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All that said though, being a successful contractor requires a fairly specific mindset/skill set IMO so it's not for everyone
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Working a salaried office job is nice, if you leave when the time is up and don't bow down to unnecessary pressure from management to work more than 40 hours
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Although if the production servers are on fire it does make sense to stay late or work over weekend to fix that
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But then you can come in late the next day or take a day off etc
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Life at a company depends so much on the manager you work with and your other coworkers as well
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I have been lucky to work with some good managers.
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The difference is between friends and skilled professional friends. With freelance I could choose to work on what I wanted. That increased my profile value. So I was getting paid better than my friends. Now I have professional friends who get paid in same range. Work at good companies and work less. I am still working more and getting paid same. I can't aim higher as Indian companies have a limit. I almost reached that. Above that range, the work is inside companies. Not freelance. Working for companies outside India still seems like a distant dream. That would open up a different threshold though.
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Yeah that's be the ideal sort of freelance work if you can work with foreign clients
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It may be different for you. The hustle is constant.Not sure what's going to happen next. I have severe anxiety problem because of this.
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Depending on how much experience you have it should be fairly doable to get work from $50 to $100/hr or even more
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I'm sorry to hear that man. You've got to do what you feel is best for you and maybe that's taking a full time role, even just for a few months, so you can have a "reset" for a little bit?
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I am almost there to quit the hustle. What's holding back is I had some realizations by myself. I have learned to market. I have learned to sell. I have learned how to build things independent. I have learned how to network. So that what if is holding me back. What if my skills get better with time and I start a successful business later. I don't have any plans right now. With a job it would never be possible. The only thing that takes me back. Now I know what it takes to run a successful business. More blood and sweat than freelance. I am not sure I really want that in future. The conflicting thoughts are too much. ๐Ÿ˜ถ
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There seems to be some contradiction with foreign clients. Most Indian companies I have worked with never bat an eye about the rate. On other hand foreign clients think everything should be cheap in India. ๐Ÿ˜… I have been asked oh how can you charge this much when you live in a cost living location. This is for same rate. So I have been good closing deals with Indian companies. Ofcourse filtering is the key but this seems to be a pretty common pattern.
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The problem is probably I don't know what I want for myself. After finishing the current project. I am definitely taking a break for two weeks. I came here to take a break and ended up taking a new project because it was different than usual work.
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It sounds like you have learned many valuable things freelancing. These are traits that will make you a valuable employee, so remember that when you go, if you go, to negotiate a contract. You will be more proactive than you counterparts that have only been employees and this will make you a natural leader. This has value.
I don't envy the internal debate. It's not an easy choice. But I fully believe there are no wrong answers in life, only opportunities to grow and learn more. Freelancing or Employee, each have pros and cons. If you choose to be an employee for a while, and then come back to freelancing, you will have a different attitude about each.
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Do you need to advertise the fact that you live in India though? I imagine you could command a higher rate if you setup a company elsewhere (e.g. Singapore, the US) and ran your business out of there
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Not that I'm advocating being dishonest - if a client asks "where do you live" you should be truthful, but if you've got a Pte Ltd company or LLC I wonder how often that question would come up
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Yeah, having some space to take a break mentally is an important thing. I'm sure things will become clearer for you once you've done that
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Yeah I believe in being honest. Don't hide anything.
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I have thought about same. I will end up paying taxes at two places. In India if your company doesn't post any profits, you don't pay tax. So India to Singapore would work with one time tax but not other way.
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hvldqqaufmyq well if you don't live in India then you don't need to pay tax to India right?
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Have you heard of 3 flag theory?
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Country of citizenship, country of residence, and country where you earn your money
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With the right setup you don't pay much tax or any
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That's the thing. I don't want to leave from here. I had offers for Berlin and Amsterdam. I don't want to go out from here. Call me delusional but I believe future is here and I want to be part of it .
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The only downside I have encountered is its very difficult to setup and run businesses here. If you are starting from scratch. The system works against you. In developed countries even if you are competing with smartest pool. For example - I lost a month of contract money because client refused to pay. Even if they admit it's their fault. Can't take any legal action. As judicial system here is non existent for business. Only big corps can afford to go to courts.
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Has anyone set up a business in other country that their resident country and traveling at the same time?
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yes
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forming companies is easy, getting bank accounts is the more interesting/difficult part
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try mercury.io for banking if your biz is in the US your residence address doesn't have to be there.
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vosqznzqvuwj This is my personal opinion but I think the reason to go freelance is so that you have the ability to build a business where you can work less. If you are not working towards that and you are just doing freelance to survive, you will get screwed in the long run because more and more freelancers are coming on to the market. If you are doing working for hire and the IP is going to another company, that is almost identical to working for a company. I also don't necessarily agree with the security statements, it takes a long time to get there and the most financial security I had when I was younger was working for a company not the feast or famine that comes with freelancing. Having stable income while moonlighting is a strategy that was used by some now billionaires.

In terms of not getting paid, that is a leverage issue. Always get money up front and always keep leverage until you are fully paid. Unless you have worked with the customer for awhile.
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I'm not sure a US company would hire someone in India for the same price as a local freelancers. Just the timezone makes it complicated.
