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UHYHNFELSbr />This is from a website run by the Danish Immigration Service.

```Citizens of certain countries are entitled to stay in Denmark for 90 days or 3 months, regardless of stays in other Schengen countries ...

United States of America (USA) and New Zealand

Nationals of the United States of America (USA) and New Zealand may stay in Denmark for up to 3 months reckoned from the date of their first entry into Denmark. The time the foreign national has stayed in Denmark within 6 months preceding any such entry shall be deducted from the mentioned 3 months.```
other countries with a similar agreement are Australia, Canada, Chile, Israel, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, Singapore, and South Korea
njcbhuacnn nope, it doesn't work that way. it's no longer than 90 days in any 180 days window. so if you stay out for 30 days and come back on day 31 it's still 90 days in 180 days window
Could also look at country to country agreements. For example - Australians can stay in Germany/Denmark for 6months (fly in fly out) and reset each time. You wouldnt be able to leave that country though like with Schengen
oh interesting, good idea, i wonder if there are any agreements like that with the US
actually I've heard there's an agreement with Poland or something along those lines. but I just heard it here, requires clarifications
Oh shit, Iโ€™m in Poland right now, I hope thatโ€™s true
yeah, it is ... I've heard it here from ptysdmhbkllpyz but she's no longer a member ๐Ÿ˜ข
so based on your link it seems like for Poland it's most likely okay (but you need to check with some officials there), but a. you can't leave Poland and go to another Schengen member state (because they'll think you overstayed), although you might not be caught across the border in Germany or pretend you forgot your passport that's still "grey" area (it's also more risky because of COVID) b. 90 days countdown will start after you leave Schengen area (Poland or Denmark or whatever other member state with bilateral agreement)
Is it realistic thinking about doing the 7 wonders of the world in a month or less?

The itinerary looks like Mexico -> Peru -> Brazil -> Italy -> Jordan -> India -> China

Considering it for my next anual leave and once things are a little better next year but rather than a vacation sounds like a lot on your body with some many long flights and probably walks (thinking about Machu pichu)

Anyone tried it in less than a month?
That sounds pretty intense
I found 3 weeks was barely enough to drive around New Zealand
And even then constantly felt liked were having to skip so much to keep on schedule
Also thatโ€™ll be quite a high ratio of time on transport to time actually seeing stuff
I think you need at least a week and a half for macchu picchu regardless if you're hiking or taking the train, but for altitude acclimation, so I would definitely agree with amzqhflzxnq
Unless itโ€™s a list checking exercise, I feel itโ€™d end up more fulfilling to pick one of those destinations, maybe two, and spend less time on planes and more exploring and seeing stuff
I did 3 in I think 3 weeks. Pyramids, Petra, and Taj Mahal. It was a lot. In between was a month and we did great wall and coliseum.
If you attempt anything high pace I recommend scheduling 1 or 2 days per week or bi weekly where you do nothing or close to nothing.
It depends if you are coming from a higher climate, from medellin it took us 48 hours but we started to feel sick the moment we landed.
Why do you want to do that to yourself? The 7 wonders aren't gonna go anywhere and it's unlikely to be a life changing experience, so what's the rush?
honestly that sounds like a terrible month
itโ€™s probably easier to see how to get a โ€œfirstโ€ dose. takes away the complication of explaining the previous one
Yes it does, I get it sounds a bit crazy, it even sounds like that to me when I think about all the flight and stuff to do.

It would only make sense to me if I can do it with my friends who are not nomads and all of us took the anual leave just for it.

Weโ€™ll probably wonโ€™t make it but a terrible idea with my closest friends sounds like a good story. ๐Ÿ˜‚
It would also be expensive. Everything around those wonders is super expensive.
But it might be worth the thousands and stress for the extra 15 likes you will get on Instagram.
well, of the ancient 7 wonders only Pyramids survive, so why not pick 7 wonders close by ๐Ÿ˜‚
so Pyramids - Petra - Taj Mahal actually sounds like a nice itinerary
I'd pick quality time over quantity, less travel and hassle - more time with friends
Ya that's what I did, it wasn't too bad but it was still pretty crazy and I had 4 weeks.
Pyramids are ok but if you are in the area, luxor is far more interesting. I wouldn't go just to see the pyramids.
yeah, Luxor is cool. I've heard great things about Aswan and Marsa Matrouh but didn't get there
cgbknafxln Iโ€™d do it - for the sake of accomplishment.

