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dpielafgtm1mo
haha true. one day at a time is how i’m dealing with it. most of us here have the luxury of coming and going whenever we want (within visa period of course), so that already gives us more options than the average person. from everything i’ve read, it seems like the virus isn’t scary because it’s so deadly, but more because of its ability to overwhelm the healthcare system. it’s like a massive bank-run.
rwjsm1mo
Exactly, being the transmission exponential (2.5), and the difficult cases 5% of the total, right now it isn't so dangerous, but it could be if the healthcare system is overwhelmed.
eyahsgzosbw1mo
wat
skeprjpurx1mo
i think many places are hurting for tourism money because of the virus
keadbixtjh1mo
so that’s the dilema for travelers and people living there…. encourage tourists to continue coming so that the economy isn’t wrecked, or risk more infections.
rxvrodntiv1mo
there’s no right or wrong answer,
ieqxsaekjpdln1mo
yeah. and italy is getting hit hard because they have a lot of known cases because they're being really proactive in testing. i doubt they have statistically more cases than elsewhere, they are just testing more and therefore finding more.
qcvpiyivgz1mo
but it does highlight dependency of the economy on tourism
pszinlwyqm1mo
yeah, and that’s why many countries are afraid to test, for fear of wrecking their economy
sjpckbhpux1mo
but then putting the health of their citizens at risk
axsdyqsamkvog1mo
yep. it's sad that they're getting hammered because they're being proactive.
mwjlykvkqa1mo
i think everyone’s getting hammered now
yvlyffpwyw1mo
if anything, i hope this will make everyone rethink dependency of economies on tourism alone
nxhftvshuccjz1mo
i hear it more about italy and asia than anywhere else
lzmextnm1mo
The prime minister where my company is registered said quarantine is obligatory and sick leave would not be paid by the country as it is per usual, so, I love you Italy, but another time…
rxvaqlossn1mo
which country is that U0E1ME1UJ?
jsafoipc1mo
bulgaria
zexexlqiqk1mo
I think that Thailand, Indonesia, and Cambodia are afraid that their economies will be ruined if they test.
gpeyxslfpf1mo
Of course, other SEA nations as well, but I have a gut feeling that those 3 in particular are hoping for the best and looking the other way.
sewuifxosshdf1mo
that would not surprise me
okdratnlru1mo
I was going to go pick up my snowboard in Sofia in March 😂
zdqyffxzai1mo
I’m in Romania now and kind of expecting it to hit Romania pretty soon, considering how many Romanians work in Italy.
bqsjnher1mo
Same here, so I really dont know what it will be in two weeks in terms of travel :)
xfhtgoys1mo
If it gets bad you can ask for it to be shipped to you if it cannot stay in Sofia for a while. Econt, Rapido and speedy ship to Romania. Speedy is the least liked, keep it the last option out of these ones.
lwaayffelbozn1mo
if you can wait until april i can bring it from bulgaria to romania for you.
fcyjcjrqls1mo
thank 😄
lrvklrweqg1mo
i was also planning on visiting my friend in Sofia
dhzwxoqpnor1mo
> this was just posted in my italian citizenship group.
Which one?
iklwyskqyu1mo
are you doing the #vanlife thing now, U03K95VPN?
mvswtydxvq1mo
last i read somewhere that you bought a van
dzjvhcqvlsfp1mo
I'm in Tokyo from tomorrow on and the prices for hotels have dropped like crazy
dchqbfxryxel1mo
I wonder already how much impact that's gonna have on the other aspects of the trip
ylocmgxwdgxsa1mo
mxcftkcajob i start shopping in late march
mhkywlkjyngwn1mo
then i'll go back to BG for a month to register/insure, do some basic setup. then heading north to get to northern poland by mid-june.
mjlmekculdxea1mo
will bop around romania for a few weeks.
pkfzldxuhr1mo
Nice. If I had a van I think I'd also hot the Adriatic coast too. There are so many beautiful beaches.
fncjpycrug1mo
I hope you plan on seeing eastern Romania too
jmeobytrwqubh1mo
i've no plans for where i'm going.
fwhyupzhls1mo
That's the best plan lol
puopbmpjhrdur1mo
i'll spend plenty of time on the adriatic in winter
xkdhljseiafem1mo
yeah. all i have to do is be in gdansk on the 15th of june
kpoxupsteoajw1mo
then prague on the 25th.
ogpiemfpjrhkk1mo
other than that 🤷‍♀️
breigjonmbl1mo
Thanks; that’s still quite a bit in the future for me (if I’m lucky) but it won’t hurt for me to try to get further informed
ltyhxtlyrfjnx1mo
do you qualify through family? the process can take years so if it's something you are considering it might be worth starting sooner than later.
xvmiubijxunqt1mo
just getting an appointment is 2-3 years out in some cities.
esiivywqtmm1mo
No, I don’t qualify via any blood relatives; my partner and her family are all native Italians living in Italy. My motive these days is to gain at least a PdS and a long-stay visa, but even that combo is proving to be very difficult - me being in my early 50s doesn’t help. The van option is an outgrowth of this coupled with a daughter being in Germany.
