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nmtljcahca3mo
Not sure how financially viable that makes challenger banks if everyone does that though
qsvntpfzw3mo
Other than couple of times per year they have problems accepting payments (sometimes those times are even informed before telling you to have alternative choice for payment) didn't have any problems with their reliability
vrsp3mo
This has turned into a #_money talk all of a sudden ๐Ÿ˜ฌ Anyways. I think having/using Mono when in Ukraine is quite convenient as they don't rip you off on the exchange rate (Revolute has a crazy one of Hryvnia) also Privat account is good if you plan to use public services for QR payments. But if you are coming with a standard foreign card and don't want the hassle, the best way I think is just getting the money from the ATM or doing a cash advance in the Bank usually around 1% fee.
ohtq3mo
Have a friend working at Revolute, she said Ukraine is nowhere on their roadmap to be properly supported
hzza3mo
Anybody plan to spend the summer in Lviv / Kyiv this year?
bwgshxizmenwnky3mo
Iโ€™ll probably be in Lviv late May through June. Lviv has become one of my favorite cities (and by far my fav in Ukraine)
sklemkox3mo
I'm in and out of the country year round
ukyzxkux3mo
i'm in Kyiv
qcnwtbyl3mo
Lviv is fun yeah
sycjduai3mo
new cool place in lviv 5th Dungeon
wnfe3mo
Totally confirming the 5th Dungeon! The pickle "fishing" is a lot of fun ๐Ÿ˜‚
rjvqgiyi2mo
have been to blur coffee today. turns out to be a good place to work
vvkmgljktj2mo
If anyone would like some help/company in Lviv โ€” feel free to ping me.
Iโ€™m local ๐Ÿ™‚
amqzacbf2mo
I've got ripped off at the subway station today. I was waiting for a queue to buy a subway coin. After I've got one, a police officer came to approach me. He asked me to show my passport. I gave it to him and he started accusing me of not having Ukrainian stamp. I've pointed out Ukrainian stamp on my passport but he insisted on saying Niet (no) and took me to the police station beside the subway station. he imprisoned me in a small room segregated from others. He started taking my passport pics and asking some questions. I told him I don't speak any Russian. Unfortunately, I've left my phone at home today so I didn't have any ways to ask for help. After roughly 30 mins later (he investigated my backpack, pockets, and all the documents I had), he started smiling me. I realized what he wants. I've paid him 200 UAH. He winked me, deleted all the pictures, and offered a handshake. I was so pissed but couldn't do anything. It happened to me at Obolon station. Be careful if any of you guys new in Kyiv ...
qkxihuhecs2mo
ok, good to know!
pejcljqqeq2mo
is there a way for nomads to get a room in an apartment or a month or two? Like a flatshare, not airbnb so more sociable (and yeah, cheaper)
yzsojfrqvccivhp2mo
That totally sucks
jsjphbwww2mo
Huh, sorry to hear that :(
blxainrvr2mo
Did you ask this guys name?
chwtdaitu2mo
hbpqbuuro So it was a real police office from your `took me to the police station beside the subway station` statement?
yzvecvwspiv2mo
itโ€™s crazy he only wanted 7 euros
gioubvpqh2mo
Well it's a bad situation so whatever it is can't change much.
Personally would have started with first them having to show the ID that they are real police office, that should take care of the most scammers (if they show one could try to take it into your hands, I don't think real officers are allowed to let them off their hands), after that tell we go to police station for anything, after that just tell to call immigration office (because you can't really get into a country without a stamp). What stumbles me is that they took you to police station (so was it fake or what). In the end a lot of that bribe I think goes to the point of wasting enough of your time that you find it's cheaper to just pay a bribe (they are government employees, those usually spend 90% of their time wasting) so it was a game of who will give up first (because assuming you haven't done anything wrong they would not have a reason to keep you past some point). In the end just a bad situation, and would say you got off well because 200 UAH is not that much to get stuck for the bribe.
omkkdxcd2mo
jplemyeygw not sure if it was a real police station. there was a door right next to the subway counter (where I've got a subway coin). Over the door, there was a corridor. It seemed like there are a few rooms over there. He took me to one of those and I've got locked there
ugeqakhg2mo
He actually seemed like a real police officer cos he had a key. also, subway administrator, I mean a lady standing for the security stuff probably knew he took me there and she wasn't saying nothing to him or they were a team
oifdizokl2mo
Maybe ask some locals about it, or if you know the language call the police and ask about that place and if you just got scammed ๐Ÿ˜„ Wouldn't be surprised if it was actually a fake police station and administrator also being on the scam ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ
mttzlyybh2mo
There are duty policemen in the subway and they have own room. So I think it was real police. Iโ€™ve shared between my friends a story and tagged Kyiv police, they usually respond, letโ€™s see what happen. lkgpbnzyqm is right, they are playing and using the fact that youโ€™re newbie in the country. So you should always ask their documents and tell them to call the immigration office.