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izqgzwstweti Can you share what are the 'limit' rates that Indian companies are paying?
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$100 per hour seems like pretty hard to justify just for a timezone / practical sense honestly, unless it's for a pretty specialized knowledgeโ€ฆ
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I like that framing jrerkwewmuisiiypq for me it was about working less on nonsense and more on my own creative fun stuff in addition to being able to stop working whenever I'd like
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The top rate is 25-30$/hr. That's where you max out in Indian market. That's the same range salary Microsoft pays in India. I wasn't talking about 100/hr.
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Yeah, makes sense. I know a Pakistani who is working for American companies for $20/25 per hours.
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I guess that's what American companies expect to pay when working with India / Pakistan. It's probably not impossible to get 40/50 at some point, but probably not easy either.
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hello, everybody. i'm in the South Korea.(Seoul.)
try to have fun with your friends/co-worker/family indoors.
(my homework desk.)
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Agree with everything said above. Especially what xumvhalurneurnv and rhmoshdktawskszcr said ^^

I've had offers to work in London & earn way more than I do now. However, in order to take those jobs, I would be sacrificing the freedom freelance gives me. I went freelance for that freedom so I can't realistically see myself giving it up unless I was really struggling financially.

Freelance isn't for everyone and that's OK!
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Do you mean mercury.co/?
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that's the one
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Totally agree. And zvcodeksreofgdmxh made a really good point with moonlighting. Personally, since I don't plan to move for the foreseeable future, I do that and don't plan on quitting my day job up until working less hours and making more money with freelancing. Otherwise it's simply not worth it in my situation.
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Totally agree
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Totally agree
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Personally, I have a job and do freelancing/consulting on the side(Reference to the moonlighting point made by dwrarclfxttxe Since I don't plan on moving for the foreseeable future, the only way I'd quit my day job is by making around 30% more with freelancing(accounting for insurance, holiday, etc.) AND working less. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense in my current situation.
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Wow sounds great. I'm sure Heroku could run their whole platform for free off of Github, right? ๐Ÿ˜‚
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Saw this today! Loved it
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That was very satisfying
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โ˜๏ธ is a good reminder to (1) have a contract, and (2) put a "the work belongs to me until you pay me" clause in it
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hello there, i want to ask about postgres.
when the postgres install, postgis should be also?
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Only if you want to use geospatial functions
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PostGIS is not enabled by default, probably even needs to be installed separately
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qmqzunjygja utlodosmtsqkccit ahh..thank you. why use postgres isโ€ฆfor database. because TypeORM support for TypeScript. it'sโ€ฆi'm thinking it's super awesome. but MongoDB support is not great. )
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???
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Ok...
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Translated I use postgres because it has typeorm support, it's awesome but bad mongodb support
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TypeORM is good for CRUD type stuff, but as soon as you step outside of that it feels cludgy.
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I've been experimenting with `slonik` recently, and might just use that on the next project.
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Make SQL great again :)
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Does slonik work without webpack? Last time I checked the setup seemed sophisticated
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using pg-promise these days
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Not sure why it would need a webpack? It's a NodeJS library, works out of the box.
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There are also TS type definitions for it and a plugin to codegen TS types for actual query results (only after running the query once).
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I only played with it for a few minutes but something didn't work right off and then my attention was shifted elsewhere..
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I am striking out hard at meetups for networking in Atlanta
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ugh, one of my clients has recently started saying shit like "we need you to be available 24/7 in case of emergency because we pay you more than anyone else" and simultaneously being weeks late on invoice payments, and they're already my lowest rate client
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time to move on it seems
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they've really been trying to play up what my rate for them is, because recently they've been hiring a lot of devs from developing economies (and also then firing them shortly thereafter for the most part)
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Ouch. That smells like cash flow problems
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yeah it does
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Get out now. They're probably going to fold up in another six months to a year. ๐Ÿค”
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qnwffnzt have you tried the meetups app? I.ve not personally used it in ATL, but maybe?
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I have. That's where I'm getting these events.
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nusbpfkz might have better luck with facebook groups?
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when you say networking do you mean trying to find clients?
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I'm off Facebook :sunglasses:. I try to network without going in with a goal of a client, but yeah business networking.
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I don't think it's a reflection of Atlanta or meetups, just a bad run.
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tzmhrfizdlvhe Erik D Kennedy's course, right? I got that promo e-mail too. I've really enjoyed his e-mail series, I find them super helpful but it's hard to say if a newly released course at that price with no reviews is worthwhile
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Try asking in #_design , I think it was someone in that channel who recommended him as a resource originally
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Their certificates are recognized. They are legit.
www.interaction-design.org/about/people-behind
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xymhnnehaqevadaqe any personal experience with the courses? It seems a bit strange that something subscription based would have a course that is fully booked. Do i subscribe to the monthly fee and just wait for a spot to open up? ๐Ÿค”
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Also time restricted lessons ๐Ÿ‘Ž That aside, looks interesting - thanks for the link
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bvtssxs Part of it is there is a networking component www.interaction-design.org/community the other reason is that it is good UX design. Creating a sense of urgency is how you can get people to commit to actions. I would be rather odd if a UX school didn't use their own teachings for success.
