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current challenge finding an AirBnB in Belo Horizonte for Carnaval that's not right in the heart of the all-night party. Recs welcome!
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(doesn't have to be an AirBnB, either)
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Hi Brazil! Anyone in São Paolo want to meet up this weekend?
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Hi! I'm in Rio! Anyone around?
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Im making a quick trip through S Brazil in December! First time in the country, very excited.
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Hi, I will be in Porto de Galinhas from Nov 30 - Dec 5
Rio de Janeiro Dec 6 - 9
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is it as unsafe as they say?
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I'm gonna be in Rio from December 4th
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no it isn't
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I'm from there
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that's good to know because i want to come as well
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safety is set as "bad" on nomadlist - that's why i asked
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It's very understandable. I am from São Paulo and I die wanting to visit Rio but I can't stand the feeling that something bad might happen as soon as I land and so far the fear has won me even though I'm pretty sure things are not as they are sold, just as anywhere else in the world. Things are particularly worse now for political reasons according to the news, but I'm no there to know better.
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weird, sao paulo gets "bad" in terms of safety on nomadlist as well
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tecighaqpwvd how would you rate the situation there?
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Just as I described Rio, it is pictured worse than it actually is haha
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I've done a few trips to SP and Rio over the past year, and safety is definitely something to be aware of (don't do dumb stuff) -- but I think that would be the same for certain parts of most major cities as well
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I’d say it’s absolutely as unsafe as they say
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But as in most dangerous places, if you manage risk properly you’re unlikely to have bad experiences (save for bad luck)
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Still the stats speak for themselves. Murder rate etc. It is dangerous
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is the same as almost anywhere else, if you go to places you "shouldn't" go then something might happen
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otherwise you gonna be fine
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Sorry but it really isn’t. In Brazil you can get shot by stray bullets, you can get stabbed by street kids. Large parts of the city are places you “shouldn’t” go to
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In Europe for example I can stroll around unpreoccupied. Sure someone might mug me. But I know I’m not going to get shot or stabbed
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i measure safety by being able to walk in the city center and around city center after midnight. i'm used to do this in europe. maybe the only city in europe where i wouldnt feel 100% safe doing this is kiev.
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You always need to be alert in Brazil
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it depends where you are and where you go
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You can forget about doing those things in Brazil.
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on downtown São Paulo you can walk safely at 2am
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lol, no way
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by downtown I mean around Avenida Paulista
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That’s not downtown in SP.
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that's where there are things to do after midnight pretty much
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But yeah, there are places that are safer, and São Paulo is significantly safer than most other states in Brazil
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In fact SP has the lowest criminality in the country. But it’s still not as safe as any first world country
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that's a little sad. it's hard for me to enjoy a city without doing this.
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I have lived in São Paulo, Fortaleza and other places on Northeast
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and not even Fortaleza is bad as they show on the news
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I’ve lived in BH (17 years), SP (10+ years), Rio (less than a year), and I’d say it _is_ as bad. The point isn’t that Brazil is unlivable, but that it isn’t safe. SP is as safe as it gets, save for smaller cities in the interior of south eastern states
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How many people have you met that have been mugged at one point in their lives? How many have heard gunshots, or know of someone that has been kidnapped? Violence is something Brazilians grow up with to the point they normalise it. Most of the time it doesn’t affect you, yes, but it _can_ affect you. And compared to other countries, it’s bad
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the posibility of being stabbed by street kids sounds a bit uncomfortable.
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reminds me of ukraine about 20 years ago
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To be fair that’s very unlikely unless you are very careless. Like I said, it’s a matter of managing risk
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But still… it’s not impossible, even if you’re careful
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I have been mugged, but I don't know that many people that have been, I don't know anybody that got kidnapped neither that got stabbed
and I have lived on Ceara (18+ years, 4 years out of that in Fortaleza), SP (2 years)
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of course it all depends on where you go, if you are in a bus stop at midnight and are using your phone you probably gonna loose it (btw I'm not saying that being mugged is your fault)
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but if you give your phone the chances of you being stabbed is close to 0
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most of the people that get stabbed are either related with drug dealers in some way or if they get mugged they try to react
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that's good to know. i would never react, here, have everything i got. dont kill me sir
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I don’t think I know anyone who hasn’t suffered a mugging attempt. I’ve suffered ~5 in my life although I’m very careful, but I managed to escape every time (or didn’t have anything on me). I know a guy in Rio who was stabbed by a kid who tried to mug him. He didn’t react, he just didn’t have any money. He was taken to a public hospital, and they were out of materials to treat him - he ended up getting transferred to another hospital. A while ago there was a case by a policewoman who shot down a kid who was holding a gun. That happened close to where I lived, in São Paulo. It wasn’t a bad neighborhood at all
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It’s not true that violence only happens when you react. If you react, violence probably will happen, but even if you don’t it might happen. The attacker might be on drugs, or just doesn’t have anything to lose and decided to stab you because they didn’t like your face.
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I have to say that I feel waaaay safier walking at late night here in Europe than walking to a bakery to buy bread in the morning in my hometown
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Although, in 24 years I've been robbed only once when I was 15
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There are plenty of cases every day in the news of people who get shot, stabbed, kidnapped. It happens. Might not happen in good neighborhoods very often, might not have happened to anyone you know, but it does happen. The news are not invented. So no matter how you look at Brazil - it is dangerous, especially when compared to Europe for example.
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Also, I think when advising foreigners who come here we need to hammer in the fact that it’s a dangerous place. I’ve met foreigners who had no ‘street smarts’ whatsoever and I felt uneasy for them. It’s important to be careful and know where you can relax and where you need to be alert
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Yeah, there’s no comparison
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I live in SP for 6 years now and i’m from Rio.

