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Hey all. Anyone here in Brazil right now?
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Hey! Anyone here in Brazil right now?
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Hi. Anyone here in Brazil right now?
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Hey all, anyone in here in Brazil right now?
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I don't know but many have been and we have a few Brazilian members, so just ask away if you have any questions
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I'm living here, ask away :)
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I'm Brazilian too, any help just ask 😉
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Hey guys, if its first time to be in brazil would you recommend to nomad for 2 months in rio or sao paolo?
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if its my first time in brazil and i want to base myself as a nomad in one city, would you recommend Rio or Sao Paolo for 2 months?
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São Paulo feels more urban and cosmopolitan. It's bigger, safer, and uglier. Rio is also a very big city but it has more relaxed beach culture. It's beautiful, more touristy, and more dangerous
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It's up to personal preference really, depends on which type of place you vibe with. Both are nomad friendly.
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Floripa ♥️
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Honestly, don't go to Rio, it will be too much
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I'm born in Rio and i'm living in sao paulo. Rio is very boring city (it only has beaches and tourist places), after you visit everything (you can do that in a couple weeks) you have nothing else to do. São Paulo in the other hand, like dupy said, is a urban cosmopolitan city. For 2 months i recommend São Paulo, but take the time to spend one or 2 weekends in Rio :)
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I would recommend Florianópolis
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Well, being from neutral ground (Belo Horizonte) and having lived in São Paulo for 10+ years I'd say that's not entirely fair to Rio... there's plenty to do in there, and SP gets boring as well 😄 But I agree SP is more suited for a "Brazil beginner"
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First time I hear the word "Boring" to describe Rio 😄
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First time I hear someone calling Rio "boring" 😄
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First time I see someone calling Rio "boring"
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hhahahaha 😅
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Rio is the only city where gringos go, try to go somewhere else. Live in a small city on the outside of São Paulo, where you have much nicer weather with sun all year round instead of the grey and rainy and hyper polluted microclimate of São Paulo (and the prices are half, too). Try Curitiba. Go to one of the crazy cowboy towns in Mato Grosso with the hottest Pocahontas girl ever seen, or the friendly locals and beer culture Minas (Belo Horizonte) og southwards towards Santa Catarina. Enjoy black culture and steamy tropical mega city life in Salvador or kite-and windsurf along the coast from Natal to Fortaleza. Rent a car and go, it's easy driving mostly.
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You get so much more fun for your money outside those two cities you mention. Climate wise Rio is also not great, super humid and hot and lots of rain. And hail of bullets :)
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emqaplwuknlao true that!
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Rio is far from boring. I'm not Brazilian, but I spent three months in Rio and love it - to an extent. My gf is from there. The largest problem you'll find is the lack of quality spots to work from; and even if you did find them, you have to be ultra-aware of your surroundings. And that's my biggest problem with Rio; the mental exhaustion, felt by locals too, of constantly being weary of everyone around you.
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current challenge finding an AirBnB in Belo Horizonte for Carnaval that's not right in the heart of the all-night party. Recs welcome!
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(doesn't have to be an AirBnB, either)
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Hi Brazil! Anyone in São Paolo want to meet up this weekend?
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Hi! I'm in Rio! Anyone around?
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Im making a quick trip through S Brazil in December! First time in the country, very excited.
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Hi, I will be in Porto de Galinhas from Nov 30 - Dec 5
Rio de Janeiro Dec 6 - 9
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is it as unsafe as they say?
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I'm gonna be in Rio from December 4th
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no it isn't
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I'm from there
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that's good to know because i want to come as well
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safety is set as "bad" on nomadlist - that's why i asked
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It's very understandable. I am from São Paulo and I die wanting to visit Rio but I can't stand the feeling that something bad might happen as soon as I land and so far the fear has won me even though I'm pretty sure things are not as they are sold, just as anywhere else in the world. Things are particularly worse now for political reasons according to the news, but I'm no there to know better.
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weird, sao paulo gets "bad" in terms of safety on nomadlist as well
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gcaqatsbknzy how would you rate the situation there?
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Just as I described Rio, it is pictured worse than it actually is haha
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I've done a few trips to SP and Rio over the past year, and safety is definitely something to be aware of (don't do dumb stuff) -- but I think that would be the same for certain parts of most major cities as well
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I’d say it’s absolutely as unsafe as they say
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But as in most dangerous places, if you manage risk properly you’re unlikely to have bad experiences (save for bad luck)
