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How do you find love as a digital nomad?

 

by @sadokx | 5yr  | 35 comments

Iโ€™m having trouble trying to create a nice and serious relationship. Iโ€™m not saying I want a wife, I just want a committed, supportive and loving relationship. However Iโ€™m finding out that, at least in my โ€œexpandedโ€ social circle in my home country, not many women have this burning desire of growing as a person, impacting the world through their actions, travelingโ€ฆ basically very few people have big goals and dreams. I guess itโ€™s the stigma of a โ€˜third-world countryโ€™. (Mexico).

I would love someone to travel with, that is as accomplished or even more accomplished that I am, that teaches me stuff as I can teach her, etc. The question is summarized in the title: How do you create a lasting and serious relationship when youโ€™re always traveling, having this crazy idea that you can change the world?

I remember a friend mentioned at a DN meetup that a โ€œdating site for DNโ€ would not work out exactly for the same โ€˜traveling natureโ€™ of DNs, but now thinking deeply about this, maybe Iโ€™m not the only one and such a site might provide some value.

What do you think? Thanks! :smile:

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So I was lucky enough to meet my SO before starting to travel, but having talked to lots of people it seems to be a matter of priorities.

If you actually want to find a committed serious relationship, in particular someone who you can travel with, you need to make that a priority. That might mean staying in a location for longer than usual. It can take a significant amount of time to know if a relationship can work.

Travelling for long periods of time is a dream for a lot of people, I think if you are getting stuck in a bubble and thinking the only person you can have a serious relationship with is another person currently nomading, I donโ€™t think you are giving people enough credit.

I donโ€™t think it would be that hard to stop in one location and start using a regular dating site.

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@maiahariton | 5yr

I was lucky enough to meet my husband while traveling in India and we both realized that becoming digital nomads/traveling was a passion we both shared.
I think that as long as you are upfront with the women that you meet and want to keep dating, it is possible. You could meet up with her each month or whatever makes sense for you but it has to be something you would both want to do.

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Thanks for the positive comments Nicholas. I absolutely hope to meet someone :relieved:

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As someone who has a happy healthy relationship and lives the nomadic life, I can attribute my success in finding a partner to a simple idea. Find someone who is also living the lifestyle. They donโ€™t need to be freelancers either. There are plenty of ppl abroad working in Ngos, education, business and gov. I would suggest not trying to change a non-nomad into one UNLESS that person travels extensively already and you happen to meet them abroad (I converted my partner who had been on a one year excapade around the world). Now she teaches English as a foreign language so we can be together. Good luck :smile:

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@bavals | 5yr

People everywhere are suffering from the same problems, you donโ€™t need to be a nomad to experience loneliness or trouble finding common ground / values with others. Plenty of my sedentary friends are singing the same tune.

For what itโ€™s worth, Iโ€™ve concluded that a lot of my friendships and even a handful of relationships, were tied โ€“ often indirectly โ€“ to this or that language course that I took. Often this works in rather convoluted ways: to use a real example, I met somebody in class 10 years ago, she had a boyfriend, I became friends with him too, and even though eventually they broke up and my former classmate moved to a different city, I stayed friends with the boyfriend; over the following few years I made several new friends through him (and โ€œreciprocatedโ€ by introducing him to someone heโ€™s now married to), etc etc. Scenarios change, but curiously, thereโ€™s often some language class as the โ€œseedโ€ of new friendships and even relationships, although I should emphasize that itโ€™s not necessarily the person you study with who becomes a long-term contact and social connector: often itโ€™s their friend or significant other.

To be honest, I am not sure whether this can be worked into a strategy of building your nomadic social life. The main problem with language classes (from the point of view of 30- and 40-somethings) is that they skew both too young and too old. There are plenty of 20-year-olds (or younger) who take them and a smaller but still significant number of retirees. Additionally, even when you do โ€œclickโ€ with someone and make plans to meet up later, in a different place, in most cases the connection fades over the next months.

But even with this disclaimer, one at least has to recognize that language classes do act as a very rough, preliminary filter: after all, a person who makes an effort to learn another countryโ€™s language (even if they are themselves not nomadic) could at least potentially understand the way you see the world and become your long-term contact, friend, and maybe even something else. Most โ€œnormalโ€ people, at least in anglo-speaking countries, have no interest whatsoever in learning languages.