gpogmtkp2mo
He took advantage of me not speaking neither Russian or Ukranian. He ignored all my English. I should've asked documents and immigration stuff before he locked me in that room ... I passed through the same subway gate yesterday but both subway administrator lady and policeman weren't the same guys
quaydojg2mo
yeah, that's true. if you write a facebook post I can tag some people and national police but it's informal - still this guy might get a warning from his seniors
yakzedkc2mo
it requires much more time to launch a formal investigation, I haven't done that but it's possible to launch an inquiry and that person might be fired or fined.
uyzbengq2mo
and I'm so sorry it happened to you
ughecpnvznk2mo
jfyrpilwk it's real shame this happened to you.
However, being born and raised here, I am not surprised by this accident at all, as authorities are notoriously corrupt in Ukraine :disappointed:

For the future, I could give you phone number of my friend, who is a lawyer in Kiev, so in case of similar situation, you can just call him and let him do speak with police or other authority figures on your behalf.
ypqbziul2mo
thanks, guys. well, if anyone is in town, let's hang out. will be here until the end of April
mtpaapovql2mo
Hey Pete, sorry for a slow reply, havenโ€™t seen the notification.
I think your best bet would be couchsurfing then.

There are also some local FB groups where folks are looking for roommates, but those are usually for long-term rent.
uzgykkbddof2mo
This is obviously a terrible situation and sorry this happened. But can we point out the fact that this happened and you got out of it with only 200 UAH?! Like he did all that for only 200 (thatโ€™s like $8 or 7 euros)?!
whijboqz2mo
nchnr2mo
lbvxyzpfh Welcome! I arrived in Odessa on Saturday.
sfmcltdm2mo
Thanks! How did you find the city? I arrived late at night yesterday and hadnโ€™t explore anything yet
bnund2mo
So far, I like Odessa! Iโ€™ve had a seriously busy week so not much sightseeing yet. Before Odessa I was in Greece (Crete) and decided that Odessa would be a good intern,educate stop before heading to Turkey.
akprktxan27d
Hey all. Iโ€™m arriving in Kyiv tomorrow. After traveling for a week I plan to park in Kyiv for 2 months (maybe longer). Iโ€™ve visited many times, so I know my way around the city. My Russian is meh, but not zero. I do know locals there that can help me with things. What is your experience with renting apartments? Do you use airbnb or figure out how to actually rent a place? Is it possible to get a reasonable month to month kinda deal?
vecmnuxmxw26d
Iโ€™ve only AirBnBโ€™d short term
bnbwiobne24d
Yeah for now Iโ€™ll be doing airbnb/booking, not too pricey with soon to be falling demand.
uaprdsuvw24d
I'm probably the last arrival
nebfxlcx24d
yeah, given latest news travel becomes really impossible
zlsyumdr24d
on the 17th Ukraine is closing passenger air traffic
ymnzdnkp24d
looks like railway is still open though
fizyddlpi23d
I guess good thing I decided to wait until booking my flight and airbnb
qmtxlijyjp23d
Railway only open inbound to citizens I believe
zzznpych22d
yeah, international railway to/from Ukraine is closing tomorrow everywhere as well as international buses
vhbdltei22d
there's a list of designated points to enter/leave using "personal transport"
xqvacepw22d
I guess a car/taxi through the border will be the only way to leave/enter in the next two weeks (I hope it's two and not more)
ypeoeaqa22d
internal transportation works at the moment
mowlcrahb22d
AFIK borders are closed to all non-citizens at this point.
qbhiiggvqj21d
Yes,
So if someone who right now in Ukraine needs help - write here or DM
vlyeemqcv18d
I heard rumors of restricting travel between Oblasts? Can anyone confirm? I had no issue going from Dragobrat (Zarkopatta) to Bukovel (Ivano-Frankivsk) in a taxi. Next week I plan to return to Kyiv to hunker down. AFIK Bla Bla car is the best option.
bgcxcbod18d
private cars are not checked, buses and trains got cancelled
egzgapgp18d
I'd say bla bla car is pretty much the only choice
yhkbwvehsuw18d
it seems Kiyv is officially entering into emergency state today
xjinsuuelf18d
In what sense?
wnjopqnrclc18d
Like, literal State of Emergency
nbrarwjyj15d
anyone here riding this out in ukraine?
