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We (Annette and I) won't make it, either. Been a long day here for us, so we choose the couch over art & wine tonight.

To whoever is going, though Enjoy it! And pics (or it didn't happen)!
๐Ÿ›ฌ iorffwqrmgi just arrived in ๐ŸŒŠ Cape Town, #south-africa
Does anyone know if it's possible to arrive without a pcr test into the country from Europe?Can an antigen test be enough?
I ask as the gov za site says you can get one on arrival if you don't have one, makes it seem almost optional
Hey everyone, my partner and I are thinking of spending some time in Cape Town in April, how is it there and how safe is it at night? As a woman, is it okay for me to go out by myself during the day/night? How is the post covid situation there (restrictions, crime etc), let me know thanks!
Like everywhere, there's areas to avoid.
I wouldn't walk around most places at night, though the richest neighbourhoods (eg Sea Point) should be a bit better. Just Uber/drive around.

Day is fine, but especially in the city centre or generally commercial hubs you have to be street smart. The usual of don't show any valuables applies.

Covid restrictions are very minimal, and contact tracing is all but gone. SA has has a low case load compared to the rest of the world. Masks are technically still required (especially in any actual venues), but outside a lot of people are ignoring it. There's a special exception that you are allowed to be mask-less if you are walking or running in areas that people exercise in (e.g. parks, the promenade)
If it allows that, then might be worth a try. I assume your concern is cost wise? I know EU PCR tests are expensive, but they're price capped here AFAIK
PSA In Cape Town specifically (I'm guessing other areas too), there's a bit of an issue with Uber currently. Uber takes a large cut of driver earnings, and prices haven't gone up much despite heavy fuel price increases. Drivers can now see trip length and price, so unless you're going on long trips expect some delays in getting a driver to accept a trip. This is especially a problem in Cape Town CBD from my experience lately.

Bolt and Didi are alternatives, but can't guarantee driver quality on those as I believe they're a bit less stringent with their vetting (though Uber has laxed theirs too for the Go tier)
Hey! Not a woman of course but I just left Cape Town after a month and a half. There are plenty of safe neighbourhoods in Cape Town. Itโ€™s a great city and would say itโ€™s as safe if not safer than any large city in Colombia. Greenpoint, Waterfront, Crooks Bay super safe, awesome neighborhoods. CBD can be a bit more exciting but still pretty safe IMO
Loren is correct. Crime stats are high but mostly localised to the poorer areas (gang violence). City is mostly petty crime.

As for racial tensions, it's a highly variable and complex topic. It shouldn't affect your stay however as far as I'm aware.
dvsfghipmswxtdgse Thanks for letting me know!
djrkqxxdzvzczn Thanks! Which areas do you guys recommend staying in that are safe, closer to the beach/city/other nomads
h2mo
๐Ÿ›ฌ skr just arrived in ๐ŸŒŠ Cape Town, #south-africa
Sea Point/Green Point, Camps Bay, Vredehoek/Gardens/Oranjezicht/Tamboerskloof. Still parts of those areas I wouldn't recommend at night but they're the fancier areas. Camps Bay especially but it's pricey.

Not exactly representative of the average South African experience, but very nice areas on their own ๐Ÿ™‚
๐Ÿ›ฌ gcdbozjgdh just arrived in ๐ŸŒŠ Cape Town, #south-africa
๐Ÿ›ฌ paiybazpvk just arrived in ๐ŸŒŠ Cape Town, #south-africa
Heading to Port Elizabeth/Gqeberha tomorrow for 4 weeks. Any other nomads in that part of SA?
๐Ÿ›ฌ etugcejodnuz just arrived in ๐Ÿ‡ฟ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Port Elizabeth, #south-africa
๐Ÿ›ฌ tmoecndfzhnw just arrived in ๐ŸŒŠ Cape Town, #south-africa
Hey folks, first round in a totally foreign place where I don't have friends and crushing time change (and 48 hours of flights lol).

Thinking of just working and being antisocial for a couple days while I adjust. Can anyone recommend laid back stuff to do or a reliable place to eat a few times without crazy effort?

