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Wrote about my productivity habits
divu.in/productivity-systems

What are your favorite ways to be productive, happy to chat about that over a call or async :)
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The area I live in is pretty quiet area for Mexico, but there's still some noise from a busy street and store nearby. I'm finding headphones definitely are increasing my feeling of productivity. I feel less tense
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I've been using [email protected] for some time now and highly recommend it
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time disappears
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Hm, they have a 1 week trial. Is there a PC/Web version?
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yeah there's a web player
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and a mobile app
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Nice. that'd do the trick. My nice Bluetooth headphones are usually paired up to the laptop
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Switching conns is just a chore, sadly
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I exclusively use their station called "Uptempo"
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I use brain dot fm which I like
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They had an AppSumo deal way back when that is 🔥
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I recently found this one mubert.com/
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Still testing but seems good once all the music starts to annoy me (because you heard it hundreds of times)
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I can't remember but that actually might have been how I subscribed, I remember that. 😂
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Coders, what tools do you use to be productive on the road?

I use VSCODE on my MacBook Pro 15". That's it. Want to use my iPad Pro, but haven't found a smooth workflow yet.
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mosh
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mosh?
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oqoghhqyukonkmdx what's mosh?
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I use brainfm as well
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on my Ipad Pro I use blink(mosh) and I have a small VPS running github.com/cdr/code-server - it works very well for travel.
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yillltho thats awesome! Thank you :)
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Do you do any serious development that way? Or just quick fixes?
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Mostly small bits of work (fixing bugs, refactoring stuff)
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Sounds like serious stuff, but not full on projects on the iPad?
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I never really tried to start and complete anything entirely on iPad. I guess after a time you could adapt to that but I still definitely feel slower on the iPad setup than on the MacBook
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Interesting. What makes the difference do you think? Switching between windows?
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Previous guy I worked with did full projects on only an iPad
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domrqvwvmzfmec there's definitely serious developers that have done lots of work on the iPad, just need a keyboard to go with that, and good internet to ssh/mosh over
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another possibility might be to carry a tiny computer along with the iPad ? perhaps a travel router w/ enough ram & cpu power to run VS code on it
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we're starting to approeach #_gear territory ^^
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What you're looking for is a Surface Pro
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surface pro w/ WSL eh?
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I like it. I was looking at the surface pro. But I'd much rather just work on my iPad if that's possible. Definitely need to try Blink
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Who was that? Is he on here, or twitter? I'd love to know more. :)
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The iPad keyboard helps, but doesnt feel as natural as the MacBook keyboard. Its supports cmd+tab which is fine for switching between apps. Debugging is possible using remote chrome debugging flags, but its clunky.
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Surface Pro is lovely and fantastic for travel, I just wish it didn't get so hot so quickly 😞
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oegwztocxlavyzaw Are there background processes running? You might be able to detune it a bit too, if you're willing to give it a go
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I didn't try but I generally have quite a few fairly heavy things running - local db, IntelliJ, Webstorm, frontend/backend server... so if I need to do any dev work on a plane for example, not sure how much I can shut down without it becoming unusable
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if I only play mahjong it's fine 😉
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Ah, yeah that's totally fair, when working. I was thinking more on the couch scenario
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i'd still consider detuning it
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that's a pretty light load
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well i mean i don't know how heavy those two java apps run these days
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well, that might not be a bad idea, every little helps - any good guides you'd recommend to a complete detuning n00b ?
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vbqjekaojbuzzs what would you use to underclock/undervolt for win 10/surface pro?
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ThrottleStop

If you search, there's a few detailed guides
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I'll search later for you ayutdqwvqwqwjqcn for the one I like
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opposite of productivity at the moment redownloading WoW classic
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yeah that's a horrible idea
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Used to be a huge WoW player back in the day (main char with over 1 year played :weary:) so limited myself to a few hours an eve. Thankfully at home in the UK at the moment so missing out on nothing in the evenings.
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only 1 year? 😉
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😜 Tell me about it. I decided never to go & look at the played of all my alts, I would be horrified.
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Did you used to play?
