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Has anyone tried to apply for a non-lucrative residence visa in Spain?

 

in Spain by @i_am_aileen 8yr  | 29 comments

Hey everyone,

Iโ€™m planning on moving to Spain and Iโ€™d like to connect with those who have tried to apply for this special type of long-term visa called as โ€œnon-lucrative residence visaโ€.

Going from what Iโ€™ve researched so far, itโ€™s a good option for us nomads (more so: business owners) to stay longer in Spain (one only needs to prove steady stream of income of at least EUR 2.2K per month and that you should NOT work for Spain โ€” so letโ€™s say having a U.S. company and staying in Spain is fine).

So : my concerns right now revolve mainly on anyoneโ€™s experiences with applying for this type of visa. How difficult was it? How long did it take you?

Also, Iโ€™m wondering about how I can secure a rental space for a year if my lease depends on the approval from the embassy. Iโ€™m also wondering if Valencia is a good place to stay in?

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@mchaver 8yr

If your ultimate goal is to get Spanish citizenship keep in mind that you can apply for naturalization after two years, but the application may take a number of years and they consider a number of factors like language skill and integration. I imagine it will be hard to prove you are integrated if you only stay in Spain for 183 days a year.

How Filipinos Can Apply for European Citizenship in Two Years

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@greenhorn 8yr

Hi @harrisfellman

Do you mind sharing the lawyer in Spain that you talked for your non lucrative residence visa application?

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@wakkos 8yr

Hello, yes, you can move through all the EU with your long-term visa (Or any kind of VISA)

I have a friend couple who were working at Adobe, they quit and came here for a couple of month, no earnings but their house rented in Palo Alto income. I donโ€™t think thereโ€™s a problem if you have your company over seas. And the process took them 4 month or so.

I live in Valencia for 4 years so far, if you have questions about the city, just ask =)

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@greenhorn 8yr

Hi @wakkos

I have a few questions regarding Valencia if you donโ€™t mind.

How much does it cost to have a 1 BR apartment (not studio) in Valencia?

Is it easy to make friends in Valencia as you learn Spanish?

Is Valencia a good place to stay if you are interested in running, bicycling, hiking etc? What are some good neighbourhoods (that would be near running or bicycling trails) for this?

What are some advantages and disadvantages of Valencia compared to bigger cities such as Barcelona and Madrid?

Sorry for too many questions! :slight_smile:

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@wakkos 8yr

YWell, 1br apt. May vary from 450 to 600 /m, everything is location location location.

In the city you have plenty of bike rails, and a nice public bike service for 30โ‚ฌ /year. Iโ€™m not too sure about hiking, but itโ€™s surrounded by places to do it.

Anywhere close to Valencia capital is nice to live under those conditions.

Iโ€™d never live in Madrid, since it takes like one hour to go from one place to another, while in Valencia is quite close everything (included Madrid, you get there in 1:45 with the AVE - high speed train - ). So Valencia is well located, not too crowded and not too touristic.

People is nice and itโ€™s a growing startup center, every time there are more coworkings, accelerators, startups incubators, etc.

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@rydela 8yr

@iamaileen thanks for posting this.

I contacted the consulate in Houston (where I would have to apply) and I was told you need the full amount of money required in your bank account at the time of applying. Earning freelance income monthly (even with contracts signed) would not count.

A little bummed myself. Looks like Iโ€™ll have to apply for a self-employed visa.

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@oskar 8yr

@iamaileen Well keep this thread posted if you start your application for the visa :slight_smile:

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@oskar 8yr

@iamaileen Which part of Spain are you thinking in living in? Iโ€™m considering also Spain and although i prefer London, the cost and the weather makes Spain more viable and attractive. Iโ€™m from South America so i can get also the citizenship in two years, but again one thing that bugs me is that you would lose flexibility, in other words you would have to stay in spain several years :slight_smile:

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@oskar 8yr

Keep in mind that the self employed visa from spain is for people that want to be self employed in spain, ie open a local business in spain to benefit the local population. Correct me if iโ€™m wrong but this type of visa is NOT for freelancers that want to work remotely from spain for his/her employer abroadโ€ฆ

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@harris 8yr

Actually, Oskar - I do believe youโ€™re wrong. This is based on what the agent at the Spanish Consulate in Los Angeles told me. They are beginning to look at people that work for a company in the USA (or elsewhere) but are physically located in Spain as โ€œself-employedโ€ now too.