Can't believe how lazy I sound but trying to give me body a little recovery time...it's 6am and I still taste coffee and wine from the flight ๐Ÿ˜…
Welcome! And yeah take your time with rest. Where are you staying? I'd recommend a walk on the promenade (sea point/mouille point). While you're around there make sure to go through the Green Point Park.

For easy food, just go to one of the supermarkets as they all have decent premade food sections (and will be cheaper than ordering out all the time). Woolworths and Spar are the priciest but generally most high quality. Checkers & Pick n Pay I'd recommend after that. If you spot a place called Food Lover's Market (there aren't too many of them), it's probably worth popping in for some food too.
teio2mo
Hey gang. Iโ€™m going to Afriakburn April 25 but now thinking about coming a few weeks early and seeing Cape Town. Never been anywhere on the continent and pretty excited. Anything I should know/think about? Areas to stay in (and to avoid). Happy to read wherever you point me to.
teio2mo
And howโ€™s the feel for hiking during the day re safety? On a balance of probabilities you should be fine?
If you're doing hikes around Devil's Peak (Silvermine etc) be extra careful as there has been crime there a fair bit I've heard. Even groups of 7 being held up at knife point. The rest are fine as far as I know.
teio2mo
Aptly named then ๐Ÿ˜…
โ€ข Go to Camps Bay
โ€ข Grab a seat at Zenzero by the beach
โ€ข Order a cocktail or a coffee
โ€ข Relax
Iโ€™ve spent so much time in Zenzero itโ€™s one of my favourite chill out places. Lots of other nice places like that along Camps Bay
Ah you guys are the best! Slept a bunch now at this place near zenzero. Still getting a feel for culture here. Reminds me of a little LA with some Oahu and obviously something uniquely it's own
I always thought of Camps Bay as Africaโ€™s Beverly Hills ๐Ÿ˜„
I am staying in the gardens area...just had to look yesterday
You're not wrong haha
In hopes I don't sound like a snob, is Amex very uncommon here?
I canโ€™t remember tbh, i may have paid mostly with my other cards last time i was there (last Jan)
Ok cool. I was just in Ecuador and had my visa and mc swiped. Working on that matter today ๐Ÿ˜…
Amex is uncommon, not sure it's well supported except at higher end touristy places
Yea getting that impression :/ how is Diners here?
I'm not sure if it's a us thing but so many of out visa/mc just suck
Ah ok. What do you carry if you don't mind me asking?
Visa/MC is more common globally, and definitely the only two SA banks themselves offer. So merchant support can be limited.

I've got an MC and a Visa card with different banks
you got a camp U02JE04RD5F?
๐Ÿ›ฌ lropmtr just arrived in ๐Ÿ‡ฟ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Johannesburg, #south-africa
teio2mo
I do. Heading w/ some friends. Pretty informal camp. Are you goign?
It might make you want to stay here instead though ๐Ÿ˜…
anyone know anything about motorcycle rentals in cape town? just looking to ride around, nothing out of the oridinary
๐Ÿ›ฌ ukkswlqvtk just arrived in ๐Ÿ‡ฟ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Johannesburg, #south-africa
๐Ÿ›ฌ kuivldfzmx just arrived in ๐ŸŒŠ Cape Town, #south-africa
Hey everyone! I'm thinking of spending some time in Cape Town from the start of April (maybe 1-2 months?). Was wondering what the weather's like in April? Is it still beach weather, or hot enough to swim?
h2mo
It's not really ever hot enough to swim in Cape Town. :joy:

