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How do you invest internationally as a nomad?


by @mateuszwieloch | 5yr  | 17 comments

I have finally saved enough money to start investing. What company gives good, diversified access to stock, ETFs and mutual funds? Does it make sense to use company like Vanguard or Fidelity for that? Iโ€™m a EU/Poland citizen, how would I transfer my money back and forth without incurring significant fees?

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@eljaques | 4mo

For me itโ€™s more the 800 questions. Why donโ€™t you live in your country of citizenship? Why do you have a US number then? (decent internet SMS service) Whereโ€™s your utility bill? Why is the funding coming from an account in x-country? On and on and on.

Itโ€™s like โ€ฆ are we living in 1980 still? Next theyโ€™ll freak out when they discover that thereโ€™s a thing called โ€œairportsโ€. :smiley:

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@kaspernikolaj | 5mo

If you need to just move money around without getting hit with large costsโ€ฆ I use Transferwise.

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@eljaques | 5mo

This also a topic for me. How do you guys deal with the โ€œproof of addressโ€ fun times?

Also any updates to this, favorite brokers?

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@tomchentw | 2yr

For non-US citizens, open a brokerage account with Firstrade or Charles Schwab and invest in global targets ETFs (like VT, SCHF) or US targets ETFs (like VTI, SCHB)

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@naz | 2yr

Hey! Iโ€™m also a legal resident of Poland and have been looking into ETF solutions lately. Was wandering which fund did you go with in the end?

Personally only own some stocks in US company (bought it directly as it was my employer) and went with AirBnB setup in Krakow. But now looking into something else then property investment, as that tends to take up time even when outsourcing management to somebody else.

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@cognitr0n | 5yr

A little off topic, but thought Iโ€™d mention a couple books that nomads interested in international investing might find interesting: Investment Biker and Adventure Capitalist by Jim Rogers.

Basically he rides a motorcycle around the world (then drives a car) and itโ€™s a combination of travel and his investment analysis of the countries he travels through.

The books are very dated now, but the interesting part is the thought process anyway. He hasnโ€™t been right about everything, but he retired from fund management at 39 as a billionaire, so he must have been doing something right.

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Youโ€™re already a nomad, why not consider making international investments?

Being from Poland, there are great real estate investment opportunities in your own country and if youโ€™re open to traveling, countries like Cambodia and Colombia offer great property returns as well.

Even just opening a bank account in a country like Mongolia can give you 10% returns.

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@flyonthewall | 5yr

I use Interactive brokers, they are by far the cheapest and most flexible online solution. You also get patched into an incredible forex market and the fees are very low because their fees are mostly structured for huge fund houses but they donโ€™t have separate tiers for small fry like me. Thus my fees per big trade end up being very less.

I also use Saxo Capital Markets from the UK just for not having all my money with one broker. Their fees are higher and the available number of symbols is smaller.

But with both you can trade on a wide array of markets (US, Amsterdam, London, Hong Kong, Singapore, etc.). And you can also convert currencies.

Account opening is pretty easy and can be done remotely.

I mostly own Vanguard ETFs in Europe (Amsterdam and London stock markets) through them. This is to avoid issues with the US Estate Tax in the future (investments above $60k) and trading through Vanguard Ireland gives me just 15% dividend withhold vs the 30% I would normally get. (The US IRS does this to everyone =/)

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@ibobriakov | 5yr

There is this http://www.etoro.com/ thing, which seem to allow making investments quite easily. But I not yet tested it on real money, so cannot say anything more precise yet.

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@manu | 5yr

Investing is still important. Low-cost ETFs in a jurisdiction without capital gains tax or withholding tax are the best starting point. Some geographic diversification and a small emergency fund in gold coins also helps.

Vanguard is usually the cheapest, but itโ€™s not available everywhere.

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@mateuszwieloch | 5yr

Thank you @normaldude. Thatโ€™s an excellent starting point for the information Iโ€™ve been looking for!

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@normaldude | 5yr

Here are some portals that list some offshore brokersโ€ฆ

TD Direct Luxembourg might work for you, since itโ€™s geared towards expats & cross-border investing.

