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Would you like to help revitalize a village in Greece?

 

in Greece by @lightmotif 9yr  | 48 comments

Hi all -

Iโ€™ve recently connected with an interesting community group called the Meraki people, based in a village in the Peloponnese of Greece, only 2 hours from Athens and its airport, and 1 hour and 15 minutes from Kalamata and its airportโ€ฆfull of cultural gems, great beaches and wild mountainous landscapes. They are trying to bring new life and economy to their villages, in a self-sustaining, technologically-innovative, and environmentally-positive way. And theyโ€™re interested in hosting digital nomads in a community experience where you could work on your own projects and/or volunteer to help the local communities, depending on your interests and availability. They have received some significant international recognition already.

Iโ€™m trying to work out details around a potential gathering approx mid-Nov to mid-Dec. but also want to gauge interest before getting too far. Cost of lodging should be reasonable/ off-season โ€“ apts or private rooms with heat and hot water, and there would be a co-working space + potential community kitchen. @alldreamedup and @munly_leong expressed interested in Greece this fall - have either of you made plans? Also, @srajan821 and @bradonomics - the Meraki people are trying to do something similar to an eco-village, so wanted to give you a shout too.

Hope to hear from some nomads interested this fall (or in the future). Thanks!

Susan

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Iโ€™m thinking Greece for late fall until Christmas, Iโ€™ll follow updates :slight_smile:

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No, sorry โ€“ I would e-mail Agata at the address in my previous reply.

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OK, it looks like the Meraki group in Greece would prefer to discuss details and needs about a nomad gathering in our FaceBook group โ€“ and Iโ€™d really prefer they coordinate things instead of me. Again, just search for Nomads for Sustainability and Social Good and Iโ€™ll add you. If youโ€™re not on FaceBook, you may e-mail Agata Bez at: [email protected] with your needs and interests. Iโ€™ll update this thread when decisions are made. Thanks!

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@them 8yr

Any updates on the Greece/Meraki project?

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Iโ€™ve asked a woman from the Meraki People group in Greece to take over coordination with nomads, as Iโ€™m unsure if I can make it to Greece in 2016, and would rather someone affiliated directly with the group coordinate this effort to see what peopleโ€™s needs are. Hopefully she will join this thread but if not Iโ€™ll let people know how to contact them.

That still leaves November/ December plans open for me, and I should probably start a new thread, but Iโ€™d still love to see if anyone working on a social/ digital project would like to gather somewhere for mutual inspiration. I have a โ€œcleanwebโ€ project Iโ€™ve been kicking around for a while, would love feedback. Maybe we could choose a city where a Global Climate March will take place end of November โ€“ I was thinking Valencia?

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Nice initiative! I definitely agree that we need more of this.

I would be interested in joining it (or a similar initiative) starting mid-March 2016.

xavier AT antoviaque.org

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Just requested access to the FB Nomads for Sustainability group (100th member, w00t). My wife and I would potentially be interested in this late summer / early fall 2016. contact: tyler -at- owlandbear.org

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Yes, judging from the number of people who have joined our Nomads for Sustainability and Social Good group on FB this past week (after I posted about it here), I think there is a hunger in the nomad community for more opportunities like this. So again, feel free to join the group and post your own ideas. (Btw, Iโ€™m also open to hosting the group somewhere other than FB but these days itโ€™s hard to know whereโ€ฆ I love the simplicity of this forum and am tempted to request group functionality here, but donโ€™t want to add to Pieterโ€™s already long feature request listโ€ฆ lol)

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Thanks for trying anyway.

Doesnt have to be Greece, maybe at least for now we can all be mindful of freeing up some time for something similar next year, hopefully with better internet. Everyone can forget Australia on that front lol along with the costs.

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Hey,

Im currently in Greece, just arrived back here. Im in Corfu as a way in to Albania and have no solid plans after here. โ‚ฌ500 a month is a lot to pay in Greece, I was here earlier this year for 2 months on the islands and stayed in hotels for a little over half thatโ€ฆ But, if there is a group of like like minded people and co working space then I would be interested for sure. What dates are you thinking now?