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yea
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for way too long lol
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Classic is amazing and as good as you remember playing back in the day 😩 Super social & so fun. But saying that… don't do it 👀 haha
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all i remember is having to play 8 hours a day to make progress
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or trying to ~herd cats~ organize 40 fucking people every night
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hahahah
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Not far off the truth at end game t b h
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I read a very interesting thought on Twitter recently, in the context of who is a good leader "In fact, find yourself an engineering manager who runs a large guild in an MMORPG (i.e. WoW, EVE online) and they'll have had the best leadership training there is ... they'll run circles around your MBAs."
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I feel like that's fairly accurate. Running a large, successful guild takes so much dedication and leadership. Raid leaders in particular… organising 40+ people, assigning the right people to a raid, knowing who works well together, giving instructions without being condescending, making sure people are happy with loot distributions etc.
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My opposite of productivity is that I've got back into ALL the creative things I used to do at once
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Film production
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Photography
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Music production
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(Attempting to) write
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And coding
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There's just not enough time....in life....
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I used to be in a top level raiding guild in WoW. Was like a part time job
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Me too dzpsqvkcgxkosd - it really was 😩
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any fans of checkvist/workflowy type apps
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Whoever it was that brought up WoW Classic in here… I have lost many productive hours thanks to you. _angrily shakes fist_ Send help
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anyone microdose?
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Lol, that’s a very broad question
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Probably should clarify what you’re referring to
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lol
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(for one year)
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mtqpm nice deal
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i think my biggest problem with todo lists is that they don't handle other types of input.. like planning, ideas, random thoughts, notes, bookmarks, etc
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but it's irritating to clutter a document with random entries
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i guess some people would make that work with evernote
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Marvin looks a lot better than todoist, will try
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i'm finding the interface rather confusing but it's got tons of add-ons "strategies"
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Haven’t used a todo list in years
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But I can see how using one would be a good idea 😂
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I want Evernote to be everything but it just hasn't stuck. It feels like it's 90% there.
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I wish it had better formatting ability for notes.
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I also feel like it's a little slow
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i've never actually used evernote.. i used something called TreePad back in the days of Windows 95, it had pretty good search, and basically it was really easy to make a hierarchy of notes.. got really into it for awhile but then got burnt out.. i feel like there was a bunch of problems with the overall approach, and that extra features wouldn't fix it.. i feel like evernote is probably the same type of app
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it supported images, hypertext, etc
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Amazing Marvin doesn't show my todos on the android app..
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eyrwealav Check out XMind, it's radically different but see if it catches your attention
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I still haven't found a note taking tool that works for me, rather than against me though
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I generally use a mix of keep and google docs for tasks, but it’s less that efficient
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None of my tasks are time oriented, and I’ve never found a platform that works well without that factor
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Video game music / or ambitent noise
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Google Keep. Very convienent if you're already in the google ecosystem
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That’s weird a number of posts I made in this channel were deleted. Were they against the rules, U02HTASB2?
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Whoops yeah
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isuex weird, don't see anything, will check now
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added some logging so it msgs again if smth gets deleted, will check
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I understand why one may have been deleted but the other was just a link to a free year sub to a productivity tool, non-affiliate. The discussion of it (Marvin) is above.
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didn't get any msg from slackbot deleting it so maybe slack fluke
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mwjae actually i still see the post to Marvin
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I've had trouble with Slack mobile not showing half the messages
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only shows last messages when u signed in, then shows recent
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I’m on mobile right now - is it just not showing that msg?
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its a Slack mobile bug ^
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it's*
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it doesn't show loads of messages
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half messages in channel are gone on mobile and have been for years
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their ios client sucks
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Awesome, sorry for false alarm. Just wanted to make sure I wasn’t breaking rules kvwfnsusmh thanks
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👍
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I’m noticing days of chat missing from #_gear on mobile. Not on desktop. zvchmmtlyt
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ihatoodcnqwwd I think that's a Slack bug indeed
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Logging all deletes by my bot now and I don't think it's me
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Agreed. This feels like a slack bug for sure.
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i find that desktop has a cache that shows messages before the 10k limit
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speaking of evernote.. this seems interesting >https://inkdrop.app>
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it's like evernote but markdown based and "for developers"
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Looks a bit like Bear
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I am looking into moving off the Google platform for privacy reasons. Has anyone here done so? What was your experience?

