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Do you think there are different "tiers" of nomads? What kind of nomad are you?

 

by @marcob6yr  | 26 comments

I feel I have come across different types or tiers of nomads, eg: you have your backpacker nomad and then maybe a more successful nomad that is travelling without worrying so much about budget, the two seem to resonate more within their own groups. What different tiers do you think exist, if any? How do you differentiate the different groups, and do they play well together?

Iโ€™m curious to hear your opinions, and please describe what kind of โ€œnomadโ€ you are when responding. Thanks.

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I think there are definitely different stages of digital nomads. We start as backpackers that want to travel long term. After a while for many of us that gets a little old and we become complacent with that lifestyle. I for one found a city that makes me not want to leaveโ€ฆBarcelona. Being there fits all my needs as a digital nomad/online entrepreneur. George Millo wrote up an excellent post on this just recently. Check it outโ€ฆ

http://georgemillo.com/travel-bug/

@marcob I know a handful of nomad families, they are definitely on the rise!

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@harris6yr

Nice. Barcelona is our next destination. Iโ€™m getting the visa, schooling, etc together โ€“ maybe we wonโ€™t want to leave either. :slight_smile:

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@harris6yr

Thereโ€™s also a growing number of nomadic families now. Some road-school, others find a good international school and establish a base to travel out of, and some even go with a public school. Not sure thereโ€™s enough of us yet to establish our own โ€˜groupโ€™โ€ฆ but certainly a different set of needs and wants.

I run into varying degrees of income levels amongst fellow family nomads, as well.

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@marcob6yr

@harrisfellman very interesting, havenโ€™t given much thought to nomad families. Is it difficult being a nomad with a family? How well does the family adapt? I know I moved every 4 years with my family, it was challenging but rewarding.

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@harris6yr

This was our first โ€˜moveโ€™. We tested a couple of month-long trips first. We thought of a few different ways of doing it - but ultimately settled on one-year minimum in Costa Rica. Weโ€™re going on our 3rd year here. Wouldโ€™ve left after two, but really love the community and kidโ€™s school weโ€™re a part of.

Anyway โ€“ I donโ€™t think I look at it as difficult or not - just a different set of challenges for this lifestyle choice. We hope itโ€™s making our children more โ€˜world citizensโ€™ rather than just Americans who travel.

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@kathrynoh6yr

I wouldnโ€™t say there are tiers but that people have different priorities. Some are happy to do the minimum work to support their beach lifestyle in SE Asia, other people want to live a cheaper lifestyle to finance a startup.

Personally, I like having the freedom to live where I want and not be tied down. Iโ€™m lucky that I make enough money that my destinations arenโ€™t determined by having a low cost of living.

I canโ€™t really say much about interaction between groups because Iโ€™m a bit of a loner but if you look at the motivations and priorities of people, I think just being a digital nomad isnโ€™t enough of a bond. If Iโ€™m working my guts out to establish myself then Iโ€™m not going to have much in common with someone who works a few hours a day then hangs out on the beach.

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@marcob6yr

@kathrynoh do you choose to travel alone? And I agree with your second point, that kind of encompasses the basis of what I was asking โ€” there are those that are driven by very clear goals and those that are still kind of โ€œexploringโ€ what they should do, which is totally fine. I just know from experience that when Iโ€™m around those that are determine, I feel an extra sense of determination myself, if Iโ€™m with those that are taking it a bit more โ€œeasyโ€ then I tend to do the sameโ€ฆ

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@kathrynoh6yr

Yes, I choose to travel alone. I am a total loner + introvert so rarely feel the need to be around other people. Plus, I make my living writing so being alone. Iโ€™d stay in an apartment over a hotel or hostel any day.

I donโ€™t think itโ€™s just clear goals vs exploring. Deciding to spend 2-3 hours a day working and the rest of the time on the beach, for example, is a pretty clear goal. Itโ€™s just not a work focussed one.

If you were going to look at tiers or groups, Iโ€™d say that the focus or motivation would be the prime difference. Leisure based goals, business goals, travel goals etc.

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@marcob6yr

@kathrynoh I think you are exactly right - โ€œfocus or motivation would be the prime differenceโ€. This definitely helps shed more light on the differences, and the intrinsic motivation behind their (travelers/nomads/remote workers) needs, goals and expectations.

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very well said Kathryn. Im at the working my guts out phase atm but at the same time if I was to take a job to facillitate being a nomad lately Iโ€™ve been thinking it would not be as a dev and more in the line of something like PM or support so that I wont be working my guts out. Roles like that are ones where essentially youโ€™re open to the world coming in to do the job vs shutting it out to get stuff done and whatโ€™s the point of being a nomad if youโ€™re doing that?

Btw where are you yourself at right now? startup grind or well paid travelling contractor lol

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yeah I think so. Someone whoโ€™s just gonna be renting and โ€œlivingโ€ in the places that theyโ€™re being a nomad in, seeing the sights etc is going to be different from someone else whoโ€™s staying in the best hotels, eating in all the best restaurants and generally living the dream. Money is going to be a problem in what you guys can do together. Easy fix for the moneybags, help out their friends if they really want the company!

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someone else whoโ€™s staying in the best hotels, eating in all the best restaurants and generally living the dream

Canโ€™t help but respond to this as โ€˜staying in the best hotelsโ€™ etc is so far from my own dream. Iโ€™m living my dream by

renting and โ€œlivingโ€ in the places that theyโ€™re being a nomad in

I guess that just goes to show how different we all are!

