Nomad List's mission is to promote the new freedom of movement of people enabled by remote work. Nomad List provides services for remote workers and digital nomads to solve challenges like finding destinations to go, places to work, neighborhoods to stay and building a community in a new place.
Nomad List finds you the best places in the world to live, work and play. Every second, it collects 1,000,000+ data points on 1,000+ cities around the world, from cost of living, temperature to safety. With that data, Nomad List gives you an idea of where it's best for you to live, work and travel.
The ranking of cities is based on all the different data points, with highest weight given to cost (should be affordable), current temperatures (should be comfortable), internet speed (should be somewhat fast and usable) and safety (should have low crime). Other indicators are also important like low in racism, gay/LGBTQ+ friendliness, air quality, if it's fun to live and if there's good nightlife.
Throughout the day the site keeps updating its data (including temperatures, humidity, internet speeds, exchange rates etc.) which means that at any moment you'll see the best cities recommended to you. Scores are re-generated every 10 minutes.
The ranking shows considerable changes throughout the seasons. In the summer, places in US and Europe start moving up while (like Berlin) in the winter Asia (like Thailand) and South America (like Medellin) do very well.
No, this site is one person coding everything. From the city database, to the community, to the chat. It's all hand-coded, designed, deployed and marketed by me. It's my life's work and it's hardcore but I really believe this site should exist and can change how people live and travel. I believe in the mission of making people more mobile and explore different cultures so that everyone mixes up and we really become one united world people. That's futuristic AF to me and that's why I do it! I think "settling" will be more archaic and we'll be more flexible in our physical location, thanks to technology.
For that to happen though, we need solid data to make decisions of where we go and live and travel. That's what I want to provide with Nomad List. And we also need people to be able to connect with when we're there, that's why I added community features like a social trips planner, chat and forum to it. Hopefully those tools together can make a significant change in people's behavior to travel more.
Since I made the site, I've met thousands of people that told me they either went traveling (and work remotely) because of Nomad List, or if they already were remote used Nomad List to research on where to go. Knowing that my site affects people's lives in a significant way is my motivation to work on it! (and yes, it pays my bills too)
It started out as a crowdsourced spreadsheet. That spreadsheet held about 25 cities. That was a great start, but crowdsourced data has by nature challenges with consistency. For example, some people have more expensive taste than others and will tell you the rent in a city is higher than the actual average.
To mitigate this, I contracted city editors to research data by a strict set of guidelines. That means I now have more consistent data. I also have way more cities than before. Since the start I've added over 500 of the biggest cities in the world and continue to add more every day.
The crowdsourced data is still there but I've also added 500+ new sources of data including public data sets by UN, WHO, IMF, World Bank for things like demographic and healthcare information, as well as public APIs for things like air quality and traffic density. All data is processed, averaged and normalized constantly. Practically that means there might be 42 different samples for air quality in Amsterdam, and 9 different internet speed measurements for Tokyo. My robots will remove outliers, discount older values and calculate median values that have the highest probability of being accurate when you arrive in a place. The more data (and thus samples) I put in to the site, the more accurate the overall data becomes (in theory). I hope.
AQI is Air Quality Index. An AQI from 0-25 is great, 25-50 is good, above 50 becomes bad, and above 100 is very unhealthy.
A certain share of Nomad List members actually check in to a place when they're there, to meet other people. But just as many aren't interested, and like to use the site but don't like to share where they are. That's both fine. In addition, there's more nomads than just on Nomad List. I extrapolate the amount based on a logarithmic multiplier number that's found by cross referencing the amount of checkins with estimates of the actual nomads in a place (for ex. by regularly asking coworking spaces in top cities how many members they have now).
This means if there's 20 checkins in Bali, there's probably about 850 nomads there. But if there's only 2 checkins in Prague, there's probably only 6 nomads there.
Please click the city, and then click the edit button on the to right to and submit a change. It'll take a day or so to process and will be mixed with other people's data! Some data points like air quality aren't editable, because I use sensor data for those.
The sites gets about 100 to 250 new data submissions per day from users. And thousands of samples from data sets updated throughout the day.
You can change most data on Nomad List's city pages, by clicking the pencil next to the value. Your submission is mixed with crowdsourced data from millions of other visitors to calculate the final data.
I do not and cannot add coworking spaces myself! I have partnerships with sites indexing coworking spaces such as Coworker.com and Workfrom. Add your space on those sites, and it'll show up here, but that might a few weeks, be patient! :)
I currently have 99% of cities in the world with a population over 250,000 people (over 1,000 cities). To avoid the site getting saturated with destinations and not maintainable, I am not planning on adding smaller places right now (with a few exceptions like Ubud or Koh Phi Phi which are specific nomad destinations). Usually the data for the biggest city near a small place is fairly close.
Come to one of our meetups, they usually have a bunch! Also they're around many coworking spaces. And many nomads carry them with them. I've spread about 10,000 stickers in the wild now.
Here's a link to the logo, in somewhat hi-res that you can print yourself if you want! Please don't sell them though but free is OK!