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Good conversation. :slight_smile: I donโ€™t even travel as much as other nomads, but Iโ€™ve found that the life I want to live just doesnโ€™t seem to be one that others want to live with me. :frowning: And itโ€™s not just about โ€œok, who wants to live in another part of the world?โ€ but who is really compatible with me in terms of values (Iโ€™m a vegetarian, Christian, meditator, wanna-be world-changer, filmmaker-actress who wants to share these things with someone) as well. I meet men who have things in common, but then they have a job they canโ€™t leave, or children that tie them down, or theyโ€™re hippies who canโ€™t afford to go anywhereโ€ฆ or if I meet a travelerโ€ฆ we donโ€™t have anything else in common. I feel like Iโ€™m stuck in a choice of either 1. be free to do your own thing and move around, alone, or 2. find someone special and be tied to one place. Either way, I feel like Iโ€™m not living my life to itโ€™s full potential, and Iโ€™m stuck in a strange limbo. Grr.

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I hope this posts where I want it to! For some reason Iโ€™m very confused as to how to reply to people right now. :stuck_out_tongue:

I wouldnโ€™t want someone adding meat to the meals I cook for themโ€ฆ that would mean we donโ€™t share the same values. I donโ€™t want to be fighting for something that the person I live with isnโ€™t fighting with me for. :-/ I want it to be important to them, tooโ€ฆ

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@tpaktop | 5yr

I would say it is more about respect and understanding your partner than about trying to find the perfect match for your values.
We change over our lifetime and at some stage, your partner values might change too. Then perfect match will be gone.
I was in a relationship where I choose a partner to compliment myself, and that ruined the relationship at the end of the day. We actually had a plan to go DN together this year. However, I realised that was more my values forced onto my partner then what my partner really wanted.

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@madebygus | 5yr

I think we should meet someday, somewhere. Iโ€™m a traveller with something in common :stuck_out_tongue:

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@sarab | 5yr

Hey. I really simpathise with this โ€œproblemโ€ as I am experiencing it right now. I would go as far as to say that, for me, it is probably the toughest aspect of nomading (along with keeping fit and not letting the laziness take over). I also agree as someone else has said that I suspect I am more likely to meet someone whoโ€™s already nomading as opposed to someone who isnโ€™t or is in my home countries. but also, I find that this issue increases with age. all the difficulties of meeting people if not nomading and in your late 30s (as I am) or older are multiplied by nomading. just a fact of life I guess. but I am an optimist and also Iโ€™d rather be alone and nomading it than alone and not nomading :smile:

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@wanderingdev | 5yr

I agree that it gets hard to meet people as I get older. Iโ€™m in my early 40s and past the pub crawl stage in my life so meetings are more organic and less frequent.

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@stratigos | 5yr

I suppose what I would do, would be to get in touch with local nomad communities as I travel, and utilize online dating sites that have a โ€˜globalโ€™ (or at least, tech-centric) userbase, and advertise that Im looking for someone to digital-nomad-around-the-world with. Im sure there are some technologists out there that would love to give up their desk job and work with an experienced partner on some contract work in a nomadic fashion. Perhaps you can convince a potential partner you would assist with finding those first few contracts, and get the process started.

Global music festival scenes seem like a good place to meet a like minded partner, willing to hop around the world and work remotely. Iโ€™ve met people from various burning man camps at other festivals globally, whom are just traveling for fun in the long term. That sort of person might be a good candidate for a nomad partner.

Though, given the age we live in, and specifically, how most of the world is not adapted to nomadism, this sounds like a tough challenge indeed. I guess we all have to accept that we are in the minority, and that makes it more challenging to find a long term relationship that matches our lifestyle. High compatibility in all other relationship attributes, along with the ability / freedom to work nomadically, is not something I would expect. It sounds like a hope for the best (find your match!) and prepare for the worst (no one compatible) kind of situation.

Best of luck to ya.

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@lucha54 | 5yr

Hi OP, sorry if this sounds harsh but you are more likely to find your nomadic partner somewhere on the road than in your home country before you leave. If you have the courage to go nomadic on your own, you can meet up with other nomadic communities across the globe and find likeminded people, and maybe that special someone who will be your partner (maybe at first just for the next destination, and hopefully more if you really enjoy each othersโ€™ company!)