Keep in mind that if youโ€™re a non-US person (no US citizenship, no US permanent residency), then you should stay completely out of the US market (for reason stated below). Stick to non-US based accounts, and only invest in NON-US-domiciled funds (like the Vanguard index funds domiciled in Ireland) and NON-US-domiciled ETFs (like the ones listed in London, domiciled in Ireland).

If a non-US citizen / non-US person invests in US-domiciled funds & ETFs (like BND, VTI, VEU/VXUS), then if they die, the US government will impose a brutal estate tax of up to 40% on amounts over $60,000.

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@mateuszwieloch | 5yr

The more I think about it, the more I believe that my original question should have been โ€œhow to transfer money around the world without paying ridiculous feesโ€

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@normaldude | 5yr

[quote=โ€œmateuszwieloch, post:4, topic:2772, full:trueโ€]
The more I think about it, the more I believe that my original question should have been โ€œhow to transfer money around the world without paying ridiculous feesโ€[/quote]

Currency transfer companies may charge 0.50% - 1.00% premium over spot rate. Some of the bigger ones areโ€ฆ

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I would stay away from mutual funds unless you really do your research. Vanguard on the other hand has some incredible ETFs. VTI is great.

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@wanderingdev | 5yr

Why? Iโ€™m curious to know your reasoning for this considering that most ETFs are very similar to MFs. For example, VTI and VTSMX. The most significant is that ETFs are traded like stocks which can either be an advantage or disadvantage depending on your investment style and needs.

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@wanderingdev | 5yr

I use Vanguard for most of my investments but Iโ€™m a US citizen. You might do better to open with an EU brokerage company. Just watch out for trading fees.

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Any Ph.D students dissertating while a digital nomad?


by @larsheather | 4mo 3 months ago | 5 comments

Anyone know of any groups or resources for Ph.D. students working on dissertation while living as a digital nomad? I know there are several virtual writing groups around, but wondered if there were any specifically for digital nomads, particularly those who are dissertating.

Thanks!

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How do you deal with โ€œproof of addressโ€ for banking and investing and other random stuff?


by @eljaques | 4mo 4 months ago | 6 comments

How do you guys deal with the dreaded โ€œproof of addressโ€ for banking and investing and other random stuff?

I donโ€™ have the option to have a family member do this for me, sadly (not wanting to use that country as residence for tax implications).

This has to be a pretty regular problem for most who arenโ€™t doing the old timey โ€œlive in one place and pay bills there foreverโ€ thing. Suggestions? Services? Hacks? Workarounds?

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What investment options are open to e-resident?


by @64tankman | 5mo 4 months ago | 1 comment

I know from experience that if you have residential status in countries where IG (a broker) serves, you can buy stocks and other assets through this broker. But I wonder what doors to the stock market, asset market or broker can be unlocked with e-residency? Some banks open a terminal for customers to buy assets overseas too, is one of the e-residency friendly bank offering a good portfolio of assets to invest in?

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I dream of being a digital nomad? How do I do it?


by @programmingmark | 5mo 4 months ago | 2 comments

Hello digital nomad!

I dream of being an independent digital nomad. But it feels very elusive & unattainable with my success rate. In full disclosure, whilst I have dreamed about making money online since high school; I have not earned a single cent making money online. $0, nada, zilch!! On the contrary, I have spent a lot of time & money on books, podcasts. Even though I have spent a lot of time reading/listening to others, I do not have anything to show for it!

I have made attempts in the past to start an online business, but these fizzle out quite quickly when I do not see traction especially when the goal I have set myself is too high.

Instead of reaching for the ultimate nomadic lifestyle goal, I want to start much smaller. Really small! I am simply looking to make $50 profit per month from a new online business. Thatโ€™s it.

I need some advice from you please!

  • Is $50 profit too low? How long did it take you to earn $50 profit per month?

  • What is a good way of achieving this goal?

Thanks
Mark
aka the $0 online business entrepreneur

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Do you "out" yourself as a digital nomad?


by @larsheather | 11mo 11 months ago | 2 comments

When you meet new people or reconnect with old friends, do you โ€œoutโ€ yourself as a digital nomad? The simple question โ€œwhere do you live?โ€ makes us uncertain now. We wonder if some places may be less welcoming to digital nomads, or if โ€œdigital nomadโ€ has a negative connotation in some places. If you are forthcoming from the start, does your status as a digital nomad make it hard to form friendships?