Alternatives to Gmail I have looked at are Fastmail and Migadu, but I am unsure of how secure they are.
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slqhjzcxzc has a website dedicated to this but I can’t remember it.
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For email, I went with ProtonMail.
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I’m switching over my websites to fathom analytics away from google analytics.
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I'm seriously about to nix Google Chrome, at the very least
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I moved to Brave from Chrome. (Yup, U04BRT3UC)
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Useful list, right there
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I considered ProtonMail, but after reading the following comments was turned off:




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I have my own server so... Have been using that for most things. But, I make GMail accounts for things that I may "hand the keys off" in the future

Biggest issue is getting old contacts to use any new email address
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ecgdlngqeku don’t know if this changes the equation for you, but Google no longer scans paid customers
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I still use it because I have an edu account that gives me 10000 accounts or something like that and free unlimited space for each (long story on how I ended up with it, but hard for me to switch)
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I found proton to be prohibitively expensive
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Zoho mail is amazing
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I’m also drive towards privacy, but Gmail and Google Maps is very hard to ditch
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Just thinking about changing all my accounts on the new mail make me feel sick 😄
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Alternatives for maps are also pretty bad. 😞
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It’s amazing how hard it is to ditch google products for sure, especially chrome
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Winner take all phenomenon is pretty shit
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Folks should be developing for safari and Firefox, fix for chrome after 😉
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instrumental does the job well!
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look at vivaldi, I think you'd like it. You can tinker a lot 😉
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brave is more 0 adjustment, so worth in it's own right. but I don't like the company behind it
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It actually took me longer to settle on a different browser than it did to actually make the mental shift away from Chrome. I spent weeks going back at forth between different options before settling. But once I did I never really looked back
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Actually Chrome was the easiest for me. I think Firefox is just better.
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Safari much harder to use, no extention and a lot of things just don’t work
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Safari was pretty great until they killed off all extensions.. big freaking WTF there
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iqhjkirrq I think it was a performance and security thing
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part of the reason why Chrome is such a hog is because of all the extensions
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it’s a double edged sword
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Firefox has so many weird issues, like font rendering is rekt, color saturation is super weird and off
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It does feel fast to me tho
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What do you do when you’re in this rut and don’t have an idea yet to work on next? Does it just come to you when you’re not looking for it. Or do you go through some kind of exercise or process to come up with new stuff?
Not sure if this belongs in #_productivity.
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iuoybkhsdsq good question for here i think
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and i struggle with that very question too 😅
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gpljsxbdbep set clear action steps and do it
Focusmate has been a Tool that I love for this! Invested in it and paid subscriber, love the accountability aspect
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What are the clear action steps for finding a new idea to work on? I have no problem with productivity when there is something I need to work on, when I already know what that thing is (ie. in my day job).
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Demand
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great, now I just need someone to organize my life for me
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Quite the opposite for me... when I've found something to work on, I don't want to let it go, cause I'm afraid I can't come up with something new to work on. So projects tend to drag on forever. 😆
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bujfjmbltfg have you tried fiverr?
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would love to hear if anyone has a good alternative to Asana. basecamp seems nice but too bloated with so many collaboration features that i don’t need. i’m a one person team so i just need something that can organize project tasks powerfully. asana only sells licenses in groups of 5 so i’m stuck in their free tier with limited features
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i’m not a fan of trello’s UI, the cards take up so much space and side scrolling drives me nuts
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oh interesting, asana is $420 for the year if you try to to upgrade. Jira is a flat rate of $10/mo for up to 10 users
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czckufiknr give pivotal tracker a look at... It doesn't have a lot of bells and whistles but it's slim, has comments, etc
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czvtndhjgzw thanks, i’ll take a look!
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rktjswgch haha, a previous company definitely ruined jira for me
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i am digging pivotal tracker so far. it’s very agile, but could be good. thanks for the rec!