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Damn, this sucks big time. Iโ€™m booked up this year :frowning:

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Hey @nomadic-geek and all โ€“ Iโ€™m happy to take feedback on prices, but Iโ€™m also surprised to hear that 500 Euro per month for a whole apartment is high. What do you think would be standard/ reasonable? Iโ€™m in Croatia off-season and paying 600 (for a beautiful 2 BR, negotiated rate) and we are all paying about that here or more. I did look on AirBnB for this area in Greece and prices were way higher for apts during this timeframe.

Anyway, to recap (I know this is a long thread), Iโ€™m not organizing anything for this fall. Wifi isnโ€™t up to snuff and I have other stress right now (father going into surgery) so I am just letting this go now. Maybe Spring 2016.

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@psedillo 9yr

Hey @suuzin I actually thought the opposite and think that 500 Euro per month with WiFi included is pretty reasonable. Granted I live in Austin, Texas and would love to be paying that here!

Thank you for doing all of the research to help pull this together. I hope works out in the spring of 2016.

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Is there a way to keep updated on this? Iโ€™d be interested for Spring '16 :slight_smile:

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Iโ€™ve sent a request for your FB group and will keep my eyes peeled for further developments.

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So, the latest is the Internet might be upgraded in December or January. Iโ€™ll update this thread in the future if there is a new opportunity. Thanks, everyone, who expressed interest.

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I agree, @wanderingdev. Here in Croatia itโ€™s always the upload speed thatโ€™s a problem (when there is a problem), and I think it could even be an issue for Skype calls. Iโ€™ll let them know and keep the thread updated if they suggest anywhere else.

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@dvc 9yr

Iโ€™m interested in theory! Iโ€™m beginning to think about where to spend December and this seems like an interesting option, conditional on quality of accommodation, internet speed, etc.

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that upload speed would be a deal killer for many people. itโ€™s not enough for video. Especially if you have multiple people on the network like in the coworking space.

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I donโ€™t know โ€“ I think the issue is weโ€™re talking about a group of 20 villages that have been partially abandoned due to Greeceโ€™s economic troubles. I thought they were putting us in the main village with the best wifi and services, but they probably tried to find a better housing arrangement for us elsewhere.

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Sorry - they switched villages from the original proposal, and assured me fast wifi, but I think the speedtest results of this one is not adequate: http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4746671536

@psedillo @vodafon @andrewkent - what do you think? They mentioned potentially getting some upgrades to wifi soon but Iโ€™m inclined not to rush for this fall.

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Its still better than my third world Australian internet.

I cant wait to move to a developing country to get proper first world internet compared to this BS. Seriously never ever come to Australia. Ever. Ridiculous costs, tin can and string communications infrastructure.

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I am told by my friend who runs muniwireless.com that both Australia and New Zealand have issues (Internet wasnโ€™t great for me in Indonesia either) because they get cut off from the rest of the worldโ€™s more stable high-speed cable supply under water. http://submarinecablemap.com/

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thanks for the submarine cable map. I actually still have a non profit Iโ€™m trying to get back to working on, www.worldbroadbandfoundation.org aiming to map this sort of thing around the world so we can look up internet quality and thatโ€™s and I dont think I have that map in the internal wiki weโ€™ve been keeping :slight_smile:

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Cool - I just Googled to find that map, and not to get this thread off-topic, but you may be interested in this original article by my friend, Esme, where she talks about this issue (however a few years old now): http://www.muniwireless.com/2013/08/21/broadband-experience-europe-asia-latin-america-the-us/ @jerriep

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Yeah, I think Australia and South Africa has very similar problems in this regard. They have to be connected by underseas cables, and because they are so far away from Europe and the US it becomes a very expensive exercise.