I live in Argentina (not Argentine just an expat) and in general, people from cultures like Arg and Mexico just do not understand the traveling lifestyle and why anyone would want this (more than a few weeks of vacation a year and never solo). Sure, there are a few nomadic Argies and Mexicans around the globe but there is something in the cultural fabric that tells most people to just conform and live the stationary life in or near your hometown where you can have the unending support of family and the same friends you grew up with. Being different is not as celebrated as in Europe and America (where individualism also has its downsides, donโ€™t get me wrong) but in Latin America I think itโ€™s much harder to break out of that mold and so my only advice would be not to expect people there to understand your urge to travel and not to expect to find a Mexican girl who wants to do it with you. Maybe youโ€™ll meet a good potential DN partner on a site like this one or somewhere out there, but itโ€™s not likely youโ€™ll meet her where you are at the moment.

I donโ€™t mean to rag on Mexican women or Latin people in general, I just speak from my own experience living in Latin America and learning about the cultural norms and hearing people reacting to my ideas and lifestyle choicesโ€ฆ hopefully you understand!

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@oskar | 5yr

@lucha54
Hmm, Iโ€™m from latin america and i find your comment not entirely true. Havenโ€™t you thought about that maybe in latin america, besides having strong ties with family, there are less opportunities and people have less money to travel abroad? Not to mention the issues with passport documents and visas. Low cost carriers dont exist, few people speak a second language, i could go on and on and onโ€ฆ
People from the first world take everything for granted it seemsโ€ฆ

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@lucha54 | 5yr

Hi @Oskar, you make some really good points and I appreciate the constructive criticism of my argument. There are less opportunities if youโ€™re not proficient in English and maybe donโ€™t have a foreign bank account - in Argentinaโ€™s case anyway; maybe for those from other countries, Paypal works well for them to get paid if they work freelance for remote companies, I donโ€™t know. I often hear people again and again who have great-English language skills, smart, well-educated, resourceful, and with foreign bank accounts (from that time they worked a ski season in the US or whatever), saying โ€œI could never do thatโ€ or โ€œare you nuts? Youโ€™re traveling ALONE?!โ€ so I am just speaking from my personal experience in thinking that the biggest hurdle is the mindset, and a culture that does not lend itself to mindset changes or big paradigm shifts.

That being said, Iโ€™m starting to see more and more Latino travel bloggers (from Chile, Brazil, and some other countries) and Iโ€™m not sure if they are just lucky and maybe already had money, a second passport and a supportive community, but there are people making it work despite having bigger hurtles than us Anglo/European folks.

Low cost carriers donโ€™t exist in the region but I subscribe to several flight promo newsletters and there are (relatively) cheap ways to get out of Latin America and go to places where low-cost carriers do exist and visa regulations for Latinos are not as tight. I could go on and on tooโ€ฆ just wanted to show the other side of the story from my perspective. And I wanted to urge the Mexican OP not to expect to find a Mexican woman in his home city who shares the dream of this lifestyle because the proportion is probably quite low for all the reasons we have already discussed.

Thanks for your reply; I appreciate the dialogue!!

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@oskar | 5yr

Again you are showing your first world mental map :smile:
ALONE is a word that screams for, โ€œare you kidding me, are you going to travel alone? that is soooo dangerous!โ€. Of course if you are from latin america you will think like that, as you are part of one of the most dangerous regions in the world, if not the most. Society in Latin America is divided mostly in haves and haves not. Countries that had and maybe still have a sizable middle class sector like Argentina and Uruguay are now struggling to keep these people afloat. As you may have noticed in Argentina poverty has increased leaps and bounds, dont expect anything better in other latin american countries. As for rich latin american kids they will always prefer to be comfortable in their local bubbles, its just a different mindset. Europe has a stronger middle class with better opportunities and more money so its another reality that is unthinkable for the common latinamerican person. Iโ€™m now in London and i will stay here until the end of the month when i have to go back to Uruguay for the summer where i reside. Iโ€™m not the typical third world fellow , lucky me, so i can do what most first world nomads can do, hehe just my two cents :smile:

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@lucha54 | 5yr

All very good points you make, Oskar. Sometimes I wonder though, is the scarcity mentality created by the circumstances or does it perpetuate the circumstances? Iโ€™m sure youโ€™re familiar with the โ€˜viveza criollaโ€™ (sharp cunning) of the Argentine personality which perpetuates a dog-eat-dog environment, but you could also argue that it goes it reverseโ€ฆ What do I knowโ€ฆ A big sector of the US population also lives in poverty and has the same mentality, just relatively and proportionately itโ€™s not so bad on the whole.
Interesting you mentioned the increase in poverty because I just saw this article this morning (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-04/here-s-the-real-legacy-of-the-kirchners-in-argentina) and was surprised by the statistics saying it had decreased. Maybe itโ€™s not accurate โ€ฆ I donโ€™t know.

