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gonna have to merge this chat into russia
^ not funny at all
My company is trying to figure out what the implications would be for key contractors in Ukraine to receive stock options, given that our company has no official presence there. Does anyone know of any UA accountants that might have some experience in this area?
Maybe try Deloitte or PWC in Ukraine
stay safe folks
I hope anyone still there can get out safely
Thinking of my friends in Kyiv and the rest of Ukraine :flag-ua:. War isn't the answer, one planet ๐ŸŒŽ #palebluedot
Hoping for the best to everyone in Ukraine, but things are not looking good so farโ€ฆ have been chatting with the people I know there and some people were hiding in the metro system fearing some air raids in Kyiv, some others canโ€™t reunite with their family because the trip would be too dangerous, and many trying to leave but now is almost impossible with airports bombed and roads packed.
Worried about whatโ€™s coming next.
Anyone could help here:

1. Official National Bank account :


2. but another way is
Link To Pay pay.fondy.eu/api/checkout?button=59da139c540533216e39fef311708bedbr />Main Website savelife.in.ua/en/donate/br />
3. there is also Patreon www.patreon.com/savelife_in_ua (raised up 300k $ during 2-3 last days) but Patreon is the third option (as money will be charged at first of next month)
The link doesn't work for me
hmm weird, there is another non-state but real fund link in a few mins, thanks ๐Ÿ™
jdqgcwcielsnmimc just updated the post, thank you!
Wishing everyone in Ukraine safety. I'm so sorry.

I can't post a link but there's a big list of charities people can contribute to on the Ukraine subreddit, it's pinned at the top. Please contribute if you're able to.
The Patreon account has been removed, probably because of some policy against military support. However here is a link to their main page savelife.in.ua/en/donate/
yeah that is true, they are working on that but it might be not get back. people are switching just to direct payments.

petreon acc was about $450k before being removed. it was less than $100k 2 days ago.

Bad thing it was configured to charge people on 1st of each month so they did not get $400k, people were not charged.

Most of people just going to perform direct payments.
My thoughts are with the Ukrainian people and friends who are still there. I hope everyone stays safe and makes it out of this โค๏ธ
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Hey everyone. My friends in Ukraine told me that we have to spread the word right now as much as possible on whatโ€™s happening so Iโ€™m trying to do this as I can writing in all my socials. I am very sorry if itโ€™s inappropriate for our chat. I just canโ€™t be silent right now. And stay safe everyone :heart:

I appreciate if you can share any of that:
โ€ข twitter.com/guar47/status/1497124370581446661br />โ€ข www.instagram.com/p/CaZM7LprJxe/br />โ€ข www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6902890694311075840/br />I also started collecting the links on how to help Ukraine right now. Appreciate if you have more links to share so I can add them:ย 
The Russia chat is completely silent
Wow, thatโ€™s stressful, canโ€™t imagine being in that situation. I have no experience with Ukraine, but I think the best course of action is to find your countryโ€™s embassy and ask for their help.
If you're a Ukraine national and a man over 18 Iโ€™m afraid you're not allowed to leave at the moment
You should update your Nomad List profile then
The lines at polish border are huge. If you go that route be prepared to wait a long time. Have water and food with you in ample supply.
You are about ~80km away from the polish border, are there any trains or buses leaving from the Lviv station towards Poland? You can try get as close as you can to the border by vehicle and continue by foot if all else fails. There are ukrainian checkpoints set up along the way so it's not completely unguarded.
I think these are the most rational suggestions..
We have relatives in Ukraine. And one of the dudes just bicycled from Kiev to the village ~ 40km away ... several times! I know it's rough to bike 80km, but if you are willing, then that's an option as well.
Another relative is also close to the Lviv border, and is also trying to leave the country, but is also running into a lot of logistical issues. It's been 2 days and they are still unable to leave.
There are people in that group organizing exit plans
You want expat groups, not nomad groups, expats are better connected and more numerous in Ukraine
Look for WhatsApp groups, they're usually linked to from Facebook groups and are more active with faster responses
Go to western hotel chains, you can find other foreigners in the lobby and they often have exit plans
If you've never been a refugee before, you might not expect it, but loose social ties are incredibly important. They are often what gets you that last seat on the bus out instead of someone else. So it's important to be as polite, friendly, and useful as possible to others, even when they are not helpful and you're very stressed out. Smiles can get you farther than money sometimes.
What sort of help do you need?
Is any member of the community currently in the country?
yep, I am
Still in Ukraine!!?! This is intriguing. ddqmsweqv are you there for family, work, leisure? What region are you in?
I am pretty sure he's a citizen of Ukraine. And since he appears to be male, then he probably cannot legally leave. There is a ban on all males leaving 18-60yo.
Yep, I'm a citizen and I'm not planning to leave the country. Though I have moved with my family from Kyiv to western Ukraine
odtquuyht How are you holding up? How's the current situation? Are you safe?
Yep, western ukraine is quiet. Kyiv, Kharkiv, Sumy, Chernihiv etc. are real war zone. I have an extended family in Kyiv
There is really horrible things happening, russists just fire with rockets into civil building. That is everything they can do and they do it ๐Ÿคฌ
Does anyone know any way my wife can volunteer remotely?