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Also these are not tiny courses most of them take 10+ hours.
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One of the courses
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IBM and Adobe get their employees to take their courses.
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or I mean you can spend $700 on some dude with 16k followers who is just pricing it that way so his funnel works.
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Yeah, I saw digging through the FAQs that they do re-open courses weekly apparently.
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I actually haven't been to any of them but they have meetups that are well attended with like 30+ people.
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Hi! I need pricing advice. I have two clients which I was connected to through a creative recruiting agency last year. They're becoming on-going long term clients and both have recently asked if we should cut out the middle man and just start billing directly me->client. I'm not aware of how much margin this agency was taking from our project rate. How would you handle pricing in this situation? I'm assuming I can increase price here.
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is there any legal ramifications?
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they are probably taking 20-30% id say
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but also you may burn a bridge there too.. depending on how long youve worked with them
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dhewhpy Doesn't matter the exact percentage, and you can absolutely ask for more. Ask for what you're worth and what you can tell to the client with a straight face. They obviously want to work with you, and if the rate is acceptable they'll take it, or they'll offer to negotiate.

It's also a good time to put in rate increase schedules ๐Ÿ˜‰
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yes definitely do that
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what is a reasonable rate increase schedule, 10%? 15%?
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Thanks for the info. It's good to know the standard margin that these recruiters take. I do need to check my contract for legal ramifications, I believe since it's been 6+ months since the agreement I should be free to work with them independently.
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bywjbfg Check your contract, usually such things has some statement that you can't with their clients for like 6 months or so (that would be from the time you finish working not from the starting date)
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yep that's how I do it
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It's tricky because this agency was a good source of work for me this year but I had to put in some face to face time in-office for certain projects. And at this particular agency they don't have that many 100% remote opportunities, but these clients are fine continuing work with me now that I'm abroad again. So I dunno if I'm losing much from working less with the agency, as much as having clients sourced for me is great.
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will those clients be 5 year clients?
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if so, burn it. If they'll be 6mo clients, keep your pipeline
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Good succinct advice
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I'm a bit of an everyman, but people seem to think i talk good.
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if they found someone to replace you for $20/hr cheaper they would.. so be a business person and follow the money :)
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would like to revisit this question - what is a reasonable rate increase & at what frequency? and should a rate increase be associated with a skill expansion, e.g learned new programming language, my expertise costs more now?
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hello friend.
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inflation + 4%
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I hear inflation is like 20%โ€ฆ.
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It was 20% in the US if you check the last 10 years. I think it's about 2% yearly in the US
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I guess it's not really feasible to up your rate based on inflation if you're from Venezuela.
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If inflation would go up 20% every year, i means that stuff would be 20% more expensive then the year before.
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i heard govt/banks like to underreport inflation - so it's 2-3%, but real inflation can be closer to 5-6%
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lol 20%
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Rough rule is prices double every 20 year or so, the average is 3%.
inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Long_Term_Inflation.asp
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Germany made a really smart move on this They introduced the Euro ~20 years ago, and the conversion rate was roughly 2 DM -> 1 Euro. Now the prices are the same as they were before the Euro era, and I don't even notice most of the time ๐Ÿ˜น
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Apparently story points are better than hours for estimates.
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So give everything story points
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The tell everyone they need to get 40 story points of tasks completed per week facepalm
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but what is your story points based on? :open_mouth:
1 story point = 1 hour?
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No one knows lol
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It was just announced
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It feels like a case of throwing all your chairs away so that you are agile because now everyone stands up all the time
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then, how is the story points estimation process, when no one knows what it is based onโ€ฆ lol
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it doesn't make senses to have 40 story points(let said 1 hour = 1 story point) per week.
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Because time for stand-up meeting, whatever meeting is not on the kanban/scrum board, you are spending more time than averages.
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That's why I told my clients, the most I can work for is 30hours per week, due to too many uncertainty reasons are reducing the working hours.
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Need to change the color of our check out buttons. It's gonna 200 story points because I'm going to do it one handed, standing on one foot, while wearing a Guy Fawkes mask and hanging out in the middle of the Hong Kong protests and live-streaming the whole thing
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Com'on! What an epic story that'll be!
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story points are only meant for estimating complexity of the user story.. when you break down the user story into sub tasks (if any), you can assign hour estimates on the sub tasks
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the story points thing is only meant to be a helpful trick for our subjective wetware to make slightly better estimates
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Honestly, that does make a bit of sense. You make up some arbitrary number for the total, and divvy off what you think the sub-tasks will be. The hours are irrelevant, but the "story" has a value that not intrinsic to the hours, but if they are to the business goals
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You peel off certain high value goals - that's the importance. Eff the hours
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I have yet to discover a company with that much money though ๐Ÿค‘
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(or foresight)
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Then how you value `everyone need to get 40 story points of tasks completed per week`?
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If story points are not time-related.