We would love to hear how other people navigate thisโ€ฆ how to balance being authentic in relationships vs. withholding the context (and allowing people to assume youโ€™re on vacation, for example).

Thanks!

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What's the best bank account for a global nomad?

 

by @barrybjjoubert | 1yr 1 year ago | 25 comments

Dear all
As a wanna be nomad figuring out a way to get free of the rat race, I was wondering what is the best bank account to have while travelling the globe? I need an account where is easy for me to receive payments from all over the world and it also need to be a bank that I can find almost anywhere in the world. I want to avoid carry cash on me if itโ€™s possible.

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Ko Lanta or Ko Phangan - which island is better for a digital nomad?


in Ko Lanta, Thailand by @melinda | 1yr 1 year ago | 6 comments

Iโ€™m currently in Penang, Malaysia and I was thinking to head to Thailand next. What are the best islands in Thailand to get some work done? I was considering either Ko Lanta or Ko Phangan because those both islands have coworking spaces. I might need to take some client calls, also video. Is the wifi good enough? Are there any other differences between the islands?

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Where should I register my company as a digital nomad? Singapore, Hong Kong?


in Singapore by @raphadk | 1yr 1 year ago | 14 comments

Hey guys, hereโ€™s a question Iโ€™ve been asking nomads I meet everywhere, but still havenโ€™t found good information. My startups mostly focus on american and european markets but I donโ€™t have a registered company, nor I live permanently on any of these countries.

I get the cash payments online in paypal (or adsense) and transfer it to Thailand (or Malaysia, or Bali, or Brazil, or wherever Iโ€™m at). The thing isโ€ฆ for low volume living expenses it seems fine, but as I scale the business, Iโ€™m starting to think more and more about fiscal law.

A fellow nomad told me to transfer it to Singapore, Hong Kong or The Virgin Islands, and then use an international credit card anywhere. I donโ€™t know if itโ€™s the best way to optimize thisโ€ฆ any ideas?

Also, could there be any problems in selling to these countries without a registered local company?

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Where to stay in Budapest as a digital nomad?


in Budapest, Hungary by @pparma | 2yr 2 years ago | 2 comments

HI, Iโ€™m from Argentina: new to Nomad List, and to digital nomad life in general :slight_smile:

I want to travel to Budapest on March for two months, can anyone recommend
the best area to stay?

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How do you receive physical mail as a digital nomad?

 

by @danielgenser | 2yr 2 years ago | 81 comments

Does anyone have recommendations to handle physical mail? In the USA, Iโ€™ve noticed various services over the years where you get a physical address that you can change your address to, they receive your mail, scan stuff and send you PDFโ€™s.

Has anyone used these types of services? Impressions?

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How to become a digital nomad?


by @levelsio | 2yr 2 years ago | 1 comment

Hereโ€™s a sticky guide that Iโ€™ll keep updating with a clear path towards becoming a digital nomad as this is one of the most common questions asked.

MONEY
Get a remote job
Remote jobs aggregator :point_right: https://remoteok.io
Work From Home aggregator :point_right: https://wfh.io

Become a remote freelancer
Remote freelance agency :point_right: https://toptal.com
Another remote freelance agency :point_right: https://x-team.com

Build a remote business
???

PLACES
Find destinations to go :point_right: https://nomadlist.com/cities
Travel guides :point_right: https://wikivoyage.org
Travel guides (for SEA) :point_right: https://travelfish.org
Research cost of living :point_right: https://numbeo.com

Places to Work :point_right: http://placestowork.net
Coffee places to work :point_right: http://workfrom.co

GEAR
Packing list :point_right: http://www.carryology.com/insights/insights-1/packing-list-of-a-digital-nomad/
Nomad List #gear channel :point_right: https://nomadlist.com/chat/_gear
Nomad List Gear :point_right: https://nomadlist.com/gear
SIM cards :point_right: http://prepaid-data-sim-card.wikia.com/wiki/Prepaid_SIM_with_data

