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yvgbcnx3mo
Can a non-native speakers suggest how do you advance your English apart of just using it?
Especially speaking and writing parts. Did you try some advance grammar courses/books?
I can use English in everyday life without a problem, but I feel a big gaps sometimes if I try to explain something more complicated or write an articles in a more enjoyable way.
yhufiyjn3mo
rupidedd Iโ€™m monolingual, never learned another language properly yet, so feel free to ignore my suggestions.. one suggestion might be to read out loud some complicated parts in a book, get used to speaking the complex terminology perhaps
oxzoyxvv3mo
As for writing in an interesting way, maybe if you have some role models, some examples of writing that you aspire to, could try comparing against that somewhat
ojduzawv3mo
Thereโ€™s an app called Hemingway that might help with writing nicely a bit
dndnkazg3mo
Good writing takes many drafts.. and lots of editing
ilbrqjhy3mo
So some patience and going back and editing your writing multiple times
wovuaomp3mo
Maybe over months or years ๐Ÿ˜‰
ulahdmg3mo
Nice advices thank you!
zmeywgl3mo
And thanks for the app, never heard about it before
vodprpntu3mo
vqvuwlji get a native coach preferrably American with neutral accent who highlights what you're mispronouncing
gfpjalris3mo
If you need better knowledge of words/speaking, sorry the best way is actual IRL practice
sozubpquy3mo
There's no shortcuts
kjyjjmqdm3mo
My speaking English drastically improved when I started traveling to UK when I was DJ
tfggioqac3mo
Like decade ago
bluntch3mo
Hmm, good idea about the coach, is there any coach aggregators?
zvoyefvem3mo
Then again improved when traveling in general
grqzzed3mo
Yeah it could be a problem Iโ€™m always in non-english countries
wgxrnjxwa3mo
3 months living in US also will help
gzgfxaz3mo
and mostly speaks with non-natives
kvmwdcjcj3mo
No but just google there's loads of online services now
kwbehldkp3mo
Usually u do video call
dlyrkzntm3mo
Actually that is nice practice
tlpnvqlt3mo
jmeskcibqh an American with a neutral accent is typically called a Canadian
ewujcakc3mo
I heard Korean schools love English teachers from Canada due to the neutral accent heh
uajuwvvys3mo
gdabudnhg yeah I heard ppl say that but every Canadian I met says aboot
ttymfknbw3mo
Not neutral to me at all
ubkcaduth3mo
Canadians sound weird
qmfakupz3mo
Maybe eastern Canadians say that
qzxutdvxt3mo
Californian is neutral
gidnobmsy3mo
Canadians in general they all have some funky tones
chkskuto3mo
French Canadian say aboot
smjhkijv3mo
Rather than about
xlrtmedou3mo
I heard English Canadian too
mjfeuxodh3mo
They all sound weird
bsplznjrq3mo
But Koreans obsessed with Canada
zftbwcnl3mo
Usually accent of tv anchormen = Canadian accent
aranqrvt3mo
Very neutral
rozirfrqo3mo
California English > Canadian English > American English
msgrnwmfc3mo
Interesting perspective
gfouvpehq3mo
You're USian?
ptiagqwm3mo
Nah Canadian.. honestly Iโ€™m just talking out of my ass based on what my dad told me, he also taught English in Korea for a year back in 2000
slchhjb3mo
for finding a coach/tutor i've really loved italki
usrxamljtygb3mo
Interesting that Californian English is considered the neutral US variant. I wonder if that's because all the media that foreigners consume is made there
lazwfaagvhll3mo
Growing up in the states, the Midwest accent was my "neutral"
lpmfdb3mo
Iโ€™m assuming that idea of californian english being the standard is due to hollywood media as well (no idea?). I donโ€™t think they have a neutral accent - itโ€™s a distinct californian accent
pwpucn3mo
Side thought - would listening to audio books narrated by a neutral-accent native speaker be a good alternative? bulbbulbbulb
lehezl3mo
Gives you extended one on one time listening to a native speaker
kqjafgvco3mo
California is the melting pot of all accents from anywhere
dqhjczdqs3mo
LA girl isn't neutral obvi
humrguimk3mo
But general Californian would be for me
yssewntev3mo
That's what I call American
muozxepih3mo
But I'm euro
giqcjdlcf3mo
So TLDR Europeans think California is neutral and Americans think Canadian is neutral
pyirykkxgtdgm3mo
SoCal has a distinct accent
egafzbgt2mo
So I've been looking at some language schools courses and one thing I notice is they're all kind of trying to make things easy/fun for the average learner, get them speaking a few words right off the bat etc
khbdnlcx2mo
but I was kind of thinking it'd be interesting to have a course that spent several months on just the hardest parts up front
ukfvyewu2mo
things like tones, pronunciation, listening, etc
zxaegtxs2mo
for thai language w/ 5 tones, i wonder if spending a month or two on nothing but tones & the thai script language up front would pay off in the long run, don't even spend any time learning any words for example
vqwhfikx2mo
most people learning a second language end up speaking more of a pidgin because of the lack of time spent drilling on the hard parts perhaps
rmmdqebg2mo
they end up too focused on vocabulary and not on fundamentals?
