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Saw two people get busted for not buying a bus ticket today. โ‚ฌ95 fine each. Listening to them they and lie their way out of it was hilarious.
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Good, in what city?
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florence
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Italians right?
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they were all 'we tried to pay, look, i have the money in my hand', 'i didn't know how it worked, we just got here (they were on the bus TO the train station)' and then later she was all 'can't we just swipe our cards now?' showing she knew that was an option, but just chose not to.
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no aussies
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Ah ok, because we are quite famous for not paying on buses.
It happened to me too sometimes in Italy and not only to don't understand how to pay on buses, mainly because I'm not used to them (I use buses only traveling).
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if they were on the bus from the train station, i would probably have believed them. but they were going to the train station which meant they'd likely been there for a while. plus she knew that swiping her card was an option, she just didn't.
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i got caught out too once because i didn't know to stamp my ticket on the bus after the driver handed it to me. but i didn't fight with the guy who got me. these two argued the entire 18 minute ride to the station (which was kinda smart since that was their destination and otherwise they'd have to walk or wait for a new bus. lol)
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Is it really possible to pay on buses with card? Unbelievable, in my area I still need to find shops where they sell paper tickets :)
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yeah if you have a contactless card
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Driving in Italy ... zany_facegrimacingflushedscream
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Years ago an English girl moved in Italy and we became friends. At the beginning she said that Italians and me in particular are mad when driving. After one year she was driving like us man-shruggingjoy
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The only place where I really felt in danger was inside Palermo, that's a completely different story and if you are not ready stay far from that city :)
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Yeah, I have 0 desire to drive in a city. The highways are bad enough - where lanes don't exist and speed limits are minimum suggestions.
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In the highway if you stay in the first line on the right you don't risk anything. If you remain in the middle like a lot of people do and you don't go at least at 130 km/h you risk people passing on both left and right.
About limits it depends, in theory they are at 130, but cars usually when signing 130 are really going at 120, and there is a 10% of tolerance... so the result is that "expert drivers" keep the 145 km/h :)
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honestly it wasn't that horrible. just a few hair raising moments and a good chunk of cursing, mostly because my GPS was shouting instructions at me in italian, it was dark, i had a huge blind spot, and no one was letting me over. driving in cape town was worse. but it was worth it to see the village where my family came from.
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Hey there, can someone recommend a good coffee shop for working (tolerant staff, good acoustics, strong WiFi) in Milan?
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On the tarmac in Rome looking at a plane emblazoned with "United States of America" and a dozen black car motorcade, armed escorts, press and a slew of feds. Wondering who is in town...
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A few days ago Ivanka Trump was in Roma with her husband.
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Hey everyone, anyone in Palermo?
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I was there a few months ago. if you want to meet young locals I strongly suggest you to visit PYC (Palermo Youth Center), around 30 minutes on foot from the cathedral).
They have also good beer and good panini.
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I've been hearing some really discouraging things about Palermo, is it worth it to spend 5 weeks tops there?
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I spent exactly 5 weeks there between the end of January and the beginning of March :)
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If you like I can give you the number of my owner, very clean and nice two rooms flat at 300 m from the Cathedral on a quite secondary street, I also worked from there.
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Palermo is a very beautiful city, capital of a really amazing region. I went away angry with people but totally in love with the land. If you like I can give you a lot of tips.
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And if when there you don't like it you could always come to Marche, there are direct flights Palermo-Ancona :)
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Wow thank you!! I'll dm you now :)
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what a waste of resources
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I have a friend in Catania (obviously not Palermo but still Sicily), and she loves it there. Definitely want to visit when I get a chance.
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Catania too is nice and far less chaotic than Palermo, but Palermo is more beautiful for me, and not too far from Palermo there are plenty of amazing places to visit.
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I spent 6 months in Palermo around a year ago and left a bunch of tips in the .xls in the description of the channel :)
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Palermo is a great base to explore Sicily in general (incredible nature) but it's rather hard to meet people who speak english other than Erasmus students and there's not much to do after a month or two. Personally, I'd go back to Sicily to stay in Siracusa
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In February I found a meetup group with some expat living there, but apparently it disappeared. I agree with you that it's not easy to live there if you don't know Italian, and actually I was thinking to go to Siracusa too, I completely missed everything below Catania and I still have to do some treks on Etna.
