+ reps:
87.5kg bench
110kg squat
57.5kg overhead press
110kg deadlift
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What's the recovery strategy though?
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Eat healthy and sleep enough
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Gotcha. Gut check says that's not for me, but I appreciate you appeasing my curiosity
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I mean I wouldn’t do full body 5 days in a row, but if you do different parts of your body it should be fine. ie. Mon is chest, Tue is leg, Wed is shoulders etc
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No matter what program you follow, nutrition and sleep are the most important things by far
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And progressive overload
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Oh, and form!! don’t ignore form, get a personal trainer if you need to. Don’t focus on the weight itself
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Yeah, when I get to a point might go in for a spot check on form and corrective measures. Not there yet
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A sports physiotherapist was crucial to get my lower back issues fixed. Because I wanted to deadlift and squat. And some physiotherapists will be like “omg don’t do that you’ll kill your lower back”. Right now my back issues are gone and I’m getting stronger and stronger.
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Progressed up from full eccentric to mildly assisted for some exercises (dips, chinups) in a few weeks, and it's difficult this week, but helps me keep full motion form in practice and will get easier in a few weeks

I'm calisthenics based, rather than weights
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I do calisthenics on Sunday with a small group here in Singapore. Really a lot of respect for people who master that. Throwing around a barbell is one thing, being able to do a muscle up is another haha
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Yeah, I miss being strong, let myself go. But, fixing it
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Being able to do pull ups and chinups is very satisfying though. Even when I was benching my body weight I still couldn’t do a pull up, or I thought so. I just kept trying and now a few weeks later I do 10+ no problem 🙂
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What I appreciate about calisthenics is the mind game. It really helps if you have meditation practice, turns bodyweight exercises into a whole new thing to feel every muscle and tendon
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Past months I’ve been in my daily routine in Singapore, scared to travel for the coming 6 weeks 😞
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I agree haha! and it looks badass too 😛
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IDGAF about that 😆
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I look like a chump right now
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Well, it’s part of the mind game I guess. Once you’re finally able to do it, you’ll feel great about it, because you know how hard it is to get there
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For calisthenics I’m glad I’m with a group though, I think alone I’d be ashamed (even though there is no reason to, my mind is like that) in a public park doing it, but with a group it’s fine, even though they’re all stronger than me. But I guess not giving a fuck is a skill that can be learned
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Being weak and ashamed in the park... Have to admit that was a slight battle, but then I realized - there's so many other people out at the park doing their thing in worse shape and starting off at a worse baseline than me. If they're out there sweating and suffering, so can I
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... which feeds back into someone else who might be looking around the park and feeling the same shame
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yes! you have to overcome that 🙂 respect!
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I think if you're out of shape, it's arguably worse in a gym certain times of day. I have a friend who goes to what she calls "the corner of shame" (her words) where the not so beautiful/fit people go. But, she can only go at night and needs a gym, so....
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But, for me... I feel happy suffering among the trees. It's a happier place for me 🙃
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It also helps to have a huge lovely park, with lots of trees, exercise areas, a 3km run/bike loop.... 15 min from my house
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so I just told my friend I may join her at the gym one of these days
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she's like a total gym rat
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I am a sack of potatoes
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this should be hilarious
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I'm going to be over on the side with my little 2 kilo weights doing lunges and then calling it a day
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and she'll be powerlifting twice my body mass maybe (I actually don't know what she does when she works out)
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rcmoqrempzdq Did you friend reply with "_Who are you and where did you hide my friend's corpse?_" 😂
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lol she probably would've but I think she already started to the gym by that point
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you gotta give the gym at least 3 weeks of consecutively going before giving up. The DOMs after the first few sessions are annoying to most especially whilst travelling that they stop going. But if you can reach the 3rd week thats when DOMs dont hurt as much and it feels good to go.
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i kinda like the DOMS 😛
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anyway, i also think it's important to ease into it. it doesn't do you any good to go super hard in the beginning because *at best* it's a recipe for being extremely sore for 1-3 days after every workout for a few weeks. more likely it causes you to not want to go anymore or you can hurt yourself.
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I enjoy DOMs *after* the first few sessions, I always go too hard when i try to get back into it to the point of having stiff legs, arms that it hurts to bend. usually that means taking the 2nd week off and then never going again . I'm learning my lesson though, just doing light sets for the first week and easing into it.

After that its a struggle to get DOMs because your body gets used to it / muscles have gotten stronger
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I almost chase DOMs. If I start not getting it after a workout I’ll switch things up and push a bit harder, for better or worse
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.............. am thinking web site dom so someone halp
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did you go to the gym with your friend U039LMA57?
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no she went by herself today but I am considering heading there in like the next couple days
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without her
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because she scares me
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you have to understand she was legit a fitness model for a while, just for funsies
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because she is a psychopath
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oh that
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I hate that
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lsddnlfjwkgr I would go with your friend if I were you. Someone who has gone through the journey from normal person > fitness model can help you with a workout plan, help to do exercises with correct form. Even if you don’t want to be a fitness model, I would take the advice and learn 🙂
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yeah i agree with the above, having someone knowledgeable in training is a HUGE advantage. PTs are expensive so if you can get that stuff for free is really beneficial. correct form is everything, what muscles to train on what days also e.g. back/bis, chest/tris complement each other. what machines target what muscle. they can help with all that shit. + accountability to go if you have a gym buddy is also a bonus.
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If they’re really good, they know that everyone is different, and what worked for them, they’d tell you might not work for you 😉
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