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nerpyke If the managers creating the story get to rank them by business value, the team leads subdivide the story points to tasks, the "resources" (I despise that word) then peel off the points from the tasks
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there's supposedly some correlation on story points and developer velocity, but only after doing a few sprints, and anyways it changes all the time unless the team is exactly teh same and working on the exact same thing etc
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i guess the whole story planning + planning out number of tasks based on average developer velocity thing is the only part of XP/agile stuff that i've never been quite sure actually works or not
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"1 out of 8 people can't check out in Asia, for some godawful reason" - Bug with 50 story points. Team lead says "Diagnosis" 40pts. Resolution, prereq Diagnosis "10pts"
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Even if working 60-70 hours for 40 story points is fine?
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per week
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If it takes you a day. Go home. You just saved a few hundred thousand per day.
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xysuftq no, that's a core tenant of agile.. not going over 40 hours of work a week
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suppose average developer velocity happens to be 10 and there's 4 on the team, and so they could theoretically hit 40 story points for the week
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Velocity means "doing shit I already know"
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What if you get handed a hot plate of "Nobody's ever done this, or pulled this off, but we think it's technically possible"
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haha yeah
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that's where 1 story gets 20+ story points
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and then has to be broken down into multiple stories
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cuz anything larger than 20 is considered infinite
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Again, I really like the idea of story points being totally independent of hours, but reflective of business goals. (Also, to remove the quota osvkjpyqvgwebxfnu mentions, which is pointless in that scenario)
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It sounds like, everyone need to finish 40 story points from debdukebpzsqffpnb thread.
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yeah the quota is silly unless they somehow know "oh all the devs hit 40 points the last 4 weeks.. we can probalby hit it this week too"
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Yeah, certain teams... I can see having a quota, but low and dynamic
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They've never done story points before
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don't worry, they're pros!
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they know what they're doing
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HahA
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HAHA
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Like the Reporting or QA teams, or internal biz dev software that's the bread and butter development
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do any of you folks like pair programming?
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Yeah, actually I do uhyiztcaz
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Depends on the meat bag sitting next to you though
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(They're thinking the same thing)
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I like the idea of story points being totally independent of hours. It seems like harder to do this in freelance world?

Unless you are working for a team for a longer term contract.
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Because the developer velocity calculation needs to improve overtime.
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Story points being completely independent of hours likely wouldn't work outside the salaried full time world
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... and a company with resources
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Story points COULD work excellent in a small biz that has high revenue share though
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People are motivated for the business to succeed, and if the story points reflect business goals... everyone wins
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If you have your own product, this definitely makes sense.
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Definitely. I wonder if anyone's ever tried this?
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Did we just invent FUAgileDIAF?
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FUADIAF
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I am working on MVP product as a freelancer and never work for a company long-term. So no chances to try that.
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I too contract. I'm considering firing a client because they're too cheap to spend $150 a week to make THEIR client pleased ๐Ÿ˜›
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what is `FUADIAF`? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
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Fuck You Agile Die In A Fire
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Borrowing from two commons FU and DIAF
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"We're using the Fooahhdiaeff method. Are you familiar?"
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"Looking for developers with 5 years FUADIAF experience"
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I'm going to write an ebook
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For me, the real agile is Priority Kanban with hours as story points (estimate and spend, separated).
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And believe in the team to set their own estimation, when they "pledged" to take the card.
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There are core tenenats to FUADIAF:
-- Hours are not tracked
-- Business goals are ranked by points, and sub-divided into tasks by experienced leaders only
-- Revenue sharing
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revenue sharingโ€ฆ ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
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Not just rev share. You get your salary, AND rev share
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(fixed it)
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Just rev share is reddit /choosingbeggars shit
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I see, this is good for blockchian related company.
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Good for every company
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The wealth gap is increasing... It's a way to make a nice dent in that
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I'd think a FUADIAF company could draw in top talent worldwide
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Using Public/Stackholder Votes count to decide the story points(important-ness)
When tasks are votes Yes, goes into the agile board.
Dev get incentives from the votes stack when they do the task(sub-task).
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Incentives in whatever "no-value" alternative cryptocurrencies/tokenโ€ฆ. ๐Ÿ˜›
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Yes, the story point allocation is by experienced business leaders, but weighted by experienced "tech lead" (or equivalent) leaders who can identify points of inefficiency
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I should change that to:
-- Business goals are ranked by experienced business leaders, and department scale weighted by team leaders
-- Experienced technical team leaders sub divide points into tasks
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Seriously though, I wonder if anyone's tried this. eofjlbitmrpzjw You might know?
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(might need some scrollback, sorry)
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I wouldn't actually use the word "agile" maybe "scrum", most good dev these days actually do most of the things from the original agile manifesto - source control, code reviews, etc.. actually it even says "people over process" which always ends up as a major blind spot lol
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and even as a developer myself i kind of feel inclined towards process over people in some ways, unfortunately scrum process etc is way too heavy
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Agile seems like process crammed down my throat for the benefit of managers... Not the product, me or the business
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yeah that's like the overloaded term
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i mean original agile is literally just this www.agilemanifesto.org
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agile was made up for the developers by the developers ๐Ÿ˜‰
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then it got ruined by managers, and then that's how scrum etc came about
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Yup, and I utterly despise all of that because it's usually done piss poor
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I guess this is what I always think of when I think of "Agile" blog.cleancoder.com/uncle-bob/2013/12/10/Thankyou-Kent.html
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i think of the original/good intentions not the warped scrum/etc version
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Yeah, but it's getting into this mess
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I don't know how to word it, but... It's again, more about the managers than anything
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Usually bad managers
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I have never seen this actually executed in real life
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But I'm an Everyman who has modest exposure to projects.