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I'd go back to Siracusa in a heartbeat just to eat the best panini of my life again ๐Ÿคค
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One of my favourite was in Agrigento, panino con la meusa (milza). I loved it there, much less in some places inside Palermo.
In Palermo I tried panini with "stigghiola" (close to the Norman bridge, in the late afternoon) and with "frittola" (on the top of the historical market, in the morning), both very strange but good.
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For sure Sicilia is great about street food, better than other Italian regions. I'm going to Thailand and I'm a bit thrilled about it :)
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How's the wifi down there?
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Been thinking of spending some time in Catania/Palermo as well :)
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In my flat close to the Palermo's cathedral it was a bit shitty, maybe 10Mbit/s in download and 1 in upload and not so stable. But not a big deal, I have two sim cards with 50GB in both and I pay 8โ‚ฌ a month for each one.
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Is the 10% tolerance works in an average speed zone (Tutor)? Italians are always driving slower there for some reason.
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There is a "myth" tutors (a speed radar calculating an average of the speed between two of them, usually they are on "bridges" and there is a sign) apparently calculate your average only if you are driving above the limit under them. I think it's a bullshit, but a truck driver friend of mine told me it's true and doing like this he never got a ticket... so I do it too :)
Actually I always drive above the limits and I never got a ticket on the highway so it could be true.
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I had a decent internet connection (like 20mbit down 1 up) but not very stable in my apartment in the old town right next to Pizzeria Frida. However, I've managed to work a lot from a coworking space in which you don't pay entrance fee, just buy things in the cafe and earn credits to use the space, it's called Magneti Cowork. Really helpful!
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WOW!!!! Thank you so much eqxkxozxw for providing that excel sheet and info! This was super kind of you and I'm going to check it out right away. We're booked in Sicily for about 6 weeks so I am happy to hear that that's about the amount of time we're going to spend there and move on.
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hywpstwqpqknnzoltafvfrf just arrived in Bologna, #italy
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pbnnixvsvokppozvxrdnlrtr just arrived in Florence, #italy
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dnkdjnikcudgdgqrpk just arrived in Sassari, , #italy
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BRUHHHH YOU STAYING IN ITALY THIS NOVEMBER?!?! gxcsueckuoymnatqqe
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I just came back from Italy, where will you be??
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Where did you go?
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Sardinia โค๏ธ
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you?
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Most recently Bologna and Roma back in October and Milano, Firenze and Siena back in March. Never been that far south but would love to check it out.
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how is Sardinia south?
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haha
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Well it is South of Roma, which is like the half way point, and Cagliari is one of the largest southern cities outside of Sicily.
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What do you mean outside Sicily?
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there are larger cities in sicily
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Will be in Napoli this week then Palermo for a month if anyone is around, would be fun to grab a drink with nomads!
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Also if anyone has recommendations or knows a good gym in either (checking the channel doc too)
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viatqmtfa just arrived in Milan, #italy
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Hi All!
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Anyone in Rome?
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jpordbdl how long are you going to be there for? I am arriving on Thursday.
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Anyone know if there is something similar to Classpass in Italy? It's an app that allows you to buy credits (monthly) and then use them for a whole bunch of different work outs/yoga/gyms...etc.
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I will stay for 1 week, leaving on sunday.
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nphvkr just arrived in San Marcello, #italy
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in a few european countries you can use Urban Sports Club, but not sure if theyโ€™re in Italy
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Thank you ahkpsjvay will check it out.
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In Naples from Thursday..Say Hi if anyone around!
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krehpdof just arrived in ๐Ÿ• Naples, #italy
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My wife and are in rome until the 14th. Let us know if you would like to hang out!
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Weather ssssssuuuccckksss.
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I returned in my village, in Marche, three days ago after four weeks in Thailand... I want to cry ๐Ÿ˜‚
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So much rain :(
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Yo anyone in Rome?
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I am. My last day tomorrow actually.
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atpknofshwfdgnrsq bpvjtdehhgevki nuvbfispgtu nomad meetup tomorrow in Rome?