That said โ€“ who the heck knows, really?
You go to one consulate and get a different set of answers than another.

Iโ€™m working through an immigration lawyer in Spainโ€ฆ and she directed me to do the non-lucrative. And luckily, since I own the company, Iโ€™m able to say that my income is just from my โ€˜equityโ€™ or โ€˜dividendsโ€™ or whatever.

However, when I got to the consulate window, was told the above info and both my wife and I had to fill out something stating specifically that we will โ€œnot be working in Spainโ€ because theyโ€™re viewing this sort of thing more like โ€˜self-employedโ€™ than โ€˜non-lucrativeโ€™.

Keep in mind, too โ€“ the self-employed visa fee is more expensive than non-lucrative - so, if youโ€™re Spainโ€ฆ youโ€™d rather get the higher fee, right?

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@camposped 8yr

Hey @harrisfellman, any news regarding your progress on the application? Thanks!

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@harris 8yr

Yes - sorry, I meant to reply to this earlier. We have our non-lucrative Visas attached to our US Passports. This is good for 90 days. However, we have just 30 days once we get to Spain to get an NIE and extend to 1 year Visa (and show a 6-12 month lease). Weโ€™re 5 days in - hoping to use a friendโ€™s address if donโ€™t get something permanent first.

From the time I was allowed to submit my paperwork to the consulate and the time it was approved โ€“ was 8 days. I have another friend that this was the case for as well. Very fast. And we only had 30 days to pick them up (LA Consulate forced my whole family to come pick them up โ€ฆ a friend said NY Consulate did not do this. Each consulate is going to be a little different on the details.)

I see below that @rydelafosse says Houston is requiring you have the full year in your bank account (I hear this is 25,000 euros or so). We do have that in our account plus we show income from business ownership rather than from โ€˜freelance workโ€™.

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@rydela 8yr

Thanks for the response. Happy about the short turnaround time. Iโ€™m always told it will be 3-4 weeks.

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@harris 8yr

yeah, they told me 4-5 weeksโ€ฆ
which wouldโ€™ve been better for us as we had to travel back from Costa Rica to pick up the Visasโ€ฆ but as they say in Costa Rica, โ€œpura vidaโ€ :slight_smile:

So far โ€“ itโ€™s worth it. #lovingbarcelona

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@harris 8yr

Iโ€™m going through this process right now. I have not yet been approved. A coupe things Iโ€™ve learned:

Thereโ€™s a โ€œself-employedโ€ visa as well as a โ€œnon-lucrativeโ€.

The non-lucrative is really supposed to be for people that are retired. However, in my case, since I own a company in the USA, I was able to say that my income comes from the โ€˜ownershipโ€™ of the company and not me โ€œworkingโ€.

If you are working for a companyโ€ฆ or freelanceโ€ฆ this is going to likely be considered โ€œSelf-Employedโ€. Spain is allegedly getting more stringent on this particular rule.

Having credit cards with available credit helpsโ€ฆ having 25k-30k euros in the bank helpsโ€ฆ the more the better. Theyโ€™re getting more concerned about people that get approved for a year with their 26000 in savings and then donโ€™t have the means to continue financially beyond the yearโ€ฆ but stay anyway.

Youโ€™ll only be given a 90 day visa from the USA โ€“ then you need to go an finish the process at the local police station where you live. You need to have a โ€˜permanent addressโ€™ when you do this.

Which Consulate youโ€™re applying at matters. Los Angeles & San Francisco are considerably more ball-busters than New York & Miami, for instance. (I went to the LA location with all my documentsโ€ฆ but they ultimately made me come back with a new appointment (6 weeks later) because I did not make copies of bank statements & insurance info for my childrenโ€™s applications.)

For nomads, I think the Visa application process is going to be pretty challenging b/c weโ€™re used to being so โ€˜freeโ€™ and โ€˜flexibleโ€™. Government red tape is like our kryptonite. I canโ€™t speak for โ€œallโ€ countries - but Iโ€™ve talked to some other nomads and expats and really itโ€™s the same everywhere โ€“ well โ€˜same but differentโ€™ - they all have red tape, but the nuances are very different from country to country (and even Spanish Consulate to Spanish Consulate).