tqcxqiivchnmu2mo
I know a girl here who does English language instruction, and she was telling me the first thing she does is work with tonality, and reproducing the tones of words before starting on the actual words. She claims it makes learning and reproducing the language far easier
tcuksxt2mo
kinda depends on what you mean by "language schools" but what i've observed from learning spanish/hanging out places where people are learning spanish is that most of the people attending "spanish schools" are tourists
xosjtik2mo
a relatively low percentage are really pushing to _actually_ learn to speak the language
mhlbqhdhjxd2mo
Iโ€™m preparing for IELTS atm. Whatโ€™s the best app in your opinion to memorize new words?
fqhilbzy2mo
zrzjyhugv Have you read Fluent Forever by Gabriel Wyner? He advocates for exactly that approach learning the sounds and alphabet of a language before anything else. I actually built a (very limited) website to help me learn the Thai tones after reading the book.
mmpnbzxo2mo
jyoxgwyon haven't heard of it, will check it out
xvqqmthr2mo
is your website still up? ๐Ÿ˜‰
uoqtomlx2mo
oh that's funny, i already had that page open
jyxhixjw2mo
Cool man, hopefully it's somewhat useful. I haven't touched it in about 18 months but keep meaning to add some male speakers
rwgmlzzk2mo
hello! any Chinese learners around?
ecseonpidiho2mo
Awesome site! Wish I found it before I started to learn Thai. Thai people still don't know what I'm trying to say sometimes, and has been one of the bigger hurdles in learning Thai
qxhakjd2mo
zakaclayg Yes, albeit somewhat slowly and without a formal system in place ๐Ÿ˜›
bhgxfoku2mo
hioqytty I also learn by myself, can't deal with structured classwork. A few apps/services and language exchange. The language exchange is the hardest and the best for me
fhinxvv2mo
Yeah, I do that some of the time and it can be quite brutal. I have a few Chinese-speaking friends who speak zero English whatsoever.
rehimuv2mo
Do you have any recos for apps/services? I use Pleco for flash cards and as a dictionary, pretty much anything else I tried wasn't useful (partly because I'm learning traditional characters, which Duolingo doesn't support).
xcgkiylv2mo
For flashcards/dictionary Trainchinese. I am too new here, so can't paste the link...easy to find in google tho
npvppkyz2mo
they support both traditional and simplified characters
qhquoeoj2mo
add some card, learn and then they will come back in the following days at set intervals. Great for drilling
tyjjcwjq2mo
Du Chinese graded reading, also simplified and traditional chars
afaokonk2mo
HelloChinese kind of duolingo but better in my opinion. It brings some grammar explanations to it, super helpful. The free version goes to a HSK2/3 level, so not bad at all
pbeibvcd2mo
Trainchinese has a "sister app" for listening audio Trainchinese. You can import the cards you are learning and listen to them while walking around
mydkruzl2mo
When I felt like getting lessons to work on conversation I use italki, the teacher was superb and quite affordable at 8USD/half hour of conversation
xqvdexm2mo
Cool, I'm gonna jot these suggestions down
uggvhmhk2mo
enjoy ๐Ÿ™‚
kwdadwgx2mo
i was in taiwan last year when i first started learning and found that people where super happy to try to understand what I was trying to say
ozzjgpnk2mo
it took a mentalist to understand me, yet they didn't complain and smiled and encouraged all the way
rnxubwf2mo
I've found an anki set called spoonfed chinese to be really useful
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I've found, the best thing to do is brush up on how something is pronounced... Then just go there and try to live in a country that speaks the language
atospgwvvecma22d
Schools teach you to translate... Your language to another language. So, you'll always run that extra step

Learning through immersion, like a baby would, you learn to tie into the actual (symbolic link in your brain) of a language
mdxzxpmw18d
Glad to know you want to learn Spanish.blush
bhlkeshv18d
tnszsz What resources are you currently using?
mfmhe18d
Download Web free app for study
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