ibrzczdxetple1mo
ah, gotcha. good luck!
cmbyehsqylm1mo
Speaking of vans, I’ve found that registering in France (via a business) may work for me. Its location is definitely easier for me driving-wise (for inspection) than BG.
wlragersbaxgx1mo
nice. yeah, would def be more convenient. given schengen issues, BG was easiest for me. I will potentially move it when i get my Italian citizenship. but maybe not, depends on how that would impact residency and taxes.
gmrpssetgor1mo
I’ve read that some Italian municipalities are cracking down on _residents_ driving vehicles with non-Italian plates :confused:
Still, I’d expect that they’d be targeting premium vehicles.
ohqrlnwfkkffw1mo
yeah, but i don't really intend to establish residency for tax purposes. now i pay 0 taxes. if i establish residency in IT i'd have to start paying taxes. I don't particularly want to do that. 🙂
xhzcgfkkzczbk1mo
though my italian friends laughed when i told them that and told me as long as the money is not made in italy and doesn't touch an italian bank they won't know or care.
klznkhzngoovw1mo
and even without the above, they wouldn't do anything.
xluzqjbhozg1mo
Schengen issues being that you can ‘simply’ have a separate 90-days/180 schedule vs that for the Schengen?
And hell, IT is murderous with taxation.
Being _nero_ is a necessity for many.
wwxcbvpkihvpl1mo
currently i have to abide by schengen. since BG isn't schengen it makes more sense to base from there. if i was registered in france and had to get there for certifications/etc. i'd have to plan my entire schengen time around it to ensure i have enough time to get in/out.
zdjjuarqqfn1mo
Had you considered other non-Schengen EU countries on the continent? I, too, must abide - which is a real challenge given that ‘my people’ live in it.
(In my stay in Sofia I’ve been humbled by my utter lack of comprehension of Bulgarian, but that can’t be too surprising since I hadn’t prepared for it :grin:)
ipzweolaicmwb1mo
it was the one that made the most sense at the time with my research. plus i spend a decent amount of time there anyway since i have friends there. the challenge was that i required that it be an EU country that is non schengen. that limits the options a LOT and BG was the only one with readily available info on how it works.
nhobgjcwdynuh1mo
plus when i started i was contemplating buying property there so it made sense.
drlpvebsvhl1mo
> the only one with readily available info on how it works.
Sorry - how what works?

If I bale on pursuing a visa - even one of these emerging digital nomad visas (vs. freelance) - and continue to explore EU+non-Schengen countries, I may include Romania if only because I enjoy what I know of its language. Still, eventually these countries will be in the Schengen, but I’d better have my situation worked out before then!
gssozatpupuox1mo
setting up a business and buying a vehicle
mwrtjwlxpubul1mo
i'm surprised you can't just get a spousal visa if your wife is a citizen...
vbcvracaebktv1mo
yeah, BG has already been approved for schengen and is starting to prepare for implementation. ETA 2021.
iwsuwjxnfhd1mo
My Italian partner and I are not married.
Ages ago I was married to a German but we lived in the States.
qbcdzoajgiyxi1mo
ah gotcha. sorry, thought you said wife.
gxefspjtoet1mo
It’s ok 🙂 That’d be at least another two years from now; I want/need to establish something sometime this year.
Given my familiarity with Germany, my hope is that they’d adopt a digital nomad visa, but I’m skeptical that it’ll ever happen given their usual emphasis on being a registered resident (with some form of accommodation). I expect Italy to continue to be far more resistant than Germany, Portugal, etc. to any forms of immigration. Suckage.
xcxrvbogqpvvh1mo
yeah everywhere i've heard of that offers some kind of visa option also requires residency for at least 6 months if not the whole time. i mean you have the whole 'it's schengen, they can't prove you weren't there' thing but you'd still have to pay for a place.
dmtjvnqjomj1mo
Has anyone encountered any oddities when arriving at Bergamo these past few days?
I’m scheduled to arrive tomorrow.
prcgcwlorly1mo
ssoabhuhcmzh just arrived in Milan #italy
aycuaszemueu30d
Definitely curiously to hear your experience. I am schedule to travel to Milan on the 11th
mqdshbzxqve30d
It was uneventful at the airport. I was arriving from Sofia and had my temperature scanned (as did all arriving passengers) just as it had been when I arrived here from London on the 12th of February.
hpevqmmghdd30d
I’m in Milan frequently and it seems even emptier than when it’s the holidays (winter or summer). The M3 metro was _really_ empty - especially odd for a Saturday. Lots of masks, as expected, but also lots of people more carefree.
okqxsynqjphw30d
Yeah, I travel to Milan pretty regularly, have been checking in with my friends there. Getting a mixture of responses. Some say it is pretty quiet like you. Some say things are pretty normal. Heard Chinatown is pretty shutdown though.
khsrufcjspca30d
Sounds like people are relaxing a bit though, that is good at least
hfwjhbzldqv29d
> Some say it is pretty quiet like you. Some say things are pretty normal.