Good question! Primarily, you need a remote job, be a freelancer with remote clients or have your own business you can do online. If you have that, simply book a flight, pack up and go!
What you don't want to do is spend money on courses, seminars, conferences that teach you how to become a digital nomad. Things like re-selling products and having them shipped by other companies or warehouses to customers with you being in the middle, those are mostly scams. There's no magic secret to becoming a digital nomad: you need money coming in to pay your food and bills, put your stuff in a backpack, and fly somewhere. You also don't need to be a member of Nomad List to become a digital nomad. Just do it!
I made a site called Remote OK that shows all remote jobs available today. Applying to jobs can be challenging, there might be thousands of people applying for a job with 1 position. Remote working is a perk in a job, many people want it, few still get it unfortunately! The best advice is, get highly skilled at what you do until you're hired.
If you're already a freelancer, talk to your current clients and see how they feel about you working remotely for them. Consider timezone differences and not being able to physically meet up. Many clients are actually fine with this, and you might even be able to offer a discount to them for giving you this freedom! The most common freelance industries for digital nomads are web development, app development, design and virtual assistants.
It's not that different from starting any internet-based business, although you'll want to make sure you don't need to do things physically tied to a geographical location. Or if you do, make sure you can hire people in that place to work for you. Many digital nomads have businesses like web development agencies (where they hire out freelancers), e-commerce businesses or making apps/websites that lots of people pay for.
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The reality of tax as a digital nomad is complicated. It's a gray area because the laws haven't been updated yet to fit this new reality. There's some general guidelines that are relevant in most (developed) countries.
Firstly, if you're American, you're pretty much f'd because the U.S. government will tax you regardless of where you live (!). Then again their Navy Seals will save you if you get taken hostage anywhere, I can't say the same as a Dutch person.
If you're from developed countries, you're usually a tax resident in a country if you live there for 183 days. Although some countries like Taiwan make it shorter at 90 days already.
Important: it's up to your national taxation authority (e.g. IRS) to make the judgement if you're a taxable resident or not. They will judge it based on where you're registered as a resident, how many days you are physically in the country, where do you rent/own a house, where do you work, where do you spend your money, where do you have bank accounts and assets, sometimes even where your friends and family are located. This complicates things.
There's more odd laws that make it more complicated. The idea that you can just de-register in your country as a resident, fly to the other side of the world and stop paying tax is mostly incorrect. Many developed countries have a so-called tax residency fallback law, which means if you're not a resident elsewhere, you immediately for tax purposes are a taxable resident in the country of your citizenship, or sometimes the last country you were a resident. This means a German citizen who becomes a non-resident, travels around the world to work remotely, is never a resident anywhere, then comes back after 7 years, can potentially be retro-actively taxed for the years he was away for his worldwide income. I know cases where this happened.
If you don't want to pay tax in your home country, you literally need to move quite permanently to another country, become a resident there, rent or buy a house there, and actually live there 183 days per year. And preferrably, get rid of all assets in your home country, not take on clients in your home country, pretty much cut ties with your home country. Intense, right? You can visit your home country, but you will not even a second want to consider opening your laptop there and working, because that might make you a tax resident there again. You can visit and have a coffee. That's it. Maybe a sandwhich. Maybe another coffee but don't make it crazy.
Please note international tax law is one of the most confusing topics. The internet has thousands of websites that act like they have any idea what's going on, but since you're talking about 187 nationalities moving through 187 countries, there's so many intricacies that it's impossible to get it completely right for even the most advanced tax lawyers. International tax law is simply a gray area too.
So what should you do? Realistically, if you're planning to "go nomad" for awhile, stay a resident in your home country (maybe register at your parents house), if you have a company keep it in your home country and pay tax in your home country, as you did before. Your home country keeps receiving its tax and you remain a resident and it probably doesn't mind. What about the countries you're visiting? Again a gray area. Generally if you're not competing with local companies or local people, not hiring local people, not working for local companies in the country you're visiting, you're okay. I'm not saying you're completely legal. But the laws surrounding work permits in countries are generally made to protect local workers and companies. If you're French and your French company has French customers and French employees and you work from another country, it's hard for that country to argue you're competing with companies or the labor market in the country you're visiting.
I would suggest consulting an international tax lawyer. But I have to be real here. Right now, they're simply unaffordable. The international tax lawyers that actually know what they're talking about are companies like EY, KPMG, Deloitte etc. They won't advice people making $25,000/year. They advice you when you make $1,000,000/year and they'll charge a lot. But you'll be in the clear. But that's completely unattainable for most people. The international tax lawyers under this amount are simply not good enough. So to be radically honest, international tax for nomads is now a legal minefield. Tread carefully.
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In 2014, I was traveling as a digital nomad in SE Asia and I had seen Chiang Mai, Bali and Bangkok but I was wondering what more places would be suitable for nomads like me.
I knew I needed fast internet, nice weather and low cost of living. So I made a spreadsheet, shared it on Twitter and people helped fill it in. That became the basis for this site.