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I'm using Clickup at the moment
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free for unlimited tasks and users, handy for smaller outsourced stuff. The premium option is per user and is around $5 usd per month if billed annually
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Asana is the best if you have multiple clients/contexts and multiple emails
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there is not another option that handles it better
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(you can assign a separate email to different workspaces, and that’s where the notifications go, etc)
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unfortunately, if that’s your use case, there are no other options - plus, Asana has the benefit of ubiquity
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ivtfj clickup looks awesome! Thanks!
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xwikn no doubt Asana is the best but for a one person team, not worth $50/month per their 5 license minimum policy
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do you need the premium features? ukyjcfohyo
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I ended up giving away like $600 in Asana credits because we never used it
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but yes, Asana, like Slack, is fairly expensive
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I was in the same situation. Started to use Asana, needed one or two premium things and I'm solo not in a 5 man band. Clickup fits my usage and budget 😄
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does clickup allow you to split workspaces across email addresses U5G271W4S?
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essentially segregate accounts with SSO?
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I’m always on the prowl for other options besides Asana
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that just doesn’t seem like something anyone does well, besides Asana
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haven't tried it, but you can make many spaces and add unlimited users to each space or across multiple spaces, or hide certain ones
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for example I could create a project in a space and invite a specific email to it, and add that same person to multiple projects in other spaces, but that person wouldn't see the full space or spaces unless I add them to them
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so I guess that kind of splits it?
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but how well it does that compared to Asana I do not know
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what I do like with Clickup over Asana though is that in Asana I had to create either a board or list, but in Clickup each project is all of it and they just call it views. Same project can be a list, a gantt chart, a board view like Trello, calendar etc.
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that’s a bit different than what I’m talking about
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I have and - they have different workspaces, but those emails are tied to each of those. However, if I sign into asana with any of those email addresses, I get access to all my workspaces
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but notifications + emailing in tasks, etc, is assigned to those specific email addresses
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it keeps things logically separated as opposed to 23059820395820358230 tasks all going to a single email
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not sure how that will work, I don't get emails as I've turned off the notifications lol
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for each workspace you can select what you get notified about. You can turn off all notifications for a specific one, or select a few you want to be notified of. >https://docs.clickup.com/general/notification-settings> each workspace has it's own settings for you. So I guess technically your setup could work? But if it's easy to setup and as good as Asana I don't know. Just have to test it I guess 😁
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it looks like everything uses one email, though
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which is unfortunate
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it doesn’t even separate out personal and professional
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I could invite my other emails to whatever workspace or space within the workspace I want to though? Then inside using whatever email I'm logged on as create a space for personal etc. Everyone's setup is different I guess
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but that’s not a single account
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then you have to play games logging out and in
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oh I give my main account access to all workspaces, just saying I could if I wanted to lol
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(I’m not saying Asana should or shouldn’t be for your setup - I’m just saying, this is a feature that only Asana seems to have, and it’s brilliant for people with multiple clients and email addresses)
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then, even if I’m assigned a “workspace” and email with a client, it’s really just part of my larger Asana account, and I can switch around and work as I please
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even with clients that don’t use Asana, I can create a workspace for them and eventually just hand it over to them as well - things are logically separate, it’s really the SSO that’s the special sauce
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ah so Asana has one account with many email addresses tied to it, but all separated by workspaces? Rather than one standard email account being able to access whatever workspace you create/are invited to?
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once you’ve “confirmed” the email address, you can use any of the email addresses to login
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and once you’re logged in, you have access to all of your workspaces collectively
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ah yes I haven't seen that in Clickup, you'd have to get invited with your own account I think. Maybe there's a setting somewhere but haven't seen it. Not that I have looked for it either lol
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I haven’t seen it anywhere else - and I’m a service fiend. I try pretty much everything that comes out, since being knowledgeable of service options is part of my charter for clients.
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It's a neat feature for those that need it
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my usage luckily doesn't warrant it yet. I just use clickup for me, invite some freelancers sometimes, and use a Toggl integration so I can see how long each task takes in a weekly report
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yeah, it looks great
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I wish Asana wasn’t so pricey
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same
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went from Asana to Trello to Clickup lol
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I'm sure Clickup will start charging more or charging for some of what is free now in the future
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+1 for clickup
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They make a pretty good argument >https://clickup.com/table-all-in-one> 😂 covering all the bases. Not sure I like that 100MB limit 'tho
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not great if you need many attachments
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I think I'm using 0/100MB right now lol
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Friend is wondering if anyone knows of a ticketing system that integrates with asana
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Support tickets I assume
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lvkixccer what level of integration are we talking about?