Weโ€™ve really gone off the original topic so for anyone reading this who is uninterested, my sincerest apologies!

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@oskar | 5yr

@lucha54
You are right, we have really gone off topic :smile:
I will send you a personal message answering your questions.

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@tangovagabond | 5yr

@lucha54 @Oskar -
Actually, there is a connection thatโ€™s not obviousโ€ฆ scarcity mentality, Latin America and dating nomadsโ€ฆ in the end itโ€™s all about fear.

While itโ€™s easier to judge others for not having the same mindset - "canโ€™t they understand wanting to make an impact, canโ€™t they see the abundance in the world, etcโ€ฆ it is easier to do so when itโ€™s not you.

After 2โ€ฆ 3 relationships (most recent only made it to parting ways the next day vs. previous lasting a year+ long-distanceโ€ฆ) I realized my โ€œwhyโ€ was not wanting my work to choose where I lived ever again.

Unlike how things are neatly wrapped up in 90 minutes to 2 hours for movies, itโ€™s taking me a lot longer, and Iโ€™m only starting to see possibility.

But my main point is that it took willingness to face fears - to do what no one I knew around me did. Only recently, I started to find others who understand what Iโ€™ve been trying to do for so long.

Whether itโ€™s Latin America, Eastern Europe or Asia, we all know how there are cultural ways and thereโ€™s individuals. Sometimes it takes someone willing to step outside of the current and go another direction. But most times this is easier said than done.

Some might say that digital nomads are a different breed. They probably said this about gypsies or other wanderers throughout history. But the technology that allows us to work anywhere and connects us also creates unique challenges for finding kindred spirits. Itโ€™s that paradox of choice - more freedom can sometimes be both blessing and curse.

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@jakeberger | 5yr

My previous girlfriend is artsy as ever:

  • semi-vegetarian
  • photographer
  • opera singer
  • belly dancer
  • captivating storyteller
  • fly-by-the-seat-of-her-pants

Meโ€ฆ Iโ€™m the total opposite. Analytical and calculating. Monotonic at times.

Didnโ€™t matter. We clicked and thatโ€™s all that matters. I can meditate in my own time. She can cook her vegetarian stuff and I can add meat to my part. I wouldnโ€™t want to change who she is. All of that is what attracted me to her in the first place.

I used to have the same mindset. But, looking at it objectively, itโ€™s a characteristic. Thatโ€™s how any characteristic is. It usually creates some kind of imbalance. Iโ€™ve discovered how to regain that balance is by developing or increasing skills in other areas.

Totally agree. Iโ€™m completely upfront with any girl I meet, โ€œIโ€™m for sure going back to Europe sometime after mid-February.โ€ If you canโ€™t be honest from the start, it doesnโ€™t look like a bright future.

What is too young and too old โ€“ what does that even mean? Seems like a mindset issue. Iโ€™m 28 and have had no issues connecting with age range from 18 to 39 year-olds.

I hadnโ€™t seen a girl in almost 2 years and we were able to re-connect almost instantly.

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@kathrynoh | 5yr

Iโ€™m not that concerned with finding a relationship but I think there are two factors at work. The first, obviously, is the travel life style that isnโ€™t going to suit everyone. But even if you stay put, if you have values and a lifestyle outside of the norm, the dating pool gets a lot smaller.

In Australia, it feels like the majority of people want to get married, have kids, buy a house and then go through a continuous cycle of renovating that house!