São Paulo is safe. Any major city is as safe as São Paulo. You need to be in alert the same way as in the streets of New York. As any other major city, there are some regions that you shouldn’t go if you dont know them, but in general is a very safe place. Anyone can come and it will enjoy a lot without worries

Rio on the other hand is not for the weak. You need to be in high alert at all times. They don’t kidnap, kill you or anything like that, but they steal a lot, so if you have the habit of putting your cellphone on the table, someone will snap it, for sure! If you stay in the south zone which is the popular one, you will be ok, but be in alert for your stuff, don’t live it hanging. But São Paulo is so much more tourist friendly than RIo, that it didn’t even compare
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Last year I was at the bus stop between Av. Ipiranga and Consolação when a kid on a bike snapped a phone from a lady next to me and ran away. It was daytime. There was a cop nearby who saw everything, he chased the kid with a gun for a few minutes then tripped over something (he actually tripped, it was kind of funny) and the kid got away
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I don’t think that’s common in Manhattan
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I agree SP is safe, especially for Brazilian standards, but I disagree it’s as safe as “any major city”
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Yeah, I think my opinion is the least informed here for sure. And obviously the statistical evidence and anecdotal evidence is in favor of the argument that "Brazil is as dangerous as US news portrays it". But I wonder if my opinion on danger would be different if I experienced the worst parts of Chicago for example.

I think what I said above is still probably what I'd tell anyone planning on visiting Brazil -- don't do dumb things, research the area you're staying in, don't go to dangerous places and you're likely to be okay -- but there are no guarantees.
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On a slightly unrelated note -- when I think about the crime levels and corruption, I get really sad about the unrealized potential of Brazil ...
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In general I believe that the "it's not safe" line is generally spread as a talking point for Moar Kops Needed.

USians get the message in firehose form about all places where whites are in the minority, because the ever-embiggening security apparatus requires, well, the manufacture of consent.

So I ignore quite a bit of the "it's not safe" messaging. I do, however, pay attention when a LOCAL tells me to keep my phone close and gives me detailed info as to why it's necessary.
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I don't drink/drug, I don't date, and I'm typically not out late more risks eliminated.
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Or reduced greatly
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You would be surprised
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tokrsmetw just arrived in 💃 São Paulo, #brazil
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Not sure what your argument is exactly but the discussion around security and criminality in the US doesn’t really translate to Brazil. Completely different realities. A few locals gave their 0.02c here and they mostly agree the country is dangerous (but disagree on how dangerous).

Personally I don’t want to scare anyone off, but I think it’s irresponsible to say the country is safe. It isn’t, it’s significantly less safe than most countries, which doesn’t mean it’s hell on earth either. Like I said before it’s a matter of managing risk. Let’s say the risk of something bad happening to someone in a large city in the US is 0.1%. In Brazil it’s 1%. It’s still unlikely, but the odds are an order of magnitude higher. So one needs to adjust expectations accordingly.
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>I don’t drink/drug, I don’t date, and I’m typically not out late more risks eliminated.