But April is fall. It'll be getting cooler and swimming opportunities will be more rare. Rain and wind will increase as well. Not worst time to be there though.
Haha, the more I'm looking into it, the more I'm seeing that, thank you!
Yeah I'm going with my girlfriend ixieca don't have a camp yet though ๐Ÿ™Š when you thinking of arriving in SA?
Did you see they've released tickets nyqyvvqu ?
Can anyone recommend a reliable Covid (PCR) testing centre in Cape Town?
Need to get a test done before I leave South Africa, and by "reliable" I mean you can be confident to get results in 24 hours. Ideally CBD area, but further away is fine too. Thanks for any tips - Google results are overwhelming!
h2mo
Next Pathology Cape Town CBD
+27 11 697 2931
h2mo
I've been tested there like a dozen times. Fast, efficient. No appointment necessary.
Thanks jfp that's exactly the sort of recommendation I needed! Much appreciated
h2mo
Any time
teio2mo
This week actually. Going to be in CT until the burn ๐Ÿ™
teio2mo
I'm landing there this week and can keep you postedโ€ฆbeing Canadian I'm expecting summer weather
hehe good luck - it is still warm, but summer is definitely over, and without indoor heating etc, people from northern hemisphere are sometimes surprised to find that they underpacked warm clothing ๐Ÿ˜„
๐Ÿ›ฌ ogfoqtfewifpub just arrived in ๐ŸŒŠ Cape Town, #south-africa
๐Ÿ›ฌ oixwcogig just arrived in ๐Ÿ‡ฟ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Johannesburg, #south-africa
๐Ÿ›ฌ lmfclwqddd just arrived in ๐Ÿ‡ฟ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Johannesburg, #south-africa
any input as to why people who are expats in SA (or on work visa) "can't wait to get out?"

ive heard this from a few friends now, assuming it's crime related. but others say the benefits outweigh the crime as it's mostly gangs, and as long as you have decent street smarts
coming from brooklyn i feel ive had my share of crime lately as it is
h1mo
Do they mean forever or just now? It's the end of high season, lots of people are leaving right about now and come back in December or January.
Itโ€™s because of a multitude of factors, and if theyโ€™re South Africans who were living anywhere but Cape Town, yes, random violent crime is a massive issue.

The other factors include that it is extremely difficult as a white male in particular to land and stick to a job due to the Black Economic Empowerment laws as well as the fact every level of Government is corrupt, and the country is almost a failed state at this point. I can go on and on, but all it takes is one conversation about politics with a South African to realise how fked it is.

Donโ€™t get me wrong, still one of the most beautiful countries in the world, but it has a lot of problems, way more than your average country.
h1mo
I've been to Cape Town 4 times and have had conversations with many locals. This is not a common theme there. But I realize Cape Town is a bit of an oasis in an otherwise troubled country.
Ah very interesting. I'm not sure if they were in Cape town or not. I have a hunch the problems creep up on you over time. Curious if that's the issue with CT.

Obviously it would be idiotic to move after one visit, but based on first impressions (and that I've been investigating new places to move to for a while), it seemed like an appealing option. But that's a long haul move from the US and the last thing I need is another corrupt government. Although the racial divide didn't seem any worse than Brooklyn, which has gotten really bad.

I guess the big question is - would it be smart to cross CT off my "potential new home" list?
Thanks for the input guys
h1mo
Personally, I think CT is wonderful. Great people overall, good beaches, good food scene, hiking, wineries, easy road trips, the weekend farmers markets are :fire:, pleasant weather (most of the time). You just have to be careful. Take a lot of Ubers (they're inexpensive). But there is always the chance of getting robbed, no matter how many precautions you take. But that can happen in Brooklyn too. ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
Oh totally haha. I've heard "fucking white boy" then been chased around the block. Every day is a new adventure there the past couple years.

I was absolutely shocked at how nice people in CT were. Seemed genuinely happy to be alive. I'm used to everyone complaining about work or money or something else :sweat_smile:

The hostel I was at suggested an Uber even to go around the corner for pizza. I didn't listen and got hassled by some guy. I happen to know some ASL so used that to confuse him until he gave up lol
But I got the point real quick
h1mo
Holy shit. Where in Brooklyn? I'm a new York native, that's crazy to me. I mean, sure, I got into a few fights, but they weren't generally racially motivated...
Bushwick, but my friend in Williamsburg is even seeing the same. People in CT asked what it's like there, told them it's changed so much in 2 years, not for the better. As soon as my trip is over in a month, I'm out. It sucks but feels like 80s ny is coming back almost
h1mo
I guess Bushwick is still Bushwick... It was never the safest of areas. For a while, though, they were trying to call it "East Williamsburg" to get more people to move in and pay higher rents. I guess that hasn't worked out.

I'm surprised about Williamsburg though. I thought that had been thoroughly gentrified.

Is it pandemic related? Inflation?