I guess the upside is that, even though itโ€™s more challenging to find someone, if you do, you will have a much more satisfying relationship than if you just settled โ€“ the same as not settling for a job, location or any other aspect of life, I guess :smile:

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@kittytana | 5yr

There would be no point of living if I donโ€™t believe that I can have anything I want. Depending on how much I want it and what Iโ€™m willing to do to have it. If Iโ€™m not getting what I want, itโ€™s because Iโ€™m not doing something right. So the power is within me to fix it to get what I want. I want it all and I aim for it all :smiley:

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@sadokx | 5yr

@andrewkent Iโ€™m an optimist by heart so I gotta say you CAN have it all. Within reason of course. Iโ€™ve seen couples traveling so why not me? Iโ€™ve seen billionaires too so why not me? Of course, I need to take action :slight_smile: And this post is essentially one path of action - reaching out and asking other fellow travelers and entrepreneurs.

I do agree on the โ€œThatโ€™s part of the deal we make ourselvesโ€. I knew from the start it was a lonely journey, but maybe it doesnโ€™t have to be like that - ergo the DateANomad site.

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@andrewkent | 5yr

I donโ€™t mean to be crass and cynical, but in life, you canโ€™t have it all. I know thatโ€™s incredibly obvious, but sometimes we need to be reminded of that.

You make decisions and stick with them. Thatโ€™s the only way youโ€™ll ever achieve anything meaningful, in business and in relationships.

Iโ€™m not saying you canโ€™t have both, but I think you need to be a little more realistic with your expectations. Most people arenโ€™t cut out for this life. The very nature of living your life one WiFi hotspot at a time is antithetical to stable, long-term relationships. Thatโ€™s part of the deal we make with ourselves.

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@flowen | 5yr

awesome @sadok_ycr ! Iโ€™ve sent you a PM so check it out

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@sadokx | 5yr

@flowen Well as a UI and UX designer I have to say that a lot of the weight goes down to the user experience on the site. I would love to contribute and make the site look more engaging and appealing, making the users come back and interact, and improving the overall UX. Let me know if youโ€™re up for it :smile:

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@pau | 5yr

Honestly? I think the only serious relationship i would be able to have would be with a digital nomad lady, but iโ€™ve never met her(: Nowadays i live every few months in several places and this is the amount of time I spend with a girlโ€ฆ I donโ€™t want to sound selfish, but my priority is to keep growing my business and seeing the world, so this is the hardest part to leave a place every few months, knowing that you have to end something beautyful. Still I feel my desires to grow are related on keep moving and seeing more parts of the world, build new relationships and so on.
This is a hard topic :stuck_out_tongue:

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@dhamm | 5yr

@flowen Wow, over 1000 members? I signed up a while back but never looked at it again because I was thinking most of the profiles were fake/filler. It would be great if you made this site more functional/accessible. As @sadok_ycr said, Iโ€™d be happy to help with any backend work.

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@sadokx | 5yr

Hey flowen,

That site looks interesting! I was disappointed to see that most profiles are kinda empty. And that most of them donโ€™t have pictures. You should make the profile pic accessible at full size, and maybe find a way to kickstart the community into actually filling profiles? Itโ€™s a great start.

Iโ€™m a designer so hmu if I can help. Iโ€™d live to contribute to make this a great site!

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@flowen | 5yr

@sadok_ycr yeah thatโ€™s what I meant with people that were just curious. Iโ€™m struggling with getting people to complete their profile, now sure how to motivate and get them to do it. Those who did, they are definitely more serious about finding a relationship with another DN.

@highhermitage There should be no fake profiles afaik. So all are available to message :wink: Do you have experience with Meteor? Could really use the help.

@Munly_Leong Never said it was related, it was a reply to sadok

@pau certainly, the DN community is still so small. But theyโ€™ll come :smile:

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@flowen | 5yr

Very interesting topic. First of all, wether youโ€™re talking about that stigma or not, remember: digital nomads are a real niche. Second, there simply arenโ€™t that many people with a burning desire to create a better world. Not because they donโ€™t want too but often they think they canโ€™t or are stuck in the โ€˜rat raceโ€™. They donโ€™t see opportunities and often think a digital nomad lifestyle is just for those few fortunate ones. Third, most people still see traveling as a way tourists do. Hop in and hop out.

Little plug: I created the site @wanderingdev mentioned: http://dateanomad.net

Itโ€™s a simple site with over a 1000 members, you can find and message anyone. Though you gotta browse a bit as I believe many are mainly curious, heard of the lifestyle but arenโ€™t an actual DN. Besides that, I feel itโ€™s basically what @wanderingdev sums up.