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My startup for 10 years has been making a todo mvp generator for cobol
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I've done lots of both
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Story points only make sense when management 'gets' scrum
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Story points require some burn through iterations so that the team and other stakeholders can see what velocity means and what the velocity is for a given team
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It also requires re-jiggering when the team changes
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And management group that sees scrum as iterative project management best use hours
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Agile and scrum are getting conflated above
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Points are originally a scrum invention
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Agile covers a very broad space of dev workflows
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Let's see if my links work today
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xbqupafr yeah, but in practice at most companies neither agile nor scrum have any meaning other than whatever someone in management thinks it means
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Well sure. Same is true for any language ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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but i mean, for some things it _can_ happen, but for scrum/agile they are basically meaningless phrases now because you'll run into like .5% of people who understand and literally no one else has any clue
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it's basically the jabberwocky of software development now
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take a bunch of words, give them whatever meaning you want, and bam!
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txwvngmh points are a XP (eXtreme Programming) invention, not scrum at all
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the only parts scrum invented was the job creation of having scrum masters and trianing
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Extreme programmings feather is pair programming
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Check out the iteration planning page on extremeprogramming org site
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>Planning poker is a variation of the Wideband delphi method. It is most commonly used in agile software development, in particular in Scrum and Extreme Programming.

>The method was first defined and named by James Grenning in 2002[1] and later popularized by Mike Cohn in the book Agile Estimating and Planning,[2] whose company trade marked the term [3] and a digital online tool.[4]
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i guess technically neither scrum or XP invented it ๐Ÿ˜‰
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Planning poker doesn't dictate the units, only the method. Check out that page on the extreme programming dot org site
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So โ€ฆ
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Client is stiffing me and have been slow to respond. Questioned my hours and also weren't a whole lot into responding to Slack messages in a timely manner
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I was willing to compromise with them but now I think I'll just go for the full amount
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Fun times
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Bah
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Contracts are your friend
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but still a bummer to deal with
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Oh yeah. They are like, why did this take so long? Well, it did, and we agreed on an hourly. If that's a problem it should have been project based
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Ironically, contracts don't always help. I've had clients bail on contracts before and if they're under a certain amount, it's hardly worth time to chase them
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If it's a tiny amount you can do small claims court for free. But if it's a small amount like $2-3k it's probably more of a hassle to go through the legal procedure than it's worth. It's not until it's 10k+ it starts being worth the time and expense to collect.
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That's our F'd up legal system, I guess
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Basically that
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And also just being super slow in laying out the lay of the land
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I was like "I got delayed because I might realize at 2PM that I needed something from one of your guys and I couldn't get it before 7PM" - "Well, certainly you're not billing us for those 5 hours in between?"
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Who else would I bill for those 5 hours?
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Arght
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Yesterday night "Can we talk tonight" - nope, I have literally already ended my workday. Today morning became today night for no discernable reason
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yah
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i have one of those
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they insist on same day calls with no warning
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i'm firing them, but slowly
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so, my advice just contact the CEO and ask for full payment
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you _do_ have a ceo-level relationship, right?
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you're doing global consulting so i presume so
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I have a fun client right now who sells solutions for less than what they take to implement
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The team has the worst case of "never turn down any client" I've ever seen ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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I worked at one of those before. ๐Ÿ˜ฌ
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Had one horror story of doing a website redesign for hospital that was quoted at $15k and would take about a month. Ended up taking almost a year and a half, but was still charged only $15k for it.
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Needless to say, they went out of business eventually. ๐Ÿ™„
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Barring a major change, that's the trajectory here too
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I completely understand the pains of cash flow. Been there, done that with a bootstrap business. But this is not that.
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This is a psychological need to keep saying "yes"
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nijlwdmiwjinij I am not sure I understand billing the 5 hours you were blocked. Unless it is a daily rate? I thought you would stop work and resume when unblocked by the other team member?
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zlqvcnc perhaps he wasn't completely blocked for those 5 hours and could do some minor things
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or if he specifically blocks off time for them
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It sucks but I would not bill either unless that person is dedicated to provide me things needed on the go that noone could plan for and get ahead of time. If that person has other tasks to do in their day, I would not expect to be provided with what I need right away. There are many variables here, but Id mostly plan my work ahead and ask for stuff needed way ahead of time. And if the above situation occurs I'd try to fill in my time with other tasks (theirs, other clients or personal projects) so I do mot loose the time.
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Same
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I bill waiting time in meetings
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but not in life, unless you tell me "you have to drop everything and be ready the second this arrives", in which case you're getting charged while i sit around twiddling my thumbs
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if you book a meeting and no-show, you're getting billed
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but otherwise, I agree with wgwihignqi you can't bill for the time between one unit of work and another.. if it had been 4 days, would you have billed 'em 4 days?