logbqqkoz15d
i was planning on staying here, but they've been opening some flights out this week and now I'm torn
xrozfbnq15d
I'm at home in Kyiv right now, given the circumstances gonna stay put for some time
jqdphxndx15d
any recommendations for a visible foreigner that doesn't speak russian ๐Ÿ™‚
tuvnqvszg15d
I can fly out on weds but would have to go through JFK and 20h travel to do so, not excited about that
twgqkcjr15d
heh, gosh it's hard and really depends on case by case basis
gkckzllt15d
on one hand medicine in Ukraine is not great, on the other hand I'm not too excited about us clinics either and it's just incredibly expensive
yphdlowa15d
ah, so you're from canada ๐Ÿ™‚ don't know about canadian health care much
tapgsgxp15d
uia used to have direct flights to toronto but I'm pretty sure it's suspended right now
popfujpoi15d
yeah my embassy is trying to put together a flight to toronto
bjajcczgw15d
canadian health care is okay
but free
so easy access
but ridiculously over capacity
yytdirslv15d
i guess i'm more worried about personal safety if people aren't allowed to work for a month or two
ytirslpqc15d
i've been in some countries where I would have noped out of there day 1 of any lockdown announcement, but I don't understand the situation here well enough ๐Ÿ˜ž
tawrjrwq15d
should be fine, police is very active right now and it was fine even during revolutions of 2008 and 2014
eyjeuidk15d
stay safe!
vkvflcoye15d
that is good to know ๐Ÿ™‚ Thank you ๐Ÿ™
dmyjceupegtzhlk13d
It seems like healthcare in every country is going to be completely overwhelmed for a matter of months no matter where you are in the world, which means if you have to go to the hospital for any reason youโ€™ll probably be screwed, whether that be Canada or Ukraine -- so I wouldnโ€™t factor that in your decision.
lkuqewnxm13d
I did make it no problem from Bukovel to Kyiv yesterday by bla bla car. It was super beautiful but eerie there in quarentine but still working Ski resort. Iโ€™m waiting it out here in Kyiv. If need be, I have a ticket back to Estonia (ghost-residency) and USA (Iโ€™d never go back in this kind of crisis). This was my intended destination, I know many people here from startups and conferences, so Iโ€™m happy even under lockdown.

But yeah, Iโ€™d suggest to go somewhere comfortable because itโ€™s probably gonna be a long rideโ€ฆ
hxtcyiub13d
I didn't know Bukovel wasn't closed, super weird ๐Ÿ˜ฌ
jmwmduas13d
Do y'all think quarantine will be extended? supposed to finish the 3rd of April but seems like things getting worse.
eyisieib13d
yeah, I think it will. number of cases is only going to increase
hiusombw13d
if they were so harsh from the start I do not see any reason to relax restrictions when things get worse
jheyeqlz13d
however I hope ability to move inside the country on personal transport will not be cut
qdxexuqs12d
extension confirmed
uudurezz12d
heh, yeah
jpzypmaru9d
yeah the infection rate spiked from all the returning flights after they closed the borders
cioavcfmg9d
they didn't quarantine returners it sounds like ๐Ÿ˜…
asjbltvi9d
yeah, things are often very disorganized in Ukraine
inpithvl9d
first flights folks were supposed to self-quarantine but no one told them officially
xobdixpr9d
now they make all returning people to sign a form
ubjrpwnz9d
but there were some cases when they were providing invalid data or disappearing facepalm
eoewcnqb9d
I think we're bound to get stricter orders, like not leaving the house outside of predefined list of reasons, that was already mandated in Sumy region yesterday, I expect other regions will adopt this practice as well (also, Sumy region doesn't allow folks who do not have registration / property in Sumy in)
ifeanhfikyo9d
yes, seems like this
qifequfjv8d
that's a good point
I'm gonna move to a more comfortable accommodation before that happens -_-
gmytnkask7d
On a positive note, month long airbnb prices were rock bottom a week ago. I took one for a month in Kyiv and surviving off of weekly trips to Auchan. ๐Ÿ™‚
ntatueea6d
yeah, my Airbnb host offered me a half-price discount for April too ๐Ÿ™‚
dpbhgzey6d
in case it might be useful to anyone in Kyiv glovo ubereats raketa() are doing deliveries from restaurants but many has built their own apps, it's possible to do it without human contact as well; groceries are delivered by zakaz.ua|zakaz.ua (almost always booked at the moment, works with auchan, metro, etc.) vova.ua|vova.ua produktoff.com/ also rozetka rozetka.com.ua/alkoholnie-napitki-i-produkty/c4626923/ (but assortment there is rather limited)
ibembggxi6d
Thanks, I didnโ€™t know about Raketa.
blpyzltd6d
yeah, the problem with uber eats and glovo is high commission, so many quite good restaurants have actually there own separate delivery services, like one example is borysov.com.ua/uk/delivery
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