And yes, I know, I really have to work on that site :sweat_smile:

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@munly_leong | 5yr

Well apologies in advance for the possible derailment coming in, but what does making the world a better place have to do with being a nomad? if anything nomads are often arbitragers. I know thatโ€™s mostly a case for me at least initially.

The only area I see this going into โ€œcreating a better worldโ€ is if more people managed to create more companies that live this way sustainably and more people come along for the ride lol

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@sadokx | 5yr

@Munly_Leong

I said impacting the world, not making it a better place, thereโ€™s a huge difference. Creating value for a lot of people is basically what Iโ€™m saying, and its a mentality thatโ€™s hard to come around.

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@munly_leong | 5yr

hahaha Iโ€™m the other way. In part what is driving me to become location independent is that I need to do so in order to have a shot at one. There are girls that have been waiting too long for me and at the same time if anythingโ€™s going to go on, I need to get them location independent too. Given that most are in jobs that arenโ€™t a big deal to walk away from or replace, it wonโ€™t be terribly hard.

I do know the places I want to settle and for any of us to move there essentially being location independent would help rather than hinder since youโ€™re not going to be dependent on being able to get a job before you move or once you get there.

Itโ€™s a beautiful thing to be travelling together though for those that have managed to pull it off. Iโ€™ve travelled too much on my own as it is.

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@wanderingdev | 5yr

Relationships, particularly romantic ones, are challenging in general and only made harder by being a nomad. There has been a lot of discussion about it in the relationships channel on the #nomads slack group. There is at least one dating site dedicated to nomads and I suspect @levelsio has something brewing in his brain.

There is also a single digital nomads Facebook group that is pretty quiet but has occasional good convos. Itโ€™s good to talk about with other like minded people to see what their perspectives are. Some people would only get involved with another nomad, some would stop nomading and settle down for the right person. Others would land somewhere in the middle. Only you know what you would do and, I suspect, youโ€™ll only know it when you find a person that really makes you think about it. Until then, all the planning in the world is just theoretical.

My personal opinion is that nomads are more likely to find someone to have a relationship with while theyโ€™re nomading than when theyโ€™re in their home countries.

Take heart from the many nomading couples that it can happen and work. :slight_smile:

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Hi guys ! hope you are doing well.

I would love to get your feedback regarding the best insurance for digital nomads. i'm traveling around Asia since 1 year and for next 4 or 5 years. Would love to buy an insurance to cover especially :

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Any Ph.D students dissertating while a digital nomad?


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Anyone know of any groups or resources for Ph.D. students working on dissertation while living as a digital nomad? I know there are several virtual writing groups around, but wondered if there were any specifically for digital nomads, particularly those who are dissertating.

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Does international health insurance for digital nomads exist?

 

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Hey Nomads!

Iโ€™m looking for an international health insurance (no travel insurance) for my nomadic life. It should cover the basic services and at least be accepted in the EU (itโ€™s ok if itโ€™s not accepted in the US as Iโ€™m aware they rarely are). Nice to have: enter into a contract online. Anyone got a good experience or a recommendation?

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I have finally saved enough money to start investing. What company gives good, diversified access to stock, ETFs and mutual funds? Does it make sense to use company like Vanguard or Fidelity for that? Iโ€™m a EU/Poland citizen, how would I transfer my money back and forth without incurring significant fees?

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I dream of being a digital nomad? How do I do it?


by @programmingmark | 6mo 5 months ago | 2 comments

Hello digital nomad!

I dream of being an independent digital nomad. But it feels very elusive & unattainable with my success rate. In full disclosure, whilst I have dreamed about making money online since high school; I have not earned a single cent making money online. $0, nada, zilch!! On the contrary, I have spent a lot of time & money on books, podcasts. Even though I have spent a lot of time reading/listening to others, I do not have anything to show for it!

I have made attempts in the past to start an online business, but these fizzle out quite quickly when I do not see traction especially when the goal I have set myself is too high.

Instead of reaching for the ultimate nomadic lifestyle goal, I want to start much smaller. Really small! I am simply looking to make $50 profit per month from a new online business. Thatโ€™s it.

I need some advice from you please!

  • Is $50 profit too low? How long did it take you to earn $50 profit per month?

  • What is a good way of achieving this goal?