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Saturday November 23rd? Sounds fun!
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ozwazdzi just arrived in Florence, #italy
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I am wandering right now
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Sorry. I've been non-stop working.
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Are yous till around?
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Happy to have dinner?
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Ah I just see you're in Florence, I am going there tomorrow.
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Just arrived in Florence
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Tip for people passing around (I feel sad seeing people visiting always the same famous cities...):

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ya'll need to haul butts to Sicily ๐Ÿ˜Ž ๐Ÿ
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for real
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Palermo is a bit of a surprise
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i mean, I am also surprised at the amount of dog ๐Ÿ’ฉ
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but, still
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i am surprised at how lovely the city is ๐Ÿ˜†
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Also my first impression of Palermo was very bad due to dog shit, rubbish and people who tried to cheat at every transaction... but the city is lovable, and after one month I was sorry to leave. Enjoy granite, arancine, cannoli e cassate ๐Ÿ‘
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I bought a iPhone cable today here in Milan off this asian electronics shop and had the guy tell me the cheaper cable I chose to buy will stop working after a couple of days and be rejected by iOS and I should buy the more expensive one... I called bs and bought it anyway. Counting down the days..
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> Palermo is a bit of a surprise
This.
Already 4 weeks in the area, 3 more to go. I was afraid it could be a shithole but it's a really cool place.
Nice weather, nice people, safe, and on the cheaper side of things (relatively to EU). There is also lots of stuff to do. (Just ignore the trash and traffic and you should be okay)
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Just arrived and here until mid January. There is a noticeable difference from area to area. I mean it is not really more dirty than say CM where massive rats jump through garbage bags and you catch the horrible sewage smell if you walk on the wrong side of the road. It's a bit on the lower end in comparison to other places in Europe but definitely better than developing Asia but still no where near TTS (Taipei, Tokyo, Singapore)
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There are villages in Sicilia where mayors are giving houses for free to people moving there the residency, I'll never understand why people able to move for work prefer to buy tiny houses in grey and crowded cities when they could have an house almost for free in Sicilia, Basilicata, Molise...
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eoqoim I like being able to walk and urban environments cater much more to me. Being out in the middle of nowhere in a big house doesn't really appeal to me.
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It appeals to me though lolol
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however those deals come with a huge catch
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One MUST invest a minimum of several thousands of euros in the renovation of the property
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In the 99.9% of the cases with those thousands of euro you can pay max a year of rent in most of big European cities
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Is it up front though? ๐Ÿค”
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The main problem is these are ghost towns with almost nothing in them. Probably infrastructure also not really modern.
True that Sicilian country side (or probably wherever they offer houses for a buck in Italy) is beautiful, but idk if I'd spend more than a few weeks in such a place without going nuts.

And ukzwhi - it's not that you're getting a house/farm with 360 views or anything, you're getting a small place, probably on a narrow street with lot's of empty apartments inside a village.
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Yeah that's true, but there are also a lot of people who like more this than being alone in a small and crowded place in city, and don't know about this opportunity.
I'm just sad because I see a lot of little villages abandoned and close to die, also in my area, and I'm trying to fight it a bit.
The problem of people leaving the countryside to live on the concrete of course is a world thing, and not only here... I see a lot of the Foundation series in it (Asimov).
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Considering that in most of big expensive cities for a year of rent of a (very) little flat you can pay between 5k and 10k, and that renewing a flat you can have back a half of the money with taxes I think it's a quite honest estimate. Of course it depends where and how big is the place.
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Yeah it definitely is sad. You see it all around, and these villages are (or were) sometimes really unique and have a lot of character you'd never see in a big city. In Sicily, from my short experience, it still feels like in the transition phase. In other parts of the world it's way past that, unfortunately
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orofmz How are you trying to fight it? Did you purchase property here?
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I spent most of my savings to refurbish a flat in the village where I was born and grown, because in my case I don't need to move to Sicilia to stay in a 2k people village far from big cities :slightly_smiling_face:
Moreover I try to publicize these kind of things, to let people think that there is not a big difference in watching a smartphone in a crowded square or in a wood (if not that when you move the eyes from the smartphone you see beautiness and not concrete).