This means slower and more expensive internet accessโ€ฆ :frowning:

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Not every country has high population densities to make the cost of laying fiber cables everywhere a reality. Our internet infrastructure is also entangled in our countryโ€™s politics. Go find another connection mate.

Weโ€™ve lived decades of growth, economic and political stability - itโ€™s driven up the cost of living & the rise of a happy affluent society.

Go for a surf or go find a kangaroo. Just sit an relax and enjoy one of the most politically & socially free countries in the world.

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@psedillo 9yr

Possibly late winter or early spring would be better. When do you think they will have the wifi upgraded?

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Ha! You should see the upload speeds in Guatemala :smile: I agree though, with multiple people on a network like that, it might not work so well.

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@psedillo - I will try to put up a web page tomorrow with all the info Iโ€™ve received, including apartment photos. In the mean time, let me know if you have specific questions. You can read a little here about the Meraki people - http://www.livinlovin.gr/the-meraki-people-go-global/. They were originally going to host us in Paralio Astros, but now the exact village would be Xiropigado Arcadias. https://www.google.gr/search?q=xiropigado&newwindow=1&espv=2&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CD4Q7AlqFQoTCO6mmJ2jwMgCFQFKFAodqfEDAg&biw=1680&bih=949

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@psedillo 9yr

I might be interested in heading to Greece for this opportunity. Right now I have a farelock on a flight to Beijing during the second week of November. Iโ€™ll need to make a decision in the next 5 days. Iโ€™m not a Facebook user so no access to your group. Do you have more information elsewhere that I can check out?

In December Iโ€™ll be headed to France for the last two weeks of the year.

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Wow, Guatemala! Feel free to message me with specific questions, @andrewkent or anyone else. This community organization is in the early stages, but they envision remaking their somewhat abandoned villages with green โ€œfactoryโ€ and technology efforts. They hosted Dr. Gunter Pauli recently โ€“ you can Google him to learn more about him.

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Iโ€™m seriously considering this if I can find a reasonably priced flight from Guatemala to Athens. Iโ€™ll dig around and let you know.

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@rokeeffe 9yr

Damn, this would be sweet for maybe in the new year, but Iโ€™ll be in Las Palmas for November and December!

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I understand. Right now, just 1 month, but there might be flexibility for folks who wish to stay longer. I can inquire.

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I think itโ€™s likely this village will want to continue to host digital nomads next year. But actually the main details are already worked out for this year if anyone wants to come. A group of six apartments for 500 Euro single occupancy/ 600 double for 1 month. I have pictures and the places look very comfortable, 100 meters from the sea. If I can find nomads to take four apts, Iโ€™ll take the fifth, and the sixth has been offered to us for free as a co-working space (they would outfit it with tables/ desks) and community meal space. High-speed wifi. The organic food on offer sounds amazing! And there are tavernas in town too.

Ancient Theatre of Epidaurus, Mycenae, Nemea Games and numerous monasteries as well as a lot of trekking, mountain biking, forest hiking, snorkeling, tai chi lessons, and excellent cultural events. They are trying to roll out the red carpet for us, and Iโ€™ve gotten a tiny bit of interest from some FB groups, but would need more to move forward. So please do chime in if the Nov-Dec timeframe works for you. Thanks!

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Whatโ€™s the duration? 2-3 months?

Never say never but at the moment Iโ€™m only half way as far as the portable income that I would like, wish I wasnโ€™t tied down. Iโ€™m also running behind in launching my store and at this point its doubtful whether I can get it launched in time for xmas or sooner.

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This year will be out for me too. I still have a govt grant that ties me down till end of Feburary (unless I manage to replace it with something remote and more lucrative) and Im looking to set up base in Panama first before any real nomadic travel. Later next year could be doable though, sounds like it would all be a bit rushed to work out by this year anyway.

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Also, for all who are reading and interested in this general kind of opportunity, a few other nomads and I started a group on FaceBook called Nomads for Sustainability and Social Good - https://www.facebook.com/groups/494385280736762/ Feel free to send me a request there and Iโ€™ll add you!