What she has:

โ€ข A good computer, phone
โ€ข A good internet connection
โ€ข Speaks Ukrainian, Russian, English, some French, and a bit of Serbian
โ€ข Free time, especially during UA night time _(because we are in Vietnam)_, which I think can be extra beneficial, as it's probably difficult to staff at night.
Any ideas like coordination, call centre, anything...
thanks for asking

Many people help to make ddos attacks russian, trying to give some info to russians which do not bealive even their sister or their child :face_with_head_bandage:. Night is not ok for ddos (many attackers have a sleep, russians also, so not big effect). There are many local help centers, so I even have no other ideas.

For now, she can try to only share info what is going on with any people who is not aware or with russians if she knows some.
Ok, I don't think DDoS is a productive time spent.

But we were thinking something along the lines of call centre, translation help for people crossing the borders, planning, coordinating.
please DM me, I can send you some info
Could you guys add me to the conversation too ?
If you are into games, there is a bundle with literally more than 1K games for $10 and all proceedings are forwarded to Ukraine.

I just got a moderation warning and a link removed for a site I shared ( news about the country of this channel )

Was it flagged only because I created it ( even when it's not meant to make any revenue ?)
๐Ÿ›ฌ vthhyayu just arrived in ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Kyiv, #ukraine
Previously news links would only be allowed for trustworthy news outlets, otherwise the censor bot removes the message
That makes sense
Thank for pointing me to the post.
There is a link towards a gofund me, but itโ€™s not mine, but an independent and legitimate newspaper, the kyiv independent.

I guess I agree itโ€™s better to not allow anyone but direct highly well know sources. Hope that first โ€˜warningโ€™ doesnโ€™t affect me in the future

)
grum2mo
All good, warnings don't automatically turn into suspensions or anything. I try to be reasonable and deal with repeat offenders on a case by case as in most cases, most people aren't trying to do anything shifty :)
Hey all, not sure if this against the rules but I'll err on the side of helping. A friendโ€™s brother lives in Kyiv and runs an advertising agency there. They're doing their best to operate & pay all their staff through everything, so are looking to take on any creative design work they can. I took a look and their work seems high quality, plus I'd love to see them make it through this, so if you have anything that needs doing, feel free to PM and I'll share their info. Many thanks ๐Ÿ™
My guess it would normally be against rules. But Iโ€™ve waived certain rules in other communities in similar situations.
Hopefully community managers here can be a bit flexible for the time being too.
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I need to develop an iOS news app for one of our newspapers using wordpress as backend.
If your brother knows someone or can take care of it I would be happy to reach out.
Hi guys
do you know if there are any cryptocurrency exchanges in Ukraine? I am particularly interested in Odessa, I want so send my family some dollars/euro and ensure they are able to get those in cash
umnslfnpogw I actually do have someone from there that might be a good fit for that. Is there a good email or contact they can reach you at?
hey, I don't know about cryptoexchanges, sorry.
But National Bank of Ukraine claims that you can take usd$ out of your bank account up to 30k so regular SWIFT transfer into bank account might work (for example, open Privat bank USD account and confirm with bank you'll be able to take money out in USD$)
I'm gonna ask my brother about crypto, he might be able to provide more info
A friend of mine got his card (revolut) blocked in Ukraine because the bank doesn't operate in countries who are facing war times. So it's impossible to him to get some euros.