None of this matters much when crime is generalized. People get shot on the streets in broad daylight and armed robberies happen all over the place all the time. It’s just a numbers game to not be there when it happens. Or, you can protect yourself by not being anywhere outside of very safe streets/areas/gated communities, which is hard if you live in Brazil for a significant time period.

>Florianopolis, and there is virtually 0 crime here

The whole state of Santa Catarina has a higher homicide rate (2018, Atlas da Violência) than the state of São Paulo. Both are at the bottom part of the list, but the violence is still 20-30 times higher than most places in Europe, for example. The risk of simply being in the wrong spot at the wrong time and becoming a victim of a bala perdida (stray bullet) or violent crime directed directly at you is, similar to what jkxp points out, orders of magnitude higher.
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Hey guys, me and wadxhjwwl are going to meet in a bar called Charme da Paulista (In front of MASP at Av Paulista) this Thu at around 18h. Is anyone around? 😄
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Hi Luan -- I'd be down for joining you guys if you can suffer an English-only speaker? (still learning Portuguese)
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Ugh actually, I just realized I have a doctor's appointment here in SP on Thursday

Will catch up with you guys another time, sorry!
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pjpyizcrc It will be pretty much only english, i don’t think bodemkfbh speak any portuguese hahaha
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It will be later in the day, at night. We will probably stay there until late so ping us when you can, maybe we are still there after your appointment 🙂
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English is fine
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jpdoaezow just arrived in Rio de Janeiro, #brazil
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hpmagypnrnsg just arrived in Recife, #brazil
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hryobmhcsrpn just arrived in Caruaru, #brazil
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krdlvmqbgqdyc just arrived in 💃 São Paulo, #brazil
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São Paulo nomads, any of y'all up for meeting up this weekend? I'm thinking about checking out Avenida Paulista tomorrow or on Sunday (pedestrian day?)
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Sunday indeed they close Av Paulista to cars, so only pedestrians are allowed. I’m in Rio unfortunately so i’ll have to pass =/
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Hey guys can anyone give me insight on prices of sao paulo airbnb apartments? I was doing some pre-trip research and it seemed they were surpristingly expensive. For a simple studio in neighborhoods that people recommended me (pinheiros and paulista avenue) the cost was about 1200+usd. For the same period in a city that as far as i know is more popular with tourists, rio de janeiro, in copacabana for a similar thing you would pay 800+ usd. I am not sure if that is realistic or I miscalculated something? I was kind of prerfering basing in sao paulo but if the prices are so much cheaper to be just by the beach in Rio it would be hard to justify it. Any tips?
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Usually the prices are similar to Rio, around 1000 usd but it can be higher indeed. It's not cheap around here unfortunately. How long are you staying? Maybe i have something to recommend to you.
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Itaim Bibi (which is the best area IMO) should cost around 1500 usd month. I wouldn’t recommend going cheap in SP as you may end up in a shitty place.
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Be careful with Airbnbs in downtown São Paulo that look nice and modern in the photos but are significantly cheaper than other listings. There are a lot of new buildings being constructed in some rather shady downtown areas. They _are_ nice and modern, it’s not like they’re scams, but the location is pretty bad unless you need to be there for a specific reason
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Example of what I mean www.airbnb.com.br/rooms/30127492
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Has anyone been to Curitiba? I'm headed there in a couple weeks and it looks and sounds amazing.
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I will be in Santos through the middle of carnaval. For the first week of february, my mom (in her 70s) will be coming to visit me. Can anyone suggest a good day tour I can take with her that will not be too trying for that time of year, but still get to see and experience some great cultural / architectural attractions?
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I do mean a tour in são paulo proper, not santos. 🙂 she'll see pleanty of that daily with me
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iwpkkhcpeynj just arrived in 💃 São Paulo, #brazil
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Curitiba is nice. I recommend the train trip to Morretes and Villa Morretes in the city (where you can try out barreado, seafood, and some local cachaças). Come to think of it there’s a lot to do in the vicinity of Curitiba, aside from all the stuff you can see in town.
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vgkzjmieguynjm just arrived in Porto de Galinhas, #brazil
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Trying to learn basic Portuguese phrases and am lol-ing at my pronunciations, which will forever be Spanish-inflected.
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Eu também! Portuguese pronunciations are significantly more difficult than Spanish. It also confuses and cracks me up how Brazilians pronounce English words, like email, rock, rap, etc.