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eqwuencoenmdg your doing hourly and a project payment at a same time? How is that working out? I've been listening some podcast on value based pricing, but have hard time wrapping my head around it.
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no, he stated that it wasn't project based
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unless you mean different projects
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It's just about why the project is delayed. And also I'm just annoyed at having to have had my work broken up
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But yeah, I got in through the CEO but he's been stingy from the beginning
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Yeah, it is difficult to work comfortably when clients are a bit too budget conscious that they're over scrutinizing how you spend your hours. tqftmgoouemmos
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dstaolfqeflilb yeah i'll agree with bnvowiklwb that it doesn't make sense to charge for the time between 2pm and 7pm assuming it wasn't a meeting or on-call situation
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but it does make sense to charge for the full hour if you worked part of the time before hitting the blocker
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Oh yeah. It's just been annoying to deal with
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pfuayriuuzxpah I also heard where are companies which buy unpaid invoices, of course you would only get cents on the dollar but it might be worth to look into it, even if just for threatening cases "Send an email saying that unless the invoice is paid it will be sold to COMPANY_NAME" company name probably has much more money to throw on legal than you so they will get that money back one way or the other, so your client might choose to settle it silently with you instead
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sjanaltbat If that's true, I have a backlog of old invoices I need to offload. I don't care if I get $0, I'll do it just so someone else will hassle them for nonpayment
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rpfltpvvwhqx That should definitely be a thing for US (because they love suing people) so I'm sure you should be able to find such companies - I'm not sure where I seen this advice but it was definitely mentioned a few times in those "client isn't paying what to do" kind of articles. Might be harder for non-US countries.
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Factoring companies
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Most countries have them
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EU too
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well, factoring has a modest discount because its generally good debt
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Yep exactly. Eg u get 70% of the invoice, they have 20% odds they don't get the money and 10% profit margin roughly
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30% does not in any way sound like a "reasonable" discount
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Who the fuck are you working for that you've got a 20% probability of any given invoice not being paid
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The idea of factoring is that you only sell them the invoices you've given up on
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You obvi don't factor all your invoices
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But it depends

Typical Invoice Factoring Rates
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But they usually pay 70% advance
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ah okay that makes sense
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anyone have experience with amazon mturk to affect google search results?
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juzoappwulb that sounds like one of those blackhat get people to search for a term and click your result type deals?
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yes it does aouatzcfojzuv
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jpghyogkhuydo what kind of advice are you looking for? Personally I freelanced while working on my own project until my project could support me. It is rare, though not impossible, to scale up a new product quickly enough to support you off the bat unless you can secure some kind of funding.
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xutbgjjpnzv pretty sure it violates Mturk ToS
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ah, rankbrain influencing
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interesting
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isn't that a bit 2018?
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pls no blackhat bs here thx kindly ๐Ÿ˜
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isn't this what the reputation services do?
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not sure about people's aversion to discussing blackhat stuff
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but it has certainly kept me from learning about it
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reminds me of gun control
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only criminals get guns when there's laws against ownership
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Because it's nicer to build a business in ethically responsible fair ways and you'll feel better about yourself in the long run, at least I do
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I'm not saying I'm planning to build a business around this
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And it's playing a short term game with Google you'll lose any way
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Long term building a site that converts which people like to visit will remain high ranking on Google regardless of algo changes
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And people will like you for making it
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Those are non-sequiturs with respect to why we're not allowed to discuss it.
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Ah ok, it's in the guidelines
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guidelinesโ€ฆ right
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Of this site I mean
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Because when I arrived in Chiang Mai in 2013 everyone I met was doing shady shit and I got sick of that
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CM is full of those types
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And it left a bad taste and makes digital nomads / remote workers look shady
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So my entire goal has been try get cool people to go DN / remote and make cool shit
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Not blackhat stuff
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That's why it's in my guidelines
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I lived in CM for 6mo and never talked to a single nomad, except some I previously knew, by accident.
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this question was sparked by a friend asking me if mturk could be used to help something that happened to his reputation
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I don't wanna have dinner with people who tell me how to this shady thing to rank on Google, I wanna have dinner with people that inspire me because they do rly cool stuff that's net beneficial to the world
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Yeah
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who has benefited the world the most out of your meetings?
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Meetings?
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I mean, what did they do.
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Ooh
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inhale co2? ๐Ÿ˜›
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Anyone who did anything creative that helped someone do something easier for ex while they get paid for it
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Rephrasing...
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using mturk to manipulate google qualifies as creative haha
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ok
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pretty broad
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I like what hvhgtnoujrtl does with ghost.org
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Interesting to hear various definitions of waht is beneficial to today's world
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He's a friend
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ah, I do use ghost for a project
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good to know
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And his mission is to create the best open source content platform for independent creators
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That kinda stuff
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Doesn't have to be CO2 :D
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co2 part was a joke
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idk how anyone still believes it is bad
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its plant food
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Even the founder of Patreon I met
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Anyway lots of ppl
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right
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just curious :)
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re definitions of what is good for the world
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I think in terms of blackhat with search stuff the act of misleading is where it gets bad
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PS sites like Booking.com I find highly misleading and dark patterns
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rohawntzchz I am not sure if you are joking or not, but the issue is that the C02 consumption capabilities by plants does not meat our output. Saying C02 is plantfood is equivalent to saying we should just leave shit everywhere because some insects eat it.