If I was single, I would seriously consider just 3 months in Spainโ€ฆ then 3 months in a non-Schengen countryโ€ฆ and then back again. If you really want to stay in Spain for a year or more โ€“ then youโ€™ve just got to be ready to collect a bunch of paperwork and decide that itโ€™s worth it to overcome the challenge.

(Oh, and if your plan is to just stay in Spain for a year and not travel outside of that country - theyโ€™re known to be very relaxed in this regard. Spain, Italy, Greece and some others are very relaxed on the โ€˜3 month schengenโ€™ rule. Maybe thatโ€™s changing b/c of the refugee crisis, I donโ€™t know.)

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thanks for posting this.

I didnt know this was even an option and now itโ€™s something Iโ€™ll keep in mind for the future :slight_smile: btw what are the application fees if any?

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@lucha54 8yr

You could apply for a freelancers visa; my friend Marizaโ€™s business is a full service helping people get them (she has connections with Spanish lawyers) but she also recently put out an ebook for DIYers. Her site is SpanishBusinessVisas.com

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Hey thanks for that info @lucha54 Butโ€ฆ I think I read online about how I would have to establish my โ€˜businessโ€™ in Spain to do that ( which I wouldnโ€™t want to do). I mean, I think my situation is more of an entrepreneur than a freelancer (I own an online Amazon business). Not sure if I still qualify as โ€˜freelancerโ€™ then?

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@oskar 8yr

indeed. That โ€œfreelancerโ€ visa doesnt seem to be โ€œfreelancerโ€ at all. I dont want to set up a business in spain. I just want to work for my employer remotely from spain to the worldโ€ฆ

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Likewise. Iโ€™ve read of people who have been able to do it though (working remotely there in Spain under this visa). I believe the main importance they put for this kind of non-lucrative visa is that for the applicant to prove that he/she has enough monthly income stream to support himself/herself.

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@mule5 8yr

How much do you think that monthly income level would have to be?

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@oskar 8yr

2200 euros per month

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@mule5 8yr

What about showing 26,400 euros in savings for a year long stay, sufficient? Or it needs to be monthly income?

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Iโ€™ve read online that proving current assets help but they put great importance more on proving that you have a recurring monthly income โ€“ I guess as a way to assure them that you wonโ€™t find work when in Spain and steal jobs from the Spanish people.

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Still trying to figure out if that EUR 2,130 (exact) income requirement is before or after taxes (net or gross).

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@oskar 8yr

hey thats funny iโ€™m also considering in staying in spain longer and also thinking in going to Valencia. (i have already been to Madrid and Barcelona). Do you have links
for info about the visa you are talking about?
Thanks!

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Awesome to hear! Well this is the page of the embassy from my home country: http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/MANILA/en/InformacionParaExtranjeros/Applying-for-Visa/LongtermVisas/Pages/Residence-Visa.aspx

There should be a corresponding page for your nationality.

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@lia9255 8yr

I canโ€™t speak to the long-term visa issue (yet, I may do this in 2017) but I spent a few months in Valencia and Barcelona in mid-2015. I rented Airbnb apartments in both cities and Valencia cost half of what I paid in Barcelona. Valencia was easy to navigate, with lots to do and decent wifi. Long-term apartment leases may require more than a 1-year commitment and Iโ€™m told itโ€™s best to speak/read Spanish or have someone who can help with the contract. Since rental agencies usually take 1-3 months additional rent as deposit, you might want to rent through Airbnb for a few months and then look for something else (and apply for the residence visa) later on.

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Thank you so much for your feedback!

A lot of my friends have said the same about Valencia.

As for leases, thatโ€™s great to know. I looked at this website called idealista and I found a really good apartment that said 1 month deposit only. Not sure about the requirement yet for the commitment. Nevertheless, I have heard about that option of renting an AirBnB for a few months and telling the embassy of my desire to find a longer term place once Iโ€™m in Spain. The thing is, Iโ€™m already in Europe and I have time to go apartment hunting, so I was thinking it could be nice to just find something now.

(Iโ€™ll lodge my application back in my home country in the Philippines).