To help you with planning, you donโ€™t need to spend more than a day in Agra to see Taj Mahal. Agra from New Delhi is 2 hours by car so technically you can accomplish Taj Mahal in 2 days.

Machu Pichhu in Aguas Calientes will require more time because you have to arrive by air to Lima then Cusco and then take a bus/train. Overall possible but easily 4 days.

Brazil is just 2 days as well since Rio is connected to international destinations.

Not sure about other destinations but I see it quite feasible.
Geez, how did I not know about all of these bilateral agreements until now? Has anyone taken advantage of one of these recently?
Iโ€™ve used up all my Schengen days but I have a long-term visa in Hungary. Can I go to countries with bilateral agreements without leaving Schengen if Iโ€™m going through Hungary?
Thatโ€™s what Iโ€™m wondering, if you arrive on a train for example from another Schengen country, how do you get a passport mark so they know when you arrived to the new place with the bilateral agreement?
Itโ€™s clear that you have to fly out to a non-Schengen country after the stay, but not so clear how to arrive โ€” unless flying out of the Schengen and then back to the target country.
If you get an ETIAS, can you move between bilateral agreement countries freely?
Does anyone know a company that you can pay to figure this stuff out for you?
I tried CIBT and they said they donโ€™t do this kind of thing
also, itโ€™s weird that poland isnโ€™t listed
It sounds like after the 90 days you must stay in the bilateral agreement country you choose, you can't change. So if you apply to stay in Italy for an additional 90 days, you can't leave Italy.
This is also news to me.
It sounds like you need to enter the bilateral country before your Schengen time is up so that you can apply for the extended stay while youโ€™re there (in person).
Can you leave for a non-EU country and come back or do you forfeit the visa as soon as you leave?
Good question
Are these agreements new? I can't remember how many times people have asked how to stay past 90 days and I have never seen this before.
Like kicking around for 90 days and then spending 90 days in spain/italy then leaving through UK. That's huge.
seems unlikely these agreements are new given the pace of government and how many there are
also thereโ€™s no way these got added during covid so that means they must be over a year old
Heads up nomads flying to and from Mexico City tomorrow Sept 16th, there will be no flights between 9 A.M. - 2 P.M. so some flights are being re-scheduled, this is because of the independence day military air exhibition, plan ahead!!
Some friends are receiving last minute updates like flights leaving way earlier or later.
lrhendcdjxcengdvo most of these agreements are really old
Iโ€™ve been mentioning the denmark one on NL for at least the last 6 years ๐Ÿ˜›
and there are others
There are 4 or 5 countries like this, but they all have the rule that you are supposed to stay in that country, but since there are no border checks between schengen countries, Iโ€™m pretty sure people were skirting that rule, even though they would be risking deportment
zcjsrmorgpmvwopgn have you taken advantage of one of these bilateral agreements before or do you know anyone who has?
this looks pretty sweet โค๏ธ I'm not american so doesn't apply to me but I'd go to / call the immigration office in the country I'm at and just ask there (the same if I were to overstay etc.), it might also make sense to have an agreement text handy to reference it in case officials want to just turn you down
> but since there are no border checks between schengen countries, Iโ€™m pretty sure people were skirting that rule, even though they would be risking deportment
yeah, I think that was what midmpxgymqlkrh mentioned as well, folks were using US <> Poland bilateral agreement and then just hanging out in Germany
To be exact, theyโ€™ve met all the technical requirements for Schengen but they havenโ€™t been admitted yet. Best estimates seem to be 2024, but they are making a heavy push to try and get in before then. Itโ€™s heavy duty because it means each member state completely trusts the other member stateโ€™s border integrity, as if they were one and the same.
Okay so this seems crazy. I just got back from the immigration office in Budapest. The immigration agent said, because of the bilateral visa waiver, you can actually spend 90 days schengen + 90 days bilateral = 180 days in a row with no visa. How is it possible so few nomads use bilateral days?