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If plants were efficient at scrubbing C02, we wouldn't have build up.
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not joking, I think you're brainwashed
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not worth discussing since you've obviously not searched for information opposing your view
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K.
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Screw black hat crap. Hooray for selfishly making the internet experience worse for everyone else.
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Also injecting random subjects like gun control and climate change in a provocative manner is trolling 101.
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That's not trolling, you are brainwashed. Not even really worth discussing really since you've obviously not searched for information opposing your view.
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nice! that's my plan as soon as I have a decent product idea again
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See that's what happens when you start discussing blackhat, turns into chaos ๐Ÿ˜‚
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Best of luck! Exciting times ahead.
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The emotional reactions are mostly from me poking at climate change.
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"co2 is plant food and therefore nothing to worry about" is a 2nd-grade level take though
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Don't feed the troll ๐Ÿคช
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Anyone have had fun with AB5 when working with California companies?
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welp, client informed me that they are now going to ignore invoice due dates if that due date is less than 1 month into the future
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seytyjicmeymrxnbx lame.. you can inform them you've developed time travel abilities and invoice them ahead of time for a predicted amount plus buffer, and then you'll refund them or credit them with the unused hours later ๐Ÿ˜‰
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hah, well this is the same client that has been falling behind on their invoices and hiring much cheaper devs (who's work I end up cleaning up)
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Do you feel like they'd abandon you and leave you unpaid at some point? I wonder if you could negotiate an alternate structure like pay first before work is fine
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S/fine/done
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I don't think they would, I've worked with them for years, but communication has gotten much worse after a reorganization
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net 30 is pretty standard
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especially for consulting/contracting. Large engagements with large companies will have longer, more specialized terms.
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That's only if you're a US resident/citizen right?
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kypejzfafnohhlufd They do seem to be collecting red flags, personally I would try to think of some ways to try to limit possible damages.
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Not sure, hence the question
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Ah, ok, I'd also like the answer to that ๐Ÿ˜› But I think so, because non US residents/citizens can't be employed since they'd need a working visa. The way I understood the law was designed to protect the local gig economy workers (Uber etc), not foreign citizens.
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I looked at it and it seems there's an exemption for engineers and a bunch of other professions. Development falls somewhere in between there and since there's few requirements to be a developer it's hard to imagine it being covered by the engineer excemption
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The longest time I took to get paid by a large company was 6 months.
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I effectively used a few times "OK, no problem, but I will only resume work after the invoice is paid", that seems to improve the response time of getting your invoice time paid, but it feels like an "assholy" move and you have to be willing to not work during some time (which depending on your financials can be tricky)
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Yes, except they changed unilaterally from Net15
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Sounds like there shouldve been a conversation in there instead of yanking the timeline
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mmhmm
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This is the very reason I always quote project fees in multiples of my hourly rate. It sets a precedent for not getting screwed in these situations.
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(assuming this is truly out of scope as mentioned above)
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You should not charge for you to learn or problems you create in general.
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I feel like 80% of my projects are agreements on things that I can't do currently, but going to learn if a client pays me. That's a great way to learn something new and get it done.
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I feel like the skill to learn something fast, quickly debug something, is valuable and should be at a cost.
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I just tell them what I donโ€™t know and I have to learn for them when working on their project. No objection so far
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I feel like I don't get paid because I know things but rather I am able to figure things out.
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Yep, to which a strange question that luckily I get less and less is "Have you ever worked with [insert codebase/technology] before?"
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You can theoretically bill for anything you want. However, if something would take an experience programmer 10-15 hours, and you quote 30-50 because you need to learn, you can screw yourself over in the long run. Bigger companies often get multiple quotes and if you quote like a junior, you will look like a junior.
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a junior might take more hours to do the job but charges times less per hour ๐Ÿ˜‰
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It's just so relative.
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i think the demand/supply matters too.. the dev might have too much work, so they can't reduce rates even when spending the time learning the new bits
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I am having a difficulty writing a third person bio for myself. I am freelance frontend developer. Mostly specific to React, React Native and some NodeJs work. Any help is appreciated.
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ogwzakvlpejt why not first person? More modern and honest
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yzjnneqjsp That would do as well. People tell me all the time that I need a better bio on my site. Current bio - "I provide freelance services specializing in frontend development. I started my frontend career with AngularJs and right now working with ReactJs. I'm also familiar with other frontend frameworks. I build MVPs, prototypes. I believe in choosing best tool for the job. I build backends using NodeJs and NoSql databse MongoDb."
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the best tool*
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database*
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MongoDB
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NoSQL
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ReactJs -> React
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AngularJS
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Seems good
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Thank you. Will fix that.
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Personally dislike making whole sentences which only content is a buzzword like React. Would put your specializations and maybe a mission statement first, moving most of the buzzwords into a list at the end
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โ€œHelping clients iterating faster by building full stack prototypes using the node ecosystem. Passionate about X. <insert buzz word blob here>โ€
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A bit confused, you first say front end and then mention Node and Mongo, so are you full stack?