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Still the stats speak for themselves. Murder rate etc. It is dangerous
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is the same as almost anywhere else, if you go to places you "shouldn't" go then something might happen
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otherwise you gonna be fine
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Sorry but it really isn’t. In Brazil you can get shot by stray bullets, you can get stabbed by street kids. Large parts of the city are places you “shouldn’t” go to
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In Europe for example I can stroll around unpreoccupied. Sure someone might mug me. But I know I’m not going to get shot or stabbed
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i measure safety by being able to walk in the city center and around city center after midnight. i'm used to do this in europe. maybe the only city in europe where i wouldnt feel 100% safe doing this is kiev.
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You always need to be alert in Brazil
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it depends where you are and where you go
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You can forget about doing those things in Brazil.
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on downtown São Paulo you can walk safely at 2am
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lol, no way
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by downtown I mean around Avenida Paulista
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That’s not downtown in SP.
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that's where there are things to do after midnight pretty much
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But yeah, there are places that are safer, and São Paulo is significantly safer than most other states in Brazil
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In fact SP has the lowest criminality in the country. But it’s still not as safe as any first world country
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that's a little sad. it's hard for me to enjoy a city without doing this.
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I have lived in São Paulo, Fortaleza and other places on Northeast
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and not even Fortaleza is bad as they show on the news
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I’ve lived in BH (17 years), SP (10+ years), Rio (less than a year), and I’d say it _is_ as bad. The point isn’t that Brazil is unlivable, but that it isn’t safe. SP is as safe as it gets, save for smaller cities in the interior of south eastern states
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How many people have you met that have been mugged at one point in their lives? How many have heard gunshots, or know of someone that has been kidnapped? Violence is something Brazilians grow up with to the point they normalise it. Most of the time it doesn’t affect you, yes, but it _can_ affect you. And compared to other countries, it’s bad
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the posibility of being stabbed by street kids sounds a bit uncomfortable.
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reminds me of ukraine about 20 years ago
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To be fair that’s very unlikely unless you are very careless. Like I said, it’s a matter of managing risk
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But still… it’s not impossible, even if you’re careful
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I have been mugged, but I don't know that many people that have been, I don't know anybody that got kidnapped neither that got stabbed
and I have lived on Ceara (18+ years, 4 years out of that in Fortaleza), SP (2 years)
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of course it all depends on where you go, if you are in a bus stop at midnight and are using your phone you probably gonna loose it (btw I'm not saying that being mugged is your fault)
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but if you give your phone the chances of you being stabbed is close to 0
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most of the people that get stabbed are either related with drug dealers in some way or if they get mugged they try to react
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that's good to know. i would never react, here, have everything i got. dont kill me sir
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I don’t think I know anyone who hasn’t suffered a mugging attempt. I’ve suffered ~5 in my life although I’m very careful, but I managed to escape every time (or didn’t have anything on me). I know a guy in Rio who was stabbed by a kid who tried to mug him. He didn’t react, he just didn’t have any money. He was taken to a public hospital, and they were out of materials to treat him - he ended up getting transferred to another hospital. A while ago there was a case by a policewoman who shot down a kid who was holding a gun. That happened close to where I lived, in São Paulo. It wasn’t a bad neighborhood at all
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It’s not true that violence only happens when you react. If you react, violence probably will happen, but even if you don’t it might happen. The attacker might be on drugs, or just doesn’t have anything to lose and decided to stab you because they didn’t like your face.
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I have to say that I feel waaaay safier walking at late night here in Europe than walking to a bakery to buy bread in the morning in my hometown
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Although, in 24 years I've been robbed only once when I was 15
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There are plenty of cases every day in the news of people who get shot, stabbed, kidnapped. It happens. Might not happen in good neighborhoods very often, might not have happened to anyone you know, but it does happen. The news are not invented. So no matter how you look at Brazil - it is dangerous, especially when compared to Europe for example.
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Also, I think when advising foreigners who come here we need to hammer in the fact that it’s a dangerous place. I’ve met foreigners who had no ‘street smarts’ whatsoever and I felt uneasy for them. It’s important to be careful and know where you can relax and where you need to be alert
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Yeah, there’s no comparison
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I live in SP for 6 years now and i’m from Rio.