Also, ghrcxgszub itโ€™d be great to have a channel just for visa stuff, similar to #_housing. Iโ€™ve accumulated obscure visa rule knowledge for various countries/regions over the past two years that Iโ€™d be happy to share.
gvggqduisoebcb there's #_legal not as specific, but visa is kinda a legal issue IMO
I'm curious if any US citizen has started a spreadsheet of different countries and their entry requirements, trying to decide where to go next and starting my own but figured I'd ask if there's any mass spreadsheet I'm not aware of
So you don't even need to apply for it? That's crazy.
bwcfzyvcvuabpc i think #_legal fits yes
more channels is more dispersion is less activity
trying to keep it concentrated now
I do not have one but would contribute to one if you made it public
Yeah he said itโ€™s fully automatic. I dunno why people arenโ€™t talking about this. If this is true for all 10 EEA countries with waivers, thatโ€™s huge.
This is bilateral treaty thing between USA and Hungary right (and also USA and Poland) right?
If you Google "can i travel", the tool lets you put in your passport and your current location and then spits out all the locations you can go next. Though it is more COVID specific..
Alitalia just canceled my flight 3 hours before departing :clown_face:
Do you have any tips to claim for the refund of the hotel night and other costs? Just refunding the flight doesn't feel fair, as now I have to book a much more expensive flight tomorrow, and I can't cancel my parking fee and hotel accomodation.
You can go to the counter and complain. If you booked it via Visa with travel insurance, the insurance will cover it.
What was their excuse to do this? Seems unacceptable
None ๐Ÿคท

They linked me to a post mentioning the following, but that only applies after October 15th.

"Following the procedure for the sale of the "Aviation" Branch of โ€œAlitalia - Societร  Aerea Italiana Spaโ€ in extraordinary administration to the fully public owned company Italia Trasporto Aereo S.p.A., the Ministry of Economic Development has authorized Alitalia to stop ticket sales and, as a consequence, to interrupt flight activities starting from 15 October 2021, being the initial date of the new flagship carrier operations."
Anyone flown Lufthansa before (particularly transatlantic)? Never used them and considering booking.
Few times. Better than any US carrier
Nice, thanks
Going Europe to CDMX
Lufthansa is rather expensive. So if the price is not the issue you will enjoy german quality
It's the cheapest option in this case ๐Ÿ˜„
ฮ™ did early 2021 from Europe to Mexico city and this summer from Europe to the USA. It was great and I would highly consider them for any future transatlantic flights. Especially for Mexico city while I was at the gate they announced an offer to upgrade to Business class only for 300 euros !!! So I took it and It was well money spend.
I've just already booked them - so that's extremely reassuring to hear! Thank you!
I have flown before and it was always fine - not as nice as Qatar/Emirates and sometimes they are delayed/cancelled by German striking but I wasnโ€™t personally affected by that
Delays and cancellations can happen anywhere though woman-shruggingskin-tone-2
Lufthansa is Europe's only 5-star airline. It's no where near the AMEA 5-star airlines, but it's nice enough
Maybe a basic โ“ Do I always get forced to pay in the currency from the country I am booking for?
I am german and want to fly from Thailand to Germany but even with Lufthansa I am forced to pay in THB. Is it by any means possible to pay in my native currency?
Use a German travel agent
I always use Expedia when I want to solve this particular problem
Thank you. I forgot to mention that I want to pay in EUR because it's cheaper. So using a travel agent would make it more expensive. My fault ๐Ÿ™ƒ
Why do you think a travel agent would make it more expensive?
Did you price up the flight?
Yeah, I actually checked a specific flight I am interested in. It's a bit more expensive. I also wouldn't think that it would be cheaper at the travel agency than at the airline directly (in my case Lufthansa). Although the difference isn't big.
Are you talking about saving money on currency conversion / card fees or are you somehow quoted a price in EUR, but then when you try to book the flight it only let's you pay in THB at a higher price?! I guess for the former the long-term fix is to get one of the cards that doesn't charge any fees, for the latter you could try a VPN maybe ๐Ÿ˜ฌ
I mostly talk about currency conversion.
VPN doesn't work. I tried that several times, including in the past. They make it based from where your flight is starting from - in my case BKK. So they force me to pay in THB. I think most or all Airlines do that.
in addition to money back, you should be entitled to a compensation under EU regulation (around 600 EUR if I recall correctly). there are many intermediaries who will do it for you or you could file it on your own.
If you use a card that charges for currency conversion, don't you have that problem all the time then when booking anything abroad or just going to restaurants? ๐Ÿค” Anything stopping you from getting a card that doesn't charge for that? I believe in Germany options include revolut, N26, DKB and probably many more
If you cancel Light Economy ticket with Delta, do you get fly credits?
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