Thanks
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aka the $0 online business entrepreneur

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by @rodriigovieira | 6mo 6 months ago | 19 comments

Hello everyone! Iโ€™m new here and probably this is a very newbie question, but it doesnโ€™t leave my head.

How do you, nomads, pay your taxes? I mean, if youโ€™re constantly traveling, how are you going to pay taxes for a certain country if you are going to stay there a short period of time?
Or do you return to your โ€œoriginal countryโ€ and then pay them?

By the way, this forum has very nice cool formatting features! :smile:

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by @rose_davis | 8mo 8 months ago | 7 comments

Hi!

I am planning to move to Latin America for 3-4 months (Oct-January). Iโ€™ve narrowed down 6 different places that I want to visit before committing to settling down, but Iโ€™d love to get some community input.

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How do we solve housing for digital nomads?

 

by @levelsio | 9mo 8 months ago | 61 comments

Thereโ€™s been a lot of discussion on this recently.

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Iโ€™ve heard people suggest getting funding and building a network of houses you can stay at for a subscription price (e.g. Bruno Haid is working on that).

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Hi all, I was looking for a cool spot in Southern Europe for winter and Iโ€™m considering Sicilyโ€ฆ Have you ever been there? If yes, how was your experience? If not, why?
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in Bari, Italy by @mitch_dina | 10mo 10 months ago | 7 comments

Greetings!
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How is Mauritius for digital nomads?


in Mauritius by @wakkos | 11mo 11 months ago | 14 comments

Hello all,

Iโ€™m planning on spending a couple of month in Mauritius Island and even when Iโ€™ve been there for a week, never rented or worked there.

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Hey all:

Does anyone here have any experience attending a full time fitness bootcamp or a fitness resort while working? I know there is one in Cambodia for digital nomads (Fitness Retreat Resort Kep Gym), unfortunately the time difference vs my work schedule would make my life suck if I tried to go there. Iโ€™m looking for a place between US and Europe timezones that lets you live with them, kicks your butt with fitness, but would also have good WiFi/accommodate working eight hours a day. Iโ€™m also open to other tangential ideas for something close-ish to get that same experience.

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Best place to set up a company selling digital services?


by @pras_k | 12mo 11 months ago | 10 comments

Whatโ€™s the best place?
For residency Iโ€™m looking at Portugal and they have the NHR (non habitual resident) program which would exempt dividends from foreign income.
So all Iโ€™m really looking for is the best place to actually start the company.
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Hong Kong
Corporate tax rate of 16.5% (8.25% for the first HK$2 million)
โŠ•/โŠ– offshore income from outside HK is exempt from taxation but itโ€™s not clear whether this can be done in the first year and prorated or if itโ€™s only through filing the offshore exemption claim. This might take two years and requires not income from HK at all. More info on that would be great
โŠ– seems very difficult to get a business bank account
โŠ– necessary services and fees are roughly around โ‚ฌ2000 / year
โŠ– accounting requirements seem to be very strict
โŠ• Doesnโ€™t require local partner
โŠ• Agencies available that seem to handle most of the work

Singapore
Corporate tax rate of 17% (0% on the first S$100k, 8.5% up to S$300k)
โŠ– requires a local director. What are the implications of this?

Malta
Corporate tax rate of 35%
There is the โ€œfull imputation systemโ€ but I donโ€™t really understand it.
"In most cases, the tax refund to the shareholder is 6/7 of the tax paid by the company on profits distributed as dividends. The tax refund rate may be different in the following cases: " This would result in an effective corporate tax of around 5%.
โŠ– European customers would have to pay VAT and Iโ€™d have to deal with that

Cyprus
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โŠ– European customers would have to pay VAT and Iโ€™d have to deal with that
โŠ– requires staying in Cyprus for 2 months / year

I find it surprising how much research this requires and how much โ€œit dependsโ€ information is out there when Iโ€™d assume that there are probably thousands of digital nomads who probably have very similar requirements.

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Do you "out" yourself as a digital nomad?


by @larsheather | 1yr 1 year ago | 2 comments

When you meet new people or reconnect with old friends, do you โ€œoutโ€ yourself as a digital nomad? The simple question โ€œwhere do you live?โ€ makes us uncertain now. We wonder if some places may be less welcoming to digital nomads, or if โ€œdigital nomadโ€ has a negative connotation in some places. If you are forthcoming from the start, does your status as a digital nomad make it hard to form friendships?