It then went straight to the top of Hacker News and Product Hunt. Since then it's been an amazing ride. I used that early momentum to launch lots of things that I hoped would create something sustainable. I started organizing meetups, launched a jobs site for nomads, a Q&A forum and a chat group.
We even hit Reddit's frontpage!
Nomad List and its affiliated sites get about 500,000-1,000,000 unique users per month with 2,000,000 too 5,000,000 pageviews depending on each month.
Yes, we had it but I closed it in 2016 after 6 clones of Nomad List showed up using our data on Product Hunt, Hacker News and in the iOS App Store and Google Play Store. It caused more trouble than it did good!
I am planning to add a "datasets" page where people can buy extracts of Nomad List's giant data set like "country codes", "cost of living" or "safety in 1,000 cities".
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Remember all those cool startups you used that were free but then they were acquired, shut down and now don't exist anymore? It's because free apps don't make money, and therefore can't survive:
Someone builds a cool, free product, it gets popular, and that popularity attracts a buyer. The new owner shuts the product down and the founders issue a glowing press release about how excited they are about synergies going forward. They are never heard from again.
Whether or not this is done in good faith, in practice this kind of 'exit event' is a pump-and-dump scheme. The very popularity that attracts a buyer also makes the project financially unsustainable. The owners cash out, the acquirer gets some good engineers, and the users get screwed.
To avoid this problem, avoid mom-and-pop projects that don't take your money! You might call this the anti-free-software movement.
If every additional user is putting money in the developers' pockets, then you're less likely to see the site disappear overnight. If every new user is costing the developers money, and the site is really taking off, then get ready to read about those synergies.
To illustrate, I have prepared this handy chart:
Free Paid Stagnant losing money making money Growing losing more money making more money Exploding losing lots of money making lots of money
What if a little site you love doesn't have a business model? Yell at the developers! Explain that you are tired of good projects folding and are willing to pay cash American dollar to prevent that from happening. It doesn't take prohibitive per-user revenue to put a project in the black. It just requires a number greater than zero.
I love free software and could not have built my site without it. But free web services are not like free software. If your free software project suddenly gets popular, you gain resources: testers, developers and people willing to pitch in. If your free website takes off, you lose resources. Your time is spent firefighting and your money all goes to the nice people at Linode.
So stop getting caught off guard when your favorite project sells out! “They were getting so popular, why did they have to shut it down?” Because it's hard to resist a big payday when you are rapidly heading into debt. And because it's culturally acceptable to leave your user base high and dry if you get a good offer, citing self-inflicted financial hardship.
Like a service? Make them charge you or show you ads. If they won't do it, clone them and do it yourself. Soon you'll be the only game in town!
— Maciej from Pinboard.
Because this is not a venture-capital funded startup. It's bootstrapped! We don't have any external funding on purpose. The problem with so many venture-capital funded startups is that their investors force them to grow fast in user base without making any money in the first few years, to then sell out to BigCo (e.g. Google, Facebook) for a few million dollars, then write a blog post about their incredible journey, then either shut the site down, or fuck over their users by filling the service with ads.
That sucks, right? I don't get that. I don't like that. The reason people do that because they're trying to make a quick buck. I get it. I'd love to too. But the odds of actual success are very low in that realm.
So I'd rather go for higher odds of success, try to make money on day one, and not make a billion dollars but just make good money to live off. Maybe I can hire a few people then later on. Maybe I even get funding later, but then it should be money that's really necessary. Maybe I'd actually get acquired later too. But it'd have to be good for the users in the first place. And there shouldn't be the extreme high growth trajectory which will then F over my users.
The challenge of going this way is that you can't offer everything for free, like Facebook or Google or any other funded startup does. You have to get money somehow. I could make money in sneaky ways like selling your user data, but that'd suck and honestly it wouldn't make that much money at this scale. So the fastest way is simply asking you, as a user of this site, for money.
Remember, right now this site is mostly me on a laptop coding my way through life. I love it and it's super fun but it also means that if I can't make any money with it I have literally no money and I'll have to get some desk job and this site won't exist.
A good full stack developer is paid $150,000+. A normal startup probably has 4 engineers. That's $600,000/y. Add some social media marketing people and you're close to $800,000/y in labor costs. Sending newsletter and transactional emails (like notices you have a new message on the forum) costs $5,000/y. Hosting and bandwidth is relatively cheap but still gets to $5,000/year including backup storage and backup servers. You need regular security people to check your server and avoid it getting hacked, which probably is another $10,000/y. Using Google's APIs for geocoding, showing maps is not free and costs about $1,000/year for our usage.
That means we'd be close to $1,000,000/y to make this profitable. I can assure you, we don't even make close that!
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Not really. Most ads are really ugly. And with 600,000 pageviews, and a CPM of $1.50, that's about $1,000/m. Not enough to cover the costs. Did I mention most ads are ugly?
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No, it's all raw code and except for jQuery, I don't use any frameworks. I think in the long run that actually makes it more original, better, and faster to develop as I won't be dependent on other developers (and their bugs).
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