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Frontend focused with a gentle hint of "Node and Mongo." I can do usual Crud stuff. Not complex backends because I didn't get a chance yet.
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Move the current work to the beginning...the reader is more interested in what you do now than how you started. Imagine your most impatient reader and write for that person.
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I don't know if it possible, but I wouldn't include any buzz words. It would be more like "I am a versatile Javascript programmer that has built <project>, and <project> which accomplished <objectives>"
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The best CTOs won't really care what you have used because good developers can use anything.
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^^ in regards to above, this is actually no longer needed.
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Someone shared a proxy company thing from Ireland awhile back, similar to Iglu. Does anyone remember what that was?
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Nevermind, found it. >https://winglio.com/>
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Have a remote position available in my company (Thomson Reuters) requires XML and at least 3 years of c# or Java experience. If interested, reach out to me.
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What do you mean?
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there's this too >https://www.xolo.io/>
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no personal experience with them
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Hey guys, a friend of my is asking how do you work remotely while creating or editing videos? Where do you find clients or sell stuff?
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knxtpfyhwkhl same as non remote
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People refer you etc
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kylrcxertkmd do you mean editing videos for money, or working while making travel videos?
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Both can apply. Letโ€™s say editing
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Its rough especially if you care about quality. Editing travel videos consumes so much time. You will need to travel with multiple external drives, an external mic, and for speed you might want to pick up a cheap second monitor.
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Doesnโ€™t sound fun ๐Ÿ˜•
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I have met editors on the road, however if you are planning to make a living off travel videos, it can take years before you make even ok money as everyone and their dog is doing it now.
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Inspirational travel videos are a dime a dozen, so you would need a gimmick.
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Yeah, sounds reasonable, thank you ๐Ÿ‘Œ
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Anyone here use >https://termageddon.com/> ?
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Think it is necessary?
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I had a meeting with my lawyer and I asked about terms of use, privacy etc.. she informed to date there has only ever been one case involving privacy data collection in canada (in reference to getting people to accept terms)
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I think even gdpr has a process of escalation.
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Ah thanks
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Seems like it
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yo, someone just "Best, <their name>" me, how do I get my revenge?
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should I go for a "Warm Regards"?
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tbh, my instinct is always "Cheers", even in professional contexts!
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Regards, <your name>
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they might be warm or cold, youโ€™ll never tell
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noice, i'll make it secretly warm
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hurusbyys itโ€™s old, but >http://27bslash6.net|27bslash6.net> is passive-aggressive masterclass. Try this 1๏ธโƒฃ >http://www.27bslash6.com/p2p.html>
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gqchnlpcwfhumswgt Did yo visit my site ? or you are talking about the bio itself ?
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The bio itself
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ok
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Everything I know about client management I learned from that website.
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Anyone doing ionic?
I might have a small project, Iโ€™m making vue.js PWA website and client would like to have it as iOS and Android app as well.
Might consider alternatives as well.
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Ups, moving to #_jobs-talk
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I see lot of freelance gigs for three/four months in Berlin/London. How much trouble it is for companies to sponsor a working visa for someone in short time? Also I am told it takes like two weeks for Amsterdam if you have an offer.
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iqjvuqrsjdmq You probably should make sure they will sponsor you, because I think they might usually be targeting EU citizens so they would not have to deal with visas and stuff
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Most won't do it for London, the UK visa routes are a nightmare and short-term gigs are usually looking for UK/EU people with automatic right to work if it's requiring you to be f2f
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Berlin/other EU/EEA would be easier.
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Okay so the UK visas are out of question. Most I know are looking for EU people. My question was if they were to bring in people from outside in EU. How much trouble it is? How much does it cost and timeline. I see you don't need to sponsor but provide only an offer later. My question was from the point that if I am willing to relocate for short contracts how much trouble it would be for companies.
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I would say that do you care how much trouble it will be for companies... if they are willing to deal with "import" someone they probably already checked requirements for it/etc and have departments that deals with that stuff ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
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lwqiaiqntp See the thing is not all details are always included. If I know about this stuff, I can pitch in that variation. Hey that I am willing to be there for few months for this much. If that's acceptable and they don't have to do anything. I don't see why not. This way I probably I will probably get to see Europe for long time.
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Iโ€™d like to know more about thisโ€ฆdid you take an existing product and improve it? Or is this your own product that youโ€™re hoping to get buy-in/resources from a larger entity? Or is it a portfolio piece that underscores your various disciplines?
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upulayiwbflt if youโ€™d like to see Europe, you might try to apply for a โ€œFreelance Visaโ€ in Berlin.
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zfegesloh Thanks for the suggestion. Can you apply for that for short time like say six months?
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iโ€™m not experienced with it as i donโ€™t need a visa for schengen. Just know it exists.
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There is a Facebook Group which might answer all your questions >https://web.facebook.com/groups/germanfreelancevisa/>
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Thank you.
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Anyone here using "Xolo Go" for their freelancing? Any experiences? >https://www.xolo.io/go>
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(formerly LeapIN)
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Its not yet public, only waitlist open ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
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