Either way, I'll just keep traveling. Despite what most Americans seem to think, the rest of the world has been pretty safe! ๐Ÿคž
I'd keep Cape Town in the "stay here for a month or two a year for a second summer" group than one to set up camp in. All the beauties and positives are true, but the negatives don't outweigh it to live in long-term. Similar to other tourist destinations like Greece. After one trip to London and seeing so many things _just work_ compared to SA, I'm convinced my time here is over. I've been here for ~16 years in total.
On a more logistical level, even ignoring the criminal and corruption factors, ZA likes to make it hard to leave/do business elsewhere with. Forex controls are a bit strict, e.g. by law as a ZA resident, you have to redomicile foreign currency to South Africa within 30 days of receipt. If you've got a business doing online transactions, good luck billing in dollars, only one available payment provider is _going to_ (i.e. doesn't yet) offer that, so you'll have to do magical forex calculations if you don't want some weird ZAR charges on people's cards. Stripe doesn't operate here at all.

SARS (tax authority) has vague tax residency rules that, while intended to catch those evading _all_ tax residencies (i.e. staying places for only 3-4 months), can be (and I've heard via the grapevine have been) used to force you to maintain ZA tax residency even once you leave if you have any inkling of assets leftover here.
Like with everything it's an endless rabbit hole. Pick your poison, grass isn't always greener on either side, etc etc. But those who are fed up have been putting up with a declining country for 2-3 decades now. I don't want to clog the thread but will say I haven't even gone into loadshedding or what life is like outside of the Western Cape specifically.
๐Ÿ›ฌ atcrtmtpzvzngkq just arrived in ๐ŸŒŠ Cape Town, #south-africa
How many are in Cape Town right now, should we do a meet up?
I'm keen, so long as someone else organises lol
ipsnvlvcfgrxkj wow thanks man! i appreciate all the detail. i admit i kinda have a new situation in another stay on my hands and missed this. i suck at slack - i rarely use it :sweat_smile:

i apologize for being brief after all your effort/advice, but ill add that i do have a relatively stable small company with a business partner in the US, and would likely keep my tax residency there
You'd be fine as the biz is abroad, and I can't speak as to how seriously they enforce the redomiciliation regulation for those with multiple residencies. Just something to be aware of
๐Ÿ›ฌ itowzyvsg just arrived in ๐ŸŒŠ Cape Town, #south-africa
Would anyone have any recommendations of great coliving spaces in South Africa? ๐Ÿ‡ฟ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ˜„ ๐Ÿ™
Heard MoTown and Moy are pretty good but mostly travellers
for those are keen for a meet up how about this upcoming weekend 13/14?
I can organize, how about this weekend
Next Saturday is probs out for me but any other day open ๐Ÿ‘
I'd like to join but this weekend I'm going for a tour in Lesotho and get back on Monday. In case you can wait for the next one ๐Ÿ˜…
The same for me
anyone have suggestions for surfing in muizenburg? seems like some great surf in the winter
๐Ÿ›ฌ rmzifwmf just arrived in ๐ŸŒŠ Cape Town, #south-africa
Hey there! I'm thinking about spending some time in CT this year. I've never been there and am wondering - what are the ways to travel inside Cape Town city? What's the most common way? Is there working public transport? Do you rent a scooter (like everywhere in Asia for example) or a car is the best option? If so, what are the costs of renting? Thanks in advance! ๐Ÿค™
Uber, rent a car, or tourist-oriented transport like the red busses that go around the peninsula.

The only acceptable public transport for most would be MyCiti, which specifically operates in the city centre and to some industrial/low income areas.

Renting costs you can find by having a look at the usual rental suspects like Hertz, then local ones like www.rentacheapie.co.za/.br />
CPT is not dense enough for scooters and in fact if I recall correctly they aren't actually capable to go on the highway safely (which you need to do to go anywhere interesting).
h3d
I've spent about 6 months in CT over the past few years, I've never rented a car. Uber works around most of the region within an hour or two of CT, and I don't have to worry about drinking. Inside the city, most Uber rides cost a between 1 and 3 USD.
๐Ÿ›ฌ ooruzwnwegmusl just arrived in Western Cape, #south-africa
๐Ÿ›ฌ reonqgjsh just arrived in Jeffrey's Bay, #south-africa
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