And I'm trying to push politicians in the direction which I think is right in the 2020 in the information era it's stupid pushing people to move in expensive (and energy-consuming) cities for work, every village should have a coworking space and good connectivity, and companies should be encouraged to hire people who decide to live in villages/areas at risk of "desertification".
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"a bit of a shithole"? ๐Ÿ˜ haha
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the trash system definitely cracks me up.. since it seems like it is no longer happening on my street but people keep putting new bags out ๐Ÿ˜‚
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it is definitely an area that has a lot of families stuck in poverty, that is for sure
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I didn't say it is a shithole, but that was my initial thought heh.
After a few weeks of wandering around the smaller parts of the island before arriving to Palermo, I didn't know what to expect. It's definitely a cool place though, that's the point ๐Ÿ™‚
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Seriously super cool
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Okay, so who's in Sicily?
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We're in Palermo
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Palermo too! (2 ppl)
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Awesome! prhbmumaxhbnwmcmj and I are a package deal ๐Ÿ˜† 3 whole people, mamma mia!
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What part of the city are you in UR4H64VB2?
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We found some cool coworking space in the city
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We're currently at Magneti Coworking
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but we wont be staying long this afternoon
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we also went to Cre.Zi Plus in the art/film school and that was cool but it was a bit of a trek for us to do daily
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I think there's a lot of uni students at these coworking spaces ๐Ÿค”
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ssctdqcl are you in Palermo too!? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ
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We're somewhere between Politeama and the train station, so not that far from Magneti.
Are you guys in the coworking space every day?
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We just arrived on the 1st and today we're officially back to work, so this is our first day at any coworking space working. Testing it out, so to speak
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and yay! I am so happy to hear that there are other nomads in the area!!
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Are you guys at coworking spaces everyday? It would be fun to have a lunch/cafe crew started
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get our daily allotment of socialization in ๐Ÿ˜†
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We didn't go yet, we saw a few spaces that looked odd, but didn't know about Magneti so we may go. Probably not every day though. We are here till Christmas so would definitely love to have lunch/coffee/beer or meet at the cowork! ๐Ÿ˜Ž
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yeah! that sounds great
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we're at Magneti now, but I'm not sure for how much longer today before we head back home
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There's a small "loud space" and a much larger quiet zone
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The best part about it is that's it's free to use
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Free? Hmm so what's the catch? ๐Ÿค”
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I'm not entirely sure, actually. You have to give the main company your email to get onto the wifi
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there's also a coffee bar with sandwiches
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Cool
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We'll check it out probably later this week
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I have two colleagues living in/from Palermo, if you miss something or you have any kind of problem I could ask for tips
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If you're into street food, we did a short tour in one of the markets with an awesome guy, can send y'all the link. Other than that I don't have any real recommendations other than walking around ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
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Thanks UHX7J24EP!
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About street food I can recommend a guy with a metal cart close to Ponte Normanno preparing Stigghiola, in the afternoon (the heaviest thing ever eaten).
Close to Mercato Il Capo, on the top, in the morning there is a old man selling panino with "frittola", another very "strange" thing, totally recommended.
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Yeah both of these are very weird :-) I did try the Frittola in the Capo, the other one looked too hardcore for me (in another place)
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For somebody Frittola is shit and better to avoid, for me they were both interesting... but I'm the one who tried and appreciated every kind of thing I've found in Thailand too, various insects too :sweat_smile:
Anyway, in Sicilia the quality of food is amazing I had an opportunity to join a tasting class about cheese (produced inside Parco delle Madonie) and I felt touched eating that ricotta... I miss Sicilia, enjoy!
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I am thinking about doing a free workshop for how to use maps and GIS in anyone's workflow ๐Ÿค”
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I'm thinking of approaching a coworking space to see if they want to host it, but, my biggest concern is language ๐Ÿ˜…
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In IT context everyone speaks/understands English well enough, in Sicilia too
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Just in case :slightly_smiling_face:

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that's great!