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are you looking for two way sync?
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seems like an incongruent fit, tbh
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Yeah hmm
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Must be a few, using zapier that is as a middle man. Zendesk is one of the ones I believe
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But yes seems less ideal and something that can get messy quick
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Great discussion, thanks for all the input. After checking out a few suggestions here, I think I’m going to go with Clickup. Very powerful tool with a lot of premium features that Asana offers but for free! Will be carving out time this weekend to migrate tasks over, can report back on how that goes
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wow clickup is like notion + airtable
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I just came here to ask if anyone’d used Notion, and I see this 😂
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so i migrated everything over from asana to clickup, customized my views and upgraded to the $5 paid plan. loving it so far. my only complaint, similar to notion, is that it gets pretty slow if there are too many items in view. other than that, it’s pretty sweet 🔥 thanks for the rec!
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how many is many?
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i’m looking into both notion and clickup right now because they’re both a nice mix of Asana+Trello+Wiki+AirTable
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one thing i’m not seeing in ClickUp, that Notion has, is the ability to show 2 calendars (example internal due date vs publishing schedule)
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like 180+
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i find Clickup is more organized like a spreadsheet whereas Notion is more freeform with lots of different “widgets”
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i don’t really get the different views in clickup… doesn’t seem like they are too customizable beyond the standard fields 🤔
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yikes. seriously? 180 seems like a really small number
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i find the clickup interface to be really overwhelming… there are just so many panels and control groupings everywhere. i find myself not knowing where to look… but they have some pretty innovative features though, so i’m investing some time to learn and see if this would work
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i think i was really feeling it when i was setting up. i imported 200+ tasks from asana and basically was using multiselect + edit features a lot and it was bogging down. i empathize though since i deal with the same performance issues on my own app 😛 it was worth it though IMO for the customizability. seems better now though or maybe im just used to it, hah
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i remember notion was reaaaally bad though, performance wise with a lot of items. but this was maybe 6 months ago, maybe they’ve improved since
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i see. i tried clickup maybe 6 months ago but gave up because the UI was just so confusing. just started trying Notion 2 days ago, and now trying Clickup v2.0 again
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the one feature i’m really looking for (2 calendars) doesn’t seem to be available though
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Clickup doesn’t work well in safari, the / command doesn’t even do anything in it
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Is there a concept of having a task live in multiple projects or workspace or page or whatever it’s called in ClickUp? It’s another one of Asana’s core feature that we use a lot, that I’m still trying to replicate in ClickUp…
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or something like Notion’s “Relations” property
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i don’t see anything like that, it’s only giving me an option to move a task
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ttgrluvykoz why are you migrating away from asana?
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Asana is great in many ways, but has so many shortcoming…
1) people feel overwhelmed because the template feature is stupid and assigns people tasks when a template is created
2) it’s task-focused, and completely missing a wiki feature for transferring knowledge and onboarding people. yes we could use a different system, but it’s a hassle
3) lacking the ability to have multiple calendar (one for internal due date, one for publishing date)
4) subtasks are difficult to see and are often missed.
5) can’t assign task to more than one person
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i’m sure there’s more… but also i think it’s time for a change.
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Is #4 even true
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cnipkddxyyk that’s my same critique list of Monday
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Except for #5
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#5 sorta works, by duplicating the task. it’s slow and clutters up things unfortunately.
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#4 is has been improving. i forget which update it was this year that finally introduced an icon, with a number, at the task-level view so that users know that there are sub-tasks and have an easy way to get in.

however, it’s still problematic because the next step requires users to click on a tiny chat bubble/comment icon to actually get into the subtask. clicking on the task name would make a lot more sense and be easier, but doing so goes into task-name edit mode. it’s a weird UX decision. who goes and change task name that often that it’s the default behavior?
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