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agreed. ugh. hotels are so boring. all you meet are old people, business travelers, and families. and for me the best restaurants are usually holes in the wall where the owners donโ€™t speak english and all the locals go. Give me an apartment over a hotel and a kitchen or street food over the โ€˜best restaurantsโ€™ any day of the week.

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i dont want to live in hotels either. Iโ€™d prefer hostelling it or homebasing myself but just goes to show there are different groups and wants etc.

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@marcob6yr

@Munly_Leong yes, I completely agree. Hah, yes, the โ€œmoneybagsโ€ can always help out a friend, but then they can also become their crutch. I just know that you are a reciprocal, in many cases, of the 6 closest people you spend time with. So if we surround ourselves by driven, ambitious, humble and yet successful entrepreneurs - chances are youโ€™ll take after them.

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Iโ€™m a software developer. Southern Europe is usually pretty good. I anticipate Iโ€™ll be spending a lot of time in the Balkans going forward.

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@marcob6yr

@wanderingdev Where in SE, because I am looking to start a co-living/co-working retreat space in the south of Italy! Itโ€™s much more affordable than up north and has the best food and beautiful beaches, although spoken english is much more scarce.

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Iโ€™m generally in spain if iโ€™m somewhere long-term since I speak Spanish but I love Italy and want to explore the south more.

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@wanderingdev Are you worried about language issues that may come up when/if you start spending more time in the Balkans?

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no. iโ€™ve spent cumulative years in countries where I donโ€™t speak the language and itโ€™s not been an issue. I found an amazing number of people in the balkans spoke english.

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The problem with a term like โ€œtiersโ€ is that it implies that some are better than others when that is not true. It also implies that people canโ€™t be in multiple tiers or are only in a tier because of their finances. There was a thread yesterday on a FB group from a nomad looking for others who spend $20k USD/month or more. Most people thought he was nuts.

Personally, my travel varies. I am definitely a budget conscious person, but I live very comfortably on little money by getting creative. I occasionally stay in hostels, though it is usually for the social aspect, not the financial one, and theyโ€™re also generally top of the line. Sometimes I splash out on a nice hotel. Usually though I am house sitting or renting an apartment. I generally donโ€™t have to worry too much about my budget and I could spend more than I do without worrying about it, but I choose not to (aside from occasional treats) because I have bigger goals for the future. So, I think assuming that people make certain choices, like whether or not to stay in a hostel, solely based on finances would be making a pretty big leap.

My style of travel has also changed as I got older. When I was in my 20s I was much more interested in cost than comfort. Now that Iโ€™m in my 40s, Iโ€™ll pay the extra $5 a night to get a queen bed in a private cubby vs a twin bunk bed in an open room.

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@marcob6yr

@wanderingdev thanks for the input. If I may ask, what do you do? and of the places youโ€™ve visited which did you appreciate the most in terms of relax/comfort to price ration?

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โ€˜Tiersโ€™ sounds a bit hierarchical (to me, anyway), and Iโ€™m not very comfortable with that, but leaving that aside, I think there are all kinds of nomads. For instance, I donโ€™t fit either category - Iโ€™m very budget conscious but do not backpack, am interested in very nice accommodation with the smallest possible price tag, and tend to stay in one place for months at a time. I think Iโ€™ve stayed in a hostel once over the past 3-4 years, and itโ€™s not something I want to repeat anytime soon. Rather than tiers, I imagine something more along the lines of overlapping circlesโ€ฆ

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@marcob6yr

@ani I agree with you in part, although โ€œtiersโ€ does sound hierarchical isnโ€™t that what really is - unfortunately, we are subject to these categories because of money, status, society etc - but I believe they can, and should, be broken within the circle of people that travel, explore and are seeking meaningful expereinces. The reason those circles overlap is because they share many similarities, but there doesnโ€™t seem to be a lot of overlap between young successful entrepreneurs and those that are still โ€œup and comingโ€. Why is that?

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I donโ€™t even know what characterises a young successful entrepreneur or someone who is still โ€œup and comingโ€, as I am neither - there are nomads of all types. Iโ€™m a freelance translator, editor and proofreader, and Iโ€™m never, ever going to have a big income, but Iโ€™m almost fifty and Iโ€™m going to find a way to live well. Thatโ€™s part of the appeal of being a nomad. As a poor person whose work is location independent, I can leverage my mobility to make my small income go further, while also enjoying travel, living in beautiful places and working on my languages, among other things.

So perhaps the two sets you suggest would be more meaningful if limited to nomad entrepreneursโ€ฆ I guess Iโ€™m just speaking out for those who arenโ€™t!

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@marcob6yr

@ani I completely agree, I guess what Iโ€™m looking at is a bit more specific - whereas the term โ€œNomadโ€ is broad enough to include a bigger universe of people. Thanks so much for your input. Iโ€™ve done some translating work in the past, it can be hard work at times - but the location independency is so worth it :wink:

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by @rose_davis2yr 1 year ago | 7 comments

Hi!

I am planning to move to Latin America for 3-4 months (Oct-January). Iโ€™ve narrowed down 6 different places that I want to visit before committing to settling down, but Iโ€™d love to get some community input.

Here are the cities Iโ€™m considering:

  • Quito, Ecuador
  • Cuenca, Ecuador
  • Medellin, Columbia
  • Cartagena, Columbia
  • Antigua, Guatemala
  • San Marcos La Laguna, Guatemala

The most important things Iโ€™m looking for:

  • Fast/easily accessible internet
  • Easy to meet other nomads/make friends in general
  • Safe for women
  • Some sort of spiritual community (Iโ€™m also a yoga teacher)
  • Easily walkable city

Anyone have any experience with these places and can give some insight? Iโ€™m also completely open to other recommendations.

Thanks!
Rose

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