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How do you manage your money as a nomad?


by @visualista | 3yr 2 years ago | 2 comments

Hi, let me start by saying iโ€™m an idiot when it comes to these things. I know all the infos are out there and Iโ€™ve been reading posts here as well as googling lots of blogs to find answers but there are just so many details and personal aspects that it leaves me dizzy! Iโ€™m hoping for a kind soul to share his/her wisdom with me in simple words. Bear with me while I try to wrap my head around this:

I NEED: 1. to be able to get payed by international customers in Dollars and Euros mostly 2. A way to get to that money with a debit/credit card for online payments and ATMโ€™s in whatever local currency needed (thinking of heading to Bali next)

I AM: newly nomadic designer working with platforms like 99designs and upwork as well as some direct clients. I have swiss citizenship, but am no longer resident there, or anywhere else.

I HAVE: 1. A swiss bank account (UBS) with CHF and no credit card (for savings not to be touched). 2. A spanish bank account (Deutsche Bank) with EUR with a debit and credit card for backup money. 3. A Paypal Account.

The plan is to earn the money I need to live monthly and put it into a spending account and only touch the others (CHF/EUR) if I didnโ€™t make enough money.

So far Iโ€™ve come across these options:

  1. Paypal
    I already have a paypal account and It does some of what I want. Except Iโ€™d have to transfer my online money to my Euro Account to spend it with my spanish credit card. Which sounds like a lot of fees. Blog posts about nomad finances all seem to say paypal is an expensive option.

  2. Open Local Bank Accounts / Use Butcoins
    I would like the simplest solution possible. Opening new accounts for every country sounds like too much paperwork (which I hate with the intensity of 100 hell fires). Bitcoins? Iโ€™m already confused with all the real currencyโ€™s involved please donโ€™t bring in digital onesโ€ฆ

  3. Payoneer
    Biggest plus: It is integrated in the platforms I work with (99d & Upwork) so I can pay out my earnings really simple and supposedly cheap. They also give me a Mastercard to spend that money and multi-currency โ€œbank accountsโ€. But Iโ€™ve read really mixed reviews about it so I donโ€™t know what to think of it in the end.

  4. Revolut:
    Seems to be just what I need. You get a Mastercard and . It seems like they have really low fees, good exchange rates and no ATM extra-charges? I read some good reviews (except customer service which seems to be terrible with both Payoneer and Revolut). Customers can pay me directly with the multi-currency bank accounts but I would have to find the best way to bring my earnings from 99d and Upwork into here (I read about a guy that uses payoneer to send money to his Revolut? Is anyone using a similar setup?)

  5. Travel Credit Cards
    Iโ€™ve read about those who are suposed to have low fees and no ATM-charges, have not done any research yet.

So this is what my research brought up. Is there something I missed? Seems like getting to your money is harder than actually making it xD
Does anybody with a similar situation have personal experiences and clear suggestions on this topic?
I canโ€™t seem to make up my mind between payoneer and revolut. I also read about Transferwise bringing in their own credit card but could not find any infos from them? I would really appreciate your inputs because as mentioned I find this all quite overwhelming and would love an easy solution that involves the least amount of paperwork/effort (even is I loose a few cents here and there if not possible otherwise)

Thank you all!!

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Is anyone here an "investor" nomad?

 

by @gizmocaca | 3yr 2 years ago | 22 comments

Hi. Newbie here.
Wondering if anyone here has expertise in being an โ€œinvestorโ€ nomad where you travel and live off investment income? Iโ€™m contemplating fleeing the rat race and wanted to throw out a few thoughts and ideas.

Have a UK passport so donโ€™t get taxed on worldwide income whilst non-resident.
Iโ€™m thinking of residency in Malaysia (MM2H) or Philippines (Retirement visa).

In terms of generating tax efficient income:

  • HK, Singapore and UK donโ€™t withhold tax on equity dividends or preference shares
  • USA doesnโ€™t tax capital gains (but has nasty estate taxes on equities) for non-residents
  • USA debt securities (CDs/corp debt) do not withhold tax (w8-ben)
  • USA based p2p lending should be same as debt securities asset class hence no withholding
  • Eurobonds do not withhold tax on interest payments (look to have a spread of local currency bonds).

