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Hi, we are Coboat, an 82ft coworking catamaran sailing the world. AUA!


by @james | 5yr  | 15 comments

Hi we are Coboat, a floating coworking space. We will take our custom 82ft catamaran around the world and offer a platform for a mix of digital nomads and entrepreneurs to come on board to work and collaborate together.

We have the latest in green energy technology and will utilise the latest in satellite internet, 3G & 4G to stay connected and online.

We offer trips from one week to one year and we will take up to 20 together on a creative adventure to amazing places to find inspiration.

Like most other coworking spaces we will offer plenty of chances to encourage synergies, with regular events, skill & idea sharing sessions.

We are non-profit and we hope to foster and develop ideas for social projects as we travel through regions.

We are also running a free 100 day scholarship โ€˜Made on Coboatโ€™ for anyone who wants to kick-start a new project.

Please, ask us anything. :smile:

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@nomadforum | 5yr

Thanks for all the questions and Coboat for answering them! This AMA is now closed!

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@brian | 5yr

Hi Fullsheets,

I donโ€™t think my and Jamesโ€™ exchange is fodder. Simply two people communicating in an effort to come to an understanding in regards to the details of the Coboat 100 days project.

Brian

PS I love how coincidental your username is to the subject at hand, given Coboat is a sailboat. Life is funny like that sometimes!

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@brian | 5yr

Hi James. Any word from Jovoto re: the Project Terms? Thanks.

Brian

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@james | 5yr

Hi Brian, no news yet. We are in touch.

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@brian | 5yr

Thanks, James. I appreciate that youโ€™re being open-minded about this and also willing to look into it. Iโ€™ll continue to work on my project submission. Thanks again.

Brian

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@james | 5yr

Fully appreciate your concerns Brian, we will speak to Jovoto and try to get clarity on the subject to the users.

We would hate for it to interfere with what we are trying to do because like you say we are offering a great opportunity and we are not asking for anything more than that.

Cheers,
James

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@brian | 5yr

Fair enough, James. Iโ€™m not doubting Coboatโ€™s desire or integrity but I would still have to agree to Jovotoโ€™s Project Terms and Terms and Conditions which would set in place the terms I noted above, and others. So I have to assume that Jovoto could potentially benefit, and the licensing terms are extensive, comprehensive and forever. I left a message 3 days ago on the Coboat/jovoto briefing page at Jovoto.com for the project guide, Olof, but have not gotten a reply. The Project Terms and Terms and Conditions make sense to me if I were pursuing participation in a Jovoto crowdsourcing project, using my skills to attempt to make money on a client-based project, but to agree to them on a personal, long-term project would leave me (and anyone who already has submitted a project) very exposed. And those terms are active upon submitting a proposal, not just for the project that eventually gets chosen.

As a longtime creative Iโ€™ve learned that you simply canโ€™t sign on the dotted line and hope for the best. And, once again, I donโ€™t doubt your intention or sincerity. Youโ€™re offering a great opportunity for people like me; the opportunity, not only to have 3 months to work on a personally meaningful project while cruising on a catamaran, but also the collective knowledge of your organization and other coboaters. It really is exactly the opportunity that could make a huge impact on the project Iโ€™m pursuing, could help me take the next step while networking and pursuing long-term collaborators. But if it means essentially handing over all licensing rights in perpetuity to someone else, it just isnโ€™t worth the risk. And I also know what a pain in the butt Iโ€™m being, but I think itโ€™s important that people know what theyโ€™re signing up for and what the future could bring. Thanks.

Brian

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@brian | 5yr

Thanks for the reply, James. Good to hear. I also have a message waiting for reply from Olof at Jovoto. My understanding is an applicant has to agree to the Project Terms prior to applying, and the Project Terms, while not overly long, are filled with a lot of legalese, some of which reads like one is giving up certain rights upon application (merchandising rights, for example). Iโ€™ll read through them again and wait for Olofโ€™s reply.

Thanks again for your reply.

Brian

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@brian | 5yr

Hi again, James. Upon a second, closer reading of the Project Terms it does appear that the creative retains IP rights, but section 4 specifies a multitude of ways that the creative gives complete and interminable licensing rights to the client, who, I believe is Coboat. The language also seems to communicate that Jovoto is granted these licensing/use rights. For example:

4.3 The aforementioned rights of exploitation for commercial or promotional purposes include in particular:

4.3.2 The right to distribute or put into circulation the idea and all works, performances and activities contained in the idea in any known way and on all physical analog and digital media independently or in combination with other works, especially in support of a product, and/or to offer these to third parties, in particular to rent and lend out irrespective of the distribution channel and the embodiment, in particular through distribution of the idea and all works, performances and activities contained in the idea on the aforementioned digital or analog media via wholesalers, resellers or retailers, mail order and irrespective of whether by remote sale, electronic transaction, free transfer or free distribution;