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It seems like there are quite a few vowel elisions that simply don't exist in Spanish ... "eu" and "não" come to mind. There's almost a nasal quality at times.
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Certainly. The nasal sounds are still throwing me off. I'm not sure I'll ever be able to say "bread" properly in Portuguese and that could be problematic ;(
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I do. Hasn't helped, tbh :-)
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glqsowozpreckovae just arrived in Foz do Iguaçu, #brazil
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Almost there lol
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I'm currently having all my Brazilian Airbnb reservations and my flight booking printed. I've never had to reckon with picky border officials but one never knows
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The volume of paper alone should discourage curiosity
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Hey guys. Feel free to ask anything about Portuguese \o/ fqadquifjxibkymmh you are right. Words finishing wih "ão" are so nasal. For example pão, seleção, Luizão, elaboração, introdução, etc. 😊
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Thanks :-) I'm armed with Google Translate as well.
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kotclulm it seems like "d" before e or i becomes a "zh"... most of the time. "Adeus" is an exception... do you know why?
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Immigration in Basil is always pretty straight forward. Even the day i had a 100$ bill in my passport (still no idea how it got there) the officer was just smiling and saying “i don’t think this is for me” 😄
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qagvlifrrsvvdk just arrived in Jijoca de Jericoacoara, #brazil
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desmporf just arrived in Rio de Janeiro, #brazil
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rrtufdhcluzpqji just arrived in Rio de Janeiro, #brazil
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I have taken to speaking Spanguese, alternated with showing people Google Translate on my phone. Limited communication is happening 😆
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What’s the best SIM card option for a foreigner?
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Claro generally has the best speeds. Vivo has the best coverage and decent speeds. Oi tends to have the cheapest data, but coverage and speed aren’t always great. Overall I’d recommend Claro, if you go to an actual Claro shop they should be able to set you up.
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Great, thanks!
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Yeah, I’d stick with Claro as well.
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yjbexghao just arrived in Paraty, #brazil
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Apparently an executive class ticket gets you a bilingual guide... fingers crossed!
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Gah, correction, I'm taking it Monday. Should have booked in advance.
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Have fun! 😄
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Hey Brazil nomads 🙂
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Just noticed the apple products in brazil are insanely expensive
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Wondering how viable it is for me to buy an extra macbook and try sell it in Brazil
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Hey ukpxcai this is extremely viable. A lot of people here will travel to the US and will pay their whole trip by reselling products in Brazil. A MacBook can be some what harder to sell, specially with the current exchange from BRL to USD, as it is pretty rare to see anyone using a MacBook that isn’t for work. If I were you I would try to bring an iPhone, they’re much easier to resell, but the profit is smaller with iPhones. You could also checkout Grabr (search for it, I can’t post links), I think they have high fees, but you can bring much more products without having to worry about taxes since hardly any customs officer will try to tax you for bringing a louis vuitton purse from outside the country.
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Awesome
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How hard is it to sell the iphones once you get there?
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I would like to say it is easy, but I’m not sure how easy it would be. Do you speak any Portuguese? People will ask a lot of questions and try to bargain, so this might be a little annoying for someone that doesn’t speak a lot of Portuguese. I imagine you don’t have a bank account in Brazil, this would limit you in the sense that you wouldn’t be able to sell for someone that couldn’t meet you in person. So you could try using Mercado Livre (it’s like ebay) as they can give you a pre-paid credit card so you could sell to someone through their platform without the struggle of opening a bank account or anything else. But I think you would probably sell it very easily in a forum like MacMagazine’s forum (I can send you the link in a DM if you want).
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^ also, be careful with scammers when selling sought after items like iPhones on Mercado Livre. I’ve heard iPhone listings get multiple scam attempts every day.
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Yup! Be careful on Mercado Livre, their platform is safe and all, but there is a lot of scammers that will send you fake emails after they bought the product. Without speaking Portuguese it may be harder to distinguish the scam from a real email.
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cool, thanks iytj eyupkrshiaapjj
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