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Iโ€™ve worked a ton at Magneti when I was in Palermo 2 years ago and at the time you basically had to purchase stuff in their cafe in exchange for hours
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I loved that place
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The Moleskin cafe in Milan is essentially a free coworking space up top I think they expect you to purachse coffee at the least tho
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I saw that review vyjqbpcvgbh lol
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Good to see my tips are making waves lol
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Have any of yโ€™all seriously looked at or toured some of the 1 euro houses?
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Not too down with dealing with the mob
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We're at magneti today if someone's around
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Whats a good working spot besides Moleskine Cafe in Milan? Many cafes dont allow laptops lol
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red cafe
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theres a few in milan
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"RED Feltrinelli"
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they are like book stores / cafes
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Coffice was nice
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not sure about power points but ive seen people working in these, theres a top level at "RED Feltrinelli Brera" that usually has a few people working on laptops
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lol of course y
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y'all are at magneti today
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yup
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jonathan's trying to save Hyrule
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lolol
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hy-what?
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ocarina of time?
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you lost me
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Means I am procrastinating and playing my nintendo switch
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lol alright thanks for the translation :wink:
We already left but I'll let you know next time too
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Palermo Gang Y'all wanna get together for some drinks tomorrow?
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I wanna check out the old city night life
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apparently, according to our Airbnb host it's THE place to go for a pub crawl
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I don't drink heavily, but I am in for a glass or two of vino and some good company! blushwave
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ALSO I made some legit spaghetti carbonara tonight in my little kitchenette soo I'm feeling pretty good about myself lolol sunglassesspaghetti
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Yeah the Vucciria market area especially is really cool for night life. Let's see tomorrow afternoon but I think we'll be down for a drink
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Any favourite places that spring to mind?
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I can't remember the names, but the street where the market itself runs during the day is full of bars
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Palermo Gang What's shakin' tonight? Any plans? Anyone want to grab a drink in old town?
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We are heading in to old town, will be around.
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Yeah we're down for a drink, say around 8/9 pm?
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Piazza Rivoluzione, Piazza SantAnna and the Vucciria market should be good, but anything else is cool too
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ok cool, we'll check in for 8:30pm, which piazza do you prefer? we haven't been to any yet, so you guys should pick
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they're all not so far apart so we can try Rivoluzione first and see how it looks. Meet y'all by the statue at 8:30pm?
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sure that sounds great, see you there for 8:30pm. Will message on slack if we're lost or something
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awesome
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We may have a 5 min delay ๐Ÿค
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Hey we're walking now, 17 minutes out
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Tell us what bar you're gonna be at and we'll meet
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Ok
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We're there, I think it should be worth checking the other piazza too
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We made it
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To Rivoluzione
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Sitting on a bench ๐Ÿ‘Œ
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Look left?
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Had a great night tonight with Tusan and Yael! Hope I got your names right!! sweat_smileblush I think we're going out again next weekend so if anyone else wants to meet up feel free to join!
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lol no! That's just my user handle :joy:
Had a great time, and oh, so many valuable tips for us rookies, still trying to wrap my head around it.

We'll probably see ya at Magneti before but definitely next weekend! (Although I think we missed the real action of the old city, at least now we know)
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Yeah let's definitely check it out, it looked super lively as we were walking home
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Cool cool cool totally getting frustrated with the internet here ๐Ÿ˜…
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At Magneti? It was pretty stable for me last week!
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my only italy experience is southern italy, but it seemed really important to ask ahead for people to run speed tests
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so much of naples and palermo have home internet on bad 4g lines
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Yeah, our previous Airbnb had a 4 Mbps downstream and upload was non-existent (needless to say, it was also impossible to access any mobile network)
Now in Palermo we get ~70/70 Mbps which is more than enough. Magneti has great speeds too
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openfiber.it/en/br />Open Fiber is connecting almost all Italy, they started more than one year ago and "one day" all the country will be connected, I saw them also in my little village. I'm keeping strong with my 7 Mbit/s and tethering with Vodafone/Iliad when it's not enough :muscle:
The best thing you can do if staying anywhere in this country for more than a couple of weeks is to buy a Iliad sim card and use those 50 GB of traffic.
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i messaged a collection of hosts when booking, 6 replied with actual internet info
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4 of those were like 5/1 or worse 4g connections
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2 were fiber
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I guess I just got lucky this time
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