Granted, I haven’t been in every section of the city/metro area, but I’ve been in the neighborhoods around Zara, Garibaldi, and Bocconi. It’s far quieter than usual overall, but definitely there are pockets where one would never know that there’s anything different going on.
qynxw22d
Little recap for nomads willing to come in Italia during the following weeks/months.
Right now a good part of Lombardia and Veneto, plus other areas (like Rimini and Pesaro, just above mine) are in red zone, it means that people cannot enter/leave without a valid reason. Almost every kind of social event/meeting/whatever is canceled. In all the country people are encouraged to stay at home, specially elderly ones, and in public places (bars, restaurants, ...) in theory they should stay one meter far to each other.
Useless to say that the situation is not much serious than the rest of the world, but the public healthcare system is suffering and it risks to collapse if the number of infected will increase more (and it will for sure).
I guess the government decided for the strict rules because we know each other and it's obvious that a lot of people people won't give a shit and they'll continue to do everything like usual (for instance bar in my village since yesterday is just a little less crowded than usual).

ctdjb21d
Right now the premier said that all Italy is red zone and everything will be closed, for all the time necessary to keep the problem under control (I guess 2/3 weeks).
inaeyqlnonwad21d
Discovered that they lady I'm sharing a room with is from northern Italy. Lol. We shall see...
xdwdy21d
Anyway, in France and Germany have numbers just a little lower, right now nationality doesn't make a big difference.
(and in France yesterday there was a meeting with thousands of people dressed like smurfs...)
qkjaqczewutma21d
Yeah, I'm not overly worried. I was in multiple airports yesterday. I can only do what I can do. It just caused me to chuckle.
adnef21d
I still don't believe that in Italy we are doing this. Before I went to the bar in my little village to see how is the situation and there were just the bartender and a couple of friends of mine.
Carabinieri passed a little earlier saying that he had to remove all the food from the table (I grow up with that shit on the table during the happy hour) and nobody playing cards, something never seen in that place.
hgapnlgirzjoh21d
The cards thing is interesting and makes sense.
yajoe21d
Of course, also the food on the table for everybody. I told him on Saturday and he didn't believe me, today he risked that they forced him to close. In my little village of 2000 people, with no more than a few "cities" of 40k/100k in a radius of 100km. Nothing never happens in my village but it's happening in parallel with all the rest of Italy, I'm impressed.
eqxcxq21d
My plan was to head back to Italy in August...I can't imagine an Italy without everyone sitting outside of restaurants and bars, having an appertivo, drinking wine on the steps of the fountain....
trvyn21d
In August there will be a zombie apocalypse if it won't be solved :slightly_smiling_face:
I've been living all my life in a little village like the one you just described, you can guess my surprise, today the bartender was visibly worried while yesterday he was joking about it...
ideoa21d
I live and work alone, in countryside and with enough food for a couple of weeks and hectars of land to cultivate if necessary, I just miss a rifle to survive a zombie apocalypse :joy:
(anyway for anyone reading, I'm Couchsurfing ambassador, I have a lot of space and I love to host and show people around when I'm here, for free of course)
blbrms21d
yea I've noticed the sentiment of my friends (even in Rome) changed from 2 weeks ago to now. 2 weeks ago they joked about it, today, they said, it's coming to Rome. Not just a north problem anymore. Really hope this thing is solved worldwide pronto!...
ndxee20d
www.facebook.com/124169224260997/photos/a.582170358460879/3094765503868006/br />The bar in my village, hearth of the community, in 65 years always owned by the same family, it's still exactly like when it opened, it was used to be closed one week a year and usually it opens before 6:00 am and close after midnight (often also much after midnight). Today it was closed at 6pm. Sad moment, society is like freezed.
kphzerlpkh19d
Better to freeze things temporarily, so that there will be a society... grinsob
zoxnnjwwqvi19d
By Friday I’ll be departing Milan and heading to Sofia. It isn’t the strict measures that are pushing me out, but the bane of Schengen day management.
I was to be in Edinburgh on the 14th, but my receiving party got cold feet and canceled our plans.
Despite the restrictions and the (maybe) relative risk, I wish that I could stay here.
tgdzmkkc19d
Are you considering self quarantine?
iffod19d
New decision of the boss from tomorrow all public activities (every kind of shop, bar, restaurant) will be closed 24h but supermarkets/groceries and pharmacies.
dscxztem19d
What about public transport, UHX7J24EP?
agvvy19d
fodyuysjs All the transports and services like banks, post offices, insurances and so on still working.

"Resta ovviamente garantito lo svolgimento dei servizi pubblici essenziali tra cui i trasporti, dei servizi di pubblica utilità dei servizi bancari, postali, finanziari, assicurativi nonché di tutte quelle attività necessarie, comunque accessorie, rispetto al corretto funzionamento dei settori rimasti in attività."

xbfxkchl19d
Thanx
fwibxazncly18d
_Public_ transport, but so far I’ve only seen a single airport bus trip from Centrale to BGY (at 5.00) and BGY to Centrale (at 21.00). orioshuttle.com/_eng/pdf/OS_01_ENG.pdf
rfahsnmpndo18d
and now that’s gone; from what I understand the only route from central Milan to BGY is via Trenord and a bus via Bergamo itself
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