Check if the bank account u will open still operating in Ukraine.

Best wishes raised_handsskin-tone-3
my brother told me you would need to find person with usd$ who needs crypto in Ukraine to exchange directly. might be difficult. I'd suggest to go local bank + swift route
enzo2mo
bkobedvhyqvu I have friends in Ukraine currently using Revolut without issues.

Last year I visited some smaller cities closer to the contact line, and there my Revolut was blocked, and the support representative had told me that they simply wouldnโ€™t unlock it so itโ€™d work there. In other cities I had no issues.

Maybe your friend is somewhere where theyโ€™re not working, but if he moves to another city, the card could work.
dnyhhd he was in Kiev
enzo2mo
Thatโ€™s messed up. I know my friends in Kharkiv and Kremenchuk are using Revolut and it hasnโ€™t been blocked there.
cjljpifwzotw coz #KyivNotKiev ;) To be serious it is weird.

<@URS01DJR1> Moreover, Revolut is trying to help ukrainians somehow and has allowed to open accounts for ukrainians in EU (it was not allowed before for ukrainians at all, afaik). Sorry cant share the link due to Slack limitations but there is a post in Revolut official blog
btw, today new law on cryptocurrencies has been accepted. I didn't read closely yet but seems like banks would be able to hold crypto in accounts directly
Canada published details for Canada-Ukraine authorization for emergency travel (CUAET)
Itโ€™s a pretty good visa and can give Ukrainians not only entrance but work permit.

In case it's still relevant - you can withdraw from `binance`
โ€ข USD with SWIFT, fee $15-20, ~4 business days
โ€ข UAH with visa/MC transfer, free, very fast
I live in Canada, if I can help, I will. Just ask.
Slava Ukraine!
Slava Ukraine! ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ’ช
Hi folks :wave:

Was wondering how it's the situation at the Polish & Ukrainian border right now? Are they accepting tourist? What's the approximate waiting time? Furthermore, how it's the situation in Kyiv? I kept with the news on daily basic & read on Reddit/Telegram, but I wonder if somebody can give me another perspective.
libyllyfslkfayzw Are we talking about entering or leaving Ukraine?

As far as I know there is no problem with border, you can leave Ukraine if youโ€™re not man in 18-60. And you can enter Ukraine easily, however not sure about tourists.

Kyiv is okaish according to friends and relatives (Iโ€™m from Kyiv). There are still lots of soldiers and checkpoints, but more and more people return back. Cafes & businesses started working again. Huge problem now is lack of fuel, and also air alarms are annoying.
Last rocket strike that hit civilians was about a week ago.

If youโ€™re thinking about traveling to Kyiv, I wouldnโ€™t recommend it.
> Was wondering how it's the situation at the Polish & Ukrainian border right now? Are they accepting tourist? What's the approximate waiting time?
yes, you can enter and go. if you're not Ukrainian citizen you'll be able to leave (18-60 rule applies only to Ukrainian citizens). I don't know what are the lines but if you take a train across the border I don't think there would be any wait time
> Furthermore, how it's the situation in Kyiv?
it's fine here, Spring time. there are fuel shortages but if you don't have a car that is unlikely to affect you. also, there's a danger of air strikes all across Ukraine, chances that you would be hit are small but not 0 as russia is using outdated less precise soviet time rockets and last couple of times they were striking some random targets ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ if you'd go to bomb shelter each time you hear air alert I'd say chances of dying in Lviv / Kyiv are 0 but as alerts often sound multiple times a day and at often at night not many people are going to bomb shelter each time
Thanks for your reply itogpjmhlky Yes, I meant to enter Ukraine. I was there last August & I'll probably go back in the coming months. I'm trying to gather all information possible to remain as safe as I can be.