Would look to supplement by buying property (have my eyes on a few places in Philippines) to rent out. Would also look to invest in local businesses wherever I find opportunities.

Appreciate any advise or insight people might have!

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Has anyone got a mortgage in a foreign country, as self-employed nomad?


by @davidmumfordmusic | 4yr 3 years ago | 3 comments

Have any of you nomads been approved for a mortgage in a foreign country?

I am a UK citizen, and now that I work online Iโ€™m interested in maybe buying a property somewhere else in Europe. I donโ€™t particularly want to live in the UK, and house prices are ridiculous here anyway. I would much rather buy a little apartment in one of any number of European cities; just somewhere to have as a base in between travelling.

Has anyone ever done such a thing? How did the process work? Which country did you buy property in and how straight-forward was the process?

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How to find business partners as a nomad?


by @digital | 4yr 3 years ago | 17 comments

Hi everyone,

Starting in May 2016, Iโ€™m taking a year and a half abroad to work and develop my online businesses. Iโ€™m making more than 10k dollars per month at the moment from mainly 2 revenue streams. It works well but we all know how things change fast online - thatโ€™s why Iโ€™m always looking to launch new businesses.

We all know how the team is important in each profitable business. Thatโ€™s why I would like to meet other nomads to launch online projects together.

Iโ€™m more a digital marketing expert and have as well some web design + web development skills. My ideal vision will be to rent a house at 3 or 4 (a programmer, a designer, a marketer and an operations/sales expert for instance) and work together on new online projects (eCommerce, saas, or anything else that can be profitable). We can even be more in the house and would work on other/more projects. Because the team will probably be international, our projects can have a quick international scope (Iโ€™m French and I speak English and Spanish as well). We would change our location every 2/3 months to enjoy the nomadโ€™s life :smile:

Do you find my proposition interesting? According to you, how can I improve it?
Or, do you know any other way to find business partners as a nomad?

Thank you very much for reading me,

Best,
D.

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Where should I incorporate my business as a digital nomad?


by @ajsnewman | 4yr 3 years ago | 5 comments

Which is your favourite country in the world to incorporate and why?

I have a product that I plan to retail in the EU, Japan, the USA, Canada and New Zealand. Where should I incorporate?

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How to best set up your taxes, residency and and business as a digital nomad?

 

by @theglobalcitizen | 4yr 3 years ago | 60 comments

The purpose of this post is to discuss the benefits, downsides, and challenges of setting up an international business.

Comment with what you want to know, or with what knowledge you can offer others based on your experience.

  • Do you want to set up an offshore company but donโ€™t know
    where to start?
  • Do you have questions with setting up legal entities or bank accounts?
  • Do you have questions with regards to paying taxes and residency.

Before becoming a DN I worked in Dubai as a corporate service provider. I helped 100s of international entrepreneurs to set up their companies, engage in tax planning and obtaining residency. Most of them in Dubai, but also in other jurisdictions like Panama, Hong Kong & Seychelles.

Share your biggest struggles or tips!

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Anyone doing social media management as a digital nomad?


by @swechris | 4yr 3 years ago | 2 comments

Iโ€™d love to hear some advice on how to get customers and making everything work smoothly and remotely.

//Chris

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Does fulltime RV living count as being a digital nomad?


by @juliet | 4yr 4 years ago | 7 comments

Iโ€™m thinking about living fulltime in an RV mostly in the US and North America. Is this still part of the digital nomad community? Is there anyone who has tried this? Pros? Cons? Thanks!

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How to insure as an Australian nomad?


in Australia by @yeoa | 4yr 4 years ago | 12 comments

Hey everyone! Thereโ€™s often loads of blogs and threads about nomads from Americans and Europeans but I havenโ€™t come across any for nomads from Asia-Pacific.

I personally hold an Australian passport and Hong Kong PR and completely new to being a nomad. Any suggestions at all or resources that others may have come across on this particular topic?

Personally, Iโ€™m looking at broad medical/health insurance, travel insurance and as a bonus, insurance which may also cover scuba diving :slight_smile:

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