4.3.4 The right to send or forward the idea, and all works, performances and activities contained in the idea, to third parties irrespective of whether in โ€˜analog or digitalโ€™ form whether via data networks in the form of subscription or download services (e.g. by streaming, video-on-demand, near-video-on-demand, podcasting, webcasting, simulcasting, IPTV, mobile TV, push services (such as RSS feed, XML interface, etc.) and pull services of all kinds) or via traditional modes of transmission such as public or private broadcast, rebroadcast and repeat broadcast via radio, television and similar systems of communication and reception, electromagnetic waves, electronic devices, wire, cable, satellite, antenna systems, digital means of communications and other technical equipment, whether via the clientโ€™s own means of transmission or via public or private broadcast companies;

These are just a few examples. By my reading Coboat/Jovoto have the right, even though I may retain IP rights, to commercially make available for sale or for free every aspect of the creativeโ€™s project forever. And itโ€™s unclear whether the creative gets any monetary reward. Thereโ€™s a general mention of negotiating with the client. Once again, Iโ€™m not a lawyer but thatโ€™s how I read it. Iโ€™m not casting aspersions. I just want to be clear on what I would potentially be signing by submitting a project. If i were using jovotoโ€™s service as a creative in the manner of a freelancer looking to make some money crowdsourcing on a client-based project, I have no problem with that. It would simply be a job. As an artist though, submitting an idea for a personal project, it seems problematic.

Your response above is, I think a great one. Given what you are offering, which is an amazing opportunity, I think that statement is laudable, workable and generous. I also think it would be understandable that Coboat/jovoto would want the recipient to be part of a promotional campaign during the 100 days: blogging, tweeting, etc. I think that would be fun, as well. I just donโ€™t think thatโ€™s what the fine print of the project terms indicate. (Not to mention Jovotoโ€™s Terms of Use, that must also be agreed to as well. And to which, I must admit, I didnโ€™t dig deeply into.) I think the Project Terms means that while I may retain IP rights, as well as the rights to commercially exploit my creation, Coboat/Jovoto also have the latter right as well, in any manner they see fit, in perpetuity. Maybe Iโ€™m wrong.

Brian

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@james | 5yr

These are Jovotโ€™s general T&Cโ€™s and we had mutual understanding that the Coboat project will use Jovoto as just a platform to create and host the competition. Once we have chosen the winning project we will do nothing but help you and your project become a reality, we will not in any way benefit directly or hold any rights to your project.

I hope this is clear.

Thanks,
James.

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@james | 5yr

Hi Brian, thanks for your question. Yes you would retain all the above, we are just offering the space and support to assist you in the creation of your project. We would like to follow the progress of the project on channels like social media with our community (this will also promote your project), but ultimately it is your project and you hold all the IP.

Our community on board will be available for open collaboration and mentoring assisting with the development. Ultimately this is a great opportunity for someone who is limited on resources and needs some insight and guidance. We can provide a platform for that.

Cheers,
James.

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@brian | 5yr

Hi James,

I visited the project page and read the project terms and the jovotoโ€™s terms and conditions. Not being a lawyer itโ€™s unclear to me how copyright, ownership and future profits shake out. Would I retain all of the above? What rights do coboat/jovoto get and for how long? Mine would be a long-term collaborative arts project, not a client-based project. Thanks.

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@james | 5yr

@Digimon thanks for your questions.
Obviously around the coasts we will get good 3G & 4G connections. At sea we will utilise the latest in satellite technology. We are currently in negotiations with the latest tech providers. and we are very confident of achieving 20-30 Mbps speeds, we have many options and providers available and they are launching new tech satellites in to orbit as we speak. Coboat is an 82 ft Catamaran, with 10 berths, Saloon, massive trampoline and may outside areas and space. So 20 people start to disappear quite quickly on such a big boat and there will always be space to make that call, trust me I used to work on the exact same boat 10 years ago! The internet will be 24/7.

@northcoffee haha, well we actually havenโ€™t launched yet! :wink: Our maiden voyage is 28th November from Phuket. Check out the schedule here . Yes the tech is expensive, we are looking at sponsors to help with this, it is obviously an important feature. We already have our green tech sponsors thanks to Oceanvolt. We are what you might consider a โ€˜flag shipโ€™ for technology! (pun intended)

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@digimon | 5yr

Whatโ€™s the internet speed and reliability like when youโ€™re in the middle of the ocean? Is there a private space I can go to make business calls? Am I able to do so at all hours? Thanks.

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@northcoffee | 5yr

They are currently offline and canโ€™t answer :grinning:

Seriously, I would also like to know what technology they are using. Things could get quite expensive: http://www.groundcontrol.com/BGAN_rate_plans.htm

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