We would love to hear how other people navigate thisโ€ฆ how to balance being authentic in relationships vs. withholding the context (and allowing people to assume youโ€™re on vacation, for example).

Thanks!

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Property Ownership - should digital nomads buy properties?


by @sparrow_23 | 1yr 1 year ago | 16 comments

I have been a digital nomad for the last couple of years. I have always worked in tech and now run a couple of profitable online businesses that give me a reliable income and allow me to fund a nomadic lifestyle.

I recently exited one of my businesses and I am considering to invest the income from the sale in properties, mainly for 2 reasons:

a) I donโ€™t want to keep wasting my money in renting apartments across the cities I stay

b) I believe in properties as investment and I want to diversify my investment portfolio (mainly stocks)

After years of constant wander from one place to another, now I am the type of digital nomad who sticks to few locations: I mainly rotate across 4 places each year (San Francisco, Medellin, Berlin, Bali). Buying a house in each of those location would be difficult and too expensive. Therefore, I was wondering if there was any sort of service that combines an investment opportunity with the ability to access different properties around the world (even if just for a limited time per year) ?

Imagine living in 4 cities per year and having a house in each place that you can exclusively use for 3 months and at the same time having your investment growing (this depending on the market, of course). Wouldnโ€™t that be great? I believe it could be done via a property fund selling you a share and giving you access to some of their properties for a limited timeframe each year.

Has anyone heard of anything like that?

Thanks!

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What's the best bank account for a global nomad?

 

by @barrybjjoubert | 1yr 1 year ago | 25 comments

Dear all
As a wanna be nomad figuring out a way to get free of the rat race, I was wondering what is the best bank account to have while travelling the globe? I need an account where is easy for me to receive payments from all over the world and it also need to be a bank that I can find almost anywhere in the world. I want to avoid carry cash on me if itโ€™s possible.

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Ko Lanta or Ko Phangan - which island is better for a digital nomad?


in Ko Lanta, Thailand by @melinda | 1yr 1 year ago | 6 comments

Iโ€™m currently in Penang, Malaysia and I was thinking to head to Thailand next. What are the best islands in Thailand to get some work done? I was considering either Ko Lanta or Ko Phangan because those both islands have coworking spaces. I might need to take some client calls, also video. Is the wifi good enough? Are there any other differences between the islands?

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Do any digital nomads travely solely by motorcycle?


by @fraserdeans | 1yr 1 year ago | 10 comments

Last summer I spent some time travelling through Thailand and Cambodia and jumped on mopeds to get around. I fell in love with them, the freedom, the ability to get off the tourist trail and see areas of a country not written about in tour books.

Recently a friend of mine cycled from London through Western Europe down to Morocco. His journey, stories and photo blog have all inspired me to see Europe by road rather than missing it all by plane.

Iโ€™ve been encouraged to do the same longer term through Europe. Next month Iโ€™m heading off to Spain to start that journey.

I was wondering if any nomads here are on similar journeys? Does anyone motorcycle between cities setting up to work for a couple weeks then moving on?

If so, have you got any advice/tips for someone just starting that journey?

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Where should I register my company as a digital nomad? Singapore, Hong Kong?


in Singapore by @raphadk | 1yr 1 year ago | 14 comments

Hey guys, hereโ€™s a question Iโ€™ve been asking nomads I meet everywhere, but still havenโ€™t found good information. My startups mostly focus on american and european markets but I donโ€™t have a registered company, nor I live permanently on any of these countries.

I get the cash payments online in paypal (or adsense) and transfer it to Thailand (or Malaysia, or Bali, or Brazil, or wherever Iโ€™m at). The thing isโ€ฆ for low volume living expenses it seems fine, but as I scale the business, Iโ€™m starting to think more and more about fiscal law.

A fellow nomad told me to transfer it to Singapore, Hong Kong or The Virgin Islands, and then use an international credit card anywhere. I donโ€™t know if itโ€™s the best way to optimize thisโ€ฆ any ideas?

Also, could there be any problems in selling to these countries without a registered local company?

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Best online Bank for Digital Nomads


by @nilanjan | 2yr 2 years ago | 0 comments

Hi All,
Can you suggest a cheap but reliable online Bank for Nomads?
What I meant by " cheap" is decent " service charges".

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