I got some other questions, if you don't mind:

โ€ข Is Airbnb my best option for accommodations? Do many homes in Ukraine have shelters or mostly Ukrainians are using shelter locations through out the city?
โ€ข I got a bare minimum of spoken Russian which allowed me to communicate a bit last time. I am planning to study a bit more to be more prepared. My question is, should I learn Ukrainian instead or Russian would do?
โ€ข What's the best way to move around? Last time I used the subway & regular buses. I guess I can use Uber if it's operational or rent a electric vehicle?
โ€ข Finally, what kind of items should I bring into the country that it's needed there? Medicines? Or better to not bring anything & support local business instead?
Thanks for your detailed answer hnpssgrxt ๐Ÿ™ I'll post nomadlist.slack.com/archives/C031AUV10/p1652372135277169?thread_ts=1652333587.362229&cid=C031AUV10|my reply above> which it's pertinent. Let me know if you got any insights about my questions.
Just wanted to add my 5 cents:
1. It depends on duration of your stay, but Airbnb should be fine. You can check with the host if they have proper shelter in the building, how far is metro station/underground parking (to hide there)
2. Even those people who usually spoke Russian are switching to Ukrainian now (not all, but many). You are foreigner, so no one would say anything if you speak Russian. But if you will start learning Ukrainian - that will definitely be appreciated more by people around
3. Buses, metro and Uber are working fine.
4. If you are planning to go to Kyiv - you will find anything (correct me someone if I am wrong)
I'm curious are you a dark tourist? Why choose Kyiv during a state of emergency with missile strikes?
western ukraine is quite booked right now with internally displaced folks, it's easy to find places in Kyiv; you can use airbnbs but you probably should expect to pay more than usual. alternative is to hire a real estate agent, they could find you options but they'll charge commission. anyway, this way you can get good flats in Ivano-Frankivsk - Lviv for 500-1000$ a month + 250-300$ commission for real estate agent + 500-1000$ for the last month of your rent + whatever utilities are (~100$ a month). if you do only single month than payment for the last month would be held as a guarantee. might still be cheaper than airbnb although a bit more hassle. on other points I agree with Tetiana
> Finally, what kind of items should I bring into the country that it's needed there? Medicines? Or better to not bring anything & support local business instead?
supporting local businesses is always appreciated. what is needed and you could bring along could be found here ua-aid-centers.com/lists mostly military / tactical gear + military meds like hemostatics, wound care etc.
please let me know if any questions ๐Ÿ™‚
Not at all man. I got some personal business that will require my presence there for a few months. That's all.
frugjwxkgfjqkf thanks for your insightful reply.

> You can check with the host if they have proper shelter in the building, how far is metro
That's good to know. I was worried that I need to move to a centralized, specific locations spread throughout the city. I'll make sure to get all details with the host.

> But if you will start learning Ukrainian - that will definitely be appreciated more by people around
That's what I thought. I'll try to start learning Ukrainian then. At least, for the most basic, daily conversations.
fshehdrkz thank you so much for all your detail answers ๐Ÿ™‚ I really appreciate it!

> Ivano-Frankivsk - Lviv for 500-1000$ a month + 250-300$ commission for real estate agent + 500-1000$ for the last month of your rent + whatever utilities are (~100$ a month).
That's a really good deal, I didn't think about a real state agent. Will need to compare with Airbnb and as you mentioned calculated the hassle as well.

> supporting local businesses is always appreciated. what is needed and you could bring along could be found here.. mostly military / tactical gear + military meds like hemostatic, wound care etc.
Yes, I want to give back to the community during my stay! Will check the website, I need to check with military items won't get me in trouble transporting with me while being Poland.

I'm planning to get there in coming months so maybe we'll be lucky & Ukraine can kick the invaders out & reach peace.

Out of curiosity tosqtdjlx pyvtojjnhspkpv you guys currently in Ukraine? ๐Ÿค” We might meet in person one day ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ :muscle:

EDIT Just checked channel history & realized you're in Western Ukraine Borowis ๐Ÿ’ช ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’›
wtqvfbdxgsyxildr I am in Kyiv now, hard to say how long I will stay here, because it's really hard to plan life atm ๐Ÿ˜„ Ping me when you will be here - maybe we can meet ๐Ÿ™Œ
I'm also in Kyiv ๐Ÿ™Œ
gosbhvjtyot I think you mean war tourist. Dark tourism is for historical sites associated with death like Ground Zero or Auschwitz and is not considered harmful.
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