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by @jackgopack 4yr 4 years ago  | 15 comments

Any long terms Project Fi users cancelled?

Planning on being outside of the US for a year or more and disappointed to just discover their โ€œtermination for excessive international roamingโ€ fine print (similar to T-Mobileโ€™s) as follows:

โ€œThe Services must be primarily used in the United States and are not intended for extended international use. Further, the Services are designed for use predominantly within our network. If your usage outside our network is excessive, abnormally high, or cause us to incur too much cost, we may, at our option and sole discretion, suspend your Project Fi account, terminate your service, or limit your use of roaming.โ€

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How to be sure of new tax residence?


by @analogmario 5yr 5 years ago  | 0 comments

Hi, Iโ€™m new here.
I am moving out forever.
So I am going to move to another country my residence.
But, in the new country I donโ€™t plan to spend more than 90 days a year for sure, at least itโ€™s not the plan for the first years.

But I want to be sure that my tax residence is in my new country, even if I spend less than 90 days a year.
I want to be sure I wonโ€™t be reclaimed by my original country or any other country that I might end up spending less than 180 days, but more than the less than 90 I expect to spend in my new country(looks like itโ€™s going to be Portugal).

Hope that was understandable.

Does anyone know where I can get information about this kind related to nomadism?

Thanks

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How do I ensure that getting refused entry to the UK won't keep me from getting an Australian 462 (work and holiday) visa?


in Australia by @allisonkirschbaum 5yr 5 years ago  | 0 comments

On New Yearโ€™s Day this year, I was refused entry to the UK due to not having proof of funds, an outward-bound plane ticket (I was road-tripping out with a friend via car) and not being able to prove that I had indeed canceled the lease on the apartment I had leased during a prior recent trip.

I havenโ€™t had any entry issues to any of the several countries Iโ€™ve visited after, but now Iโ€™m applying for a 462 visa (work and holiday) visa in Australia, and since Australia and the UK share an immigration info system, I want to make sure getting refused entry wonโ€™t keep me from getting a visa. None of the issues that cropped up in the UK (the proof of funds, the plane ticket, and the apartment) will be an issue in Australia, as Iโ€™ve never traveled there before, donโ€™t know anyone and will have proof of more than sufficient funds for the trip and an outbound plane ticket.

Anybody have any suggestions on how to make the approval process go as smoothly as possible?

Many thanks in advance! :smiley:

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Can anyone recommend a good Spanish language learning program in Alicante or Valencia?


in Valencia , Spain by @charliemartel 5yr 5 years ago  | 0 comments

Iโ€™m looking to spend 1-3 months in Alicante or Valencia this fall and would like to take a Spanish class there.

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Shikoku,can anyone help me with information about living there please


by @lofty 5yr 5 years ago  | 3 comments

Hi,
My name is Nick,currently living in Australia and looking at moving to Shikoku next year to live for a couple of years.My wife is Japanese,but I dont speak much though I have lived in Tokyo for some years previously.
Any advice on best areas to look at would be greatly appreciated ,

Thanks in advance
Nick

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Anyone have tips for preventing or getting over jet lag? ๐Ÿ˜“๐Ÿ˜ดโœˆ๏ธ


by @artofbryce 5yr 5 years ago  | 10 comments

We just finished our first stint around South East Asia and somehow survived 3 days of way too many flights, leaving me to feel like death.

Too much shitty airplane food, not enough sleep, big time difference from Mexico to SEA.

Anyone have tips to prevent that more in the future (aside from better flight plans)? More importantly, how do I recover faster from this horror?

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How to find an appartment in Valencia, Spain?


in Valencia , Spain by @them 5yr 5 years ago  | 8 comments

Hey all,

planning on going to Valencia for a while and am looking for an appartment from April to summer. Any Ideas where to look for? Appart from airbnbโ€ฆ

Also any tipps for area to live in and work spaces are most welcome.

thanks and best regards,
The M.

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Can anyone recommend a good Swedish bank for European student?


by @raz 6yr 6 years ago  | 1 comment

The ideal bank will have an easy on-boarding as a European student studying and living in Sweden for a year and is merciful when it comes to sending GBP into the account.
Can anybody recommend a good Swedish bank? :raised_hands:

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