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@marcob 9yr

This all sounds very interesting. Iโ€™m trying to start something similar in Samoa (helping local villagers), and then link them to Chattanooga TN, where I currently reside, and in the south of Italy. Glad to hear more people are doing this sort of thing.

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@iv 9yr

Itโ€™s interesting. Where I can find more info about this village?

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Thanks for your interest! :smile:

If you mean the community group, The Meraki People, they have a FaceBook page - https://www.facebook.com/groups/269767659843100/. They are actually trying to revitalize several villages, some in a nearby mountainous area near Paralio Astros โ€“ that seaside village is likely where we would stay if this happens in November, because it is already set up with the best wifi.

Here are a couple of links on the general area:


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Yep, I hear you on Schengen. I hope some other spontaneous nomads will respond here!

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Iโ€™m all about last minute, itโ€™s just hard with schengen limits. :slight_smile:

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OK, I had a feeling most nomads werenโ€™t as last-minute with their travel plans as me. But if it doesnโ€™t work out for a group in the near term, I or someone will definitely keep you posted.

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sounds cool. i have to get out of schengen and Iโ€™m going to volunteer but good luck!

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Aww this sounds great but in the end I settled for Lisbon instead so Iโ€™m all booked up until Xmas, so not this time round but definitely another time! Keep us posted when youโ€™re there please, thatโ€™s very inspiring!

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I think it sounds interesting too, but my travel is booked until next autumn. Anyway now Iโ€™m investigating it. Maybe next year!

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in Greece by @jammingsloth 7yr 7 years ago  | 7 comments

Any recommendations on cities/islands in Greece for the month of November? Looking for a place that is not cold, with good food, good internet, nice outdoors, and not in complete isolation.

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How are Lefkada or Kefalonia in Greece for digital nomads?


in Greece by @essence 7yr 7 years ago  | 1 comment

Has anyone done remote work from Lefkada or Kefalonia in Greece? Heard internet is good on Lefkada, thinking of spending some weeks of September there. Also looking for coliving/coworking peepz to get a house with, posted a tread in the coliving section, check it out in interested :slight_smile:

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Formentera, Spain vs. Santorini, Greece?


in Santorini , Greece by @que 8yr 8 years ago  | 5 comments

Hi,
Iโ€™m ready to start traveling again (looking at May through August, about). I have a little more money to spend and would like an island experience in Southern Europe. Iโ€™m a little older and looking for a little more comfort these days. I would plan to rent a 1 bedroom apartment if possible. Places that come to mind are Formentera or Santorini. Iโ€™d like to stay for 2 or 3 months. Does anyone have any experiences to share with these two locales. One concern I have about Greece is safety given the economic crisis. Any insight into there would be appreciated.

Thanks

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From "selfish nomadism" to "supportive nomadism" โ€” Greece, anyone?


in Greece by @alldreamedup 8yr 8 years ago  | 12 comments

Iโ€™m still trying to decide where to go between October and Christmas this year. Too many criteria to handle and at this point no absolute priority is emergingโ€ฆ first world problems. :wink: So I turned the โ€œproblemโ€ around, instead of thinking selfishly โ€œwhat can this or that place do for me?โ€ I am now thinking โ€œwhat can I do for this or that placeโ€? And soโ€ฆ Greece. I visited Athens & the Peloponnese on holidays last year and found some beautiful spots where I could definitely spend a couple of months, and am now thinking: what if thereโ€™s a few of us who rent a big house with Internet (preferably by the sea, that priority is pretty much always top of the list for me though Iโ€™m flexible) and turn โ€œselfish nomadismโ€ into โ€œsupportive nomadismโ€? I only have a contact in Nafplio for housing, so if you are interested in helping create this and have ideas/suggestions/contacts let me know in a comment! There may be a few practical difficulties, with the current cash shortageโ€ฆ I havenโ€™t studied this in details but hereโ€™s a thought, anyway!

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