São Paulo is safe. Any major city is as safe as São Paulo. You need to be in alert the same way as in the streets of New York. As any other major city, there are some regions that you shouldn’t go if you dont know them, but in general is a very safe place. Anyone can come and it will enjoy a lot without worries

Rio on the other hand is not for the weak. You need to be in high alert at all times. They don’t kidnap, kill you or anything like that, but they steal a lot, so if you have the habit of putting your cellphone on the table, someone will snap it, for sure! If you stay in the south zone which is the popular one, you will be ok, but be in alert for your stuff, don’t live it hanging. But São Paulo is so much more tourist friendly than RIo, that it didn’t even compare
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Last year I was at the bus stop between Av. Ipiranga and Consolação when a kid on a bike snapped a phone from a lady next to me and ran away. It was daytime. There was a cop nearby who saw everything, he chased the kid with a gun for a few minutes then tripped over something (he actually tripped, it was kind of funny) and the kid got away
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I don’t think that’s common in Manhattan
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I agree SP is safe, especially for Brazilian standards, but I disagree it’s as safe as “any major city”
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Yeah, I think my opinion is the least informed here for sure. And obviously the statistical evidence and anecdotal evidence is in favor of the argument that "Brazil is as dangerous as US news portrays it". But I wonder if my opinion on danger would be different if I experienced the worst parts of Chicago for example.

I think what I said above is still probably what I'd tell anyone planning on visiting Brazil -- don't do dumb things, research the area you're staying in, don't go to dangerous places and you're likely to be okay -- but there are no guarantees.
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On a slightly unrelated note -- when I think about the crime levels and corruption, I get really sad about the unrealized potential of Brazil ...
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In general I believe that the "it's not safe" line is generally spread as a talking point for Moar Kops Needed.

USians get the message in firehose form about all places where whites are in the minority, because the ever-embiggening security apparatus requires, well, the manufacture of consent.

So I ignore quite a bit of the "it's not safe" messaging. I do, however, pay attention when a LOCAL tells me to keep my phone close and gives me detailed info as to why it's necessary.
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I don't drink/drug, I don't date, and I'm typically not out late more risks eliminated.
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Or reduced greatly
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You would be surprised
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<@UE7N5PG06 just arrived in 💃 São Paulo, #brazil
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Not sure what your argument is exactly but the discussion around security and criminality in the US doesn’t really translate to Brazil. Completely different realities. A few locals gave their 0.02c here and they mostly agree the country is dangerous (but disagree on how dangerous).

Personally I don’t want to scare anyone off, but I think it’s irresponsible to say the country is safe. It isn’t, it’s significantly less safe than most countries, which doesn’t mean it’s hell on earth either. Like I said before it’s a matter of managing risk. Let’s say the risk of something bad happening to someone in a large city in the US is 0.1%. In Brazil it’s 1%. It’s still unlikely, but the odds are an order of magnitude higher. So one needs to adjust expectations accordingly.
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>I don’t drink/drug, I don’t date, and I’m typically not out late more risks eliminated.

None of this matters much when crime is generalized. People get shot on the streets in broad daylight and armed robberies happen all over the place all the time. It’s just a numbers game to not be there when it happens. Or, you can protect yourself by not being anywhere outside of very safe streets/areas/gated communities, which is hard if you live in Brazil for a significant time period.

>Florianopolis, and there is virtually 0 crime here

The whole state of Santa Catarina has a higher homicide rate (2018, Atlas da Violência) than the state of São Paulo. Both are at the bottom part of the list, but the violence is still 20-30 times higher than most places in Europe, for example. The risk of simply being in the wrong spot at the wrong time and becoming a victim of a bala perdida (stray bullet) or violent crime directed directly at you is, similar to what mnpe points out, orders of magnitude higher.
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Hey guys, me and qrfainfyx are going to meet in a bar called Charme da Paulista (In front of MASP at Av Paulista) this Thu at around 18h. Is anyone around? 😄
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Hi Luan -- I'd be down for joining you guys if you can suffer an English-only speaker? (still learning Portuguese)
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Ugh actually, I just realized I have a doctor's appointment here in SP on Thursday

Will catch up with you guys another time, sorry!
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pbcthewhj It will be pretty much only english, i don’t think ykqcbblte speak any portuguese hahaha
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It will be later in the day, at night. We will probably stay there until late so ping us when you can, maybe we are still there after your appointment 🙂
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English is fine
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<@U04CGSPHZ just arrived in Rio de Janeiro, #brazil
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<@UC4C5952A just arrived in Recife, #brazil
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<@UC4C5952A just arrived in Caruaru, #brazil
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