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How is Sicily for digital nomads?


by @gaelm | 5yr  | 15 comments

Hi all, I was looking for a cool spot in Southern Europe for winter and Iโ€™m considering Sicilyโ€ฆ Have you ever been there? If yes, how was your experience? If not, why?
thanks!

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@poppyjikko | 10mo

Hey, my airbnb was ok, it was on Pzeta della messinese

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@wildmolasses | 4yr

I visited Taormina this summer for 2 weeks, and the internet was pretty terrible. It was also a hassle to get a sim card โ€“ you need to go over to Giardini-Naxos to get one (which is only a 15 minute bus ride). That said, itโ€™s a wonderful, delicious place to be.

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@poppyjikko | 4yr

We are going next month ! :slight_smile: Still pondering which city thoughโ€ฆ

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@omarmohameddev | 4yr

In my opinion:

  • Nice cities/towns (maybe some have bad connections but are nice to be lived): Taormina, Giardini Naxos, Catania, Siracusa, Cefaluโ€™, Mameni
  • Cities/towns that you should avoid (for crowd, bad connection, bad connection or other reasons): Messina, Palermo, Any kind of little town in hinterland because the connection and the transportation are awful

I am mainly talking about of the cities that i know more of the east side of sicily where i lived, or the cities where i have been. Probably Catania is the best choice for a Digital Nomad for connection, distance from one of the two sicilian airports (the other one is in Palermo). A good deal could be Taormina/Giardini-Naxos; well connected, well served, nice nice place (nicer than Catania, in my opinion, but less option to move).

Let me know if you need other information!

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@poppyjikko | 3yr

So we finally stayed in Palermo for 1 month and loved it a lot ! In november/december itโ€™s not crowded and the climate is very nice. The city has a lot of soul and there are cool food options. We also found ourselves very close to a pretty nice coffee shop (for terrasse coffee, not for work). The internet was very decent (but asked beforehand).

BTW our host was doing a cool startup so Iโ€™ll share it here : http://ludwig.guru.

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@jojomunroro | 10mo

I also stayed in Palermo (Iโ€™m not a Nomad but location-independent so reply on internet to work) and I totally loved the city. It was wild!

The internet was so-so (Airbnb near the cathedral) and Skype calls were patchy but I could work just fine. I went in March this year and didnโ€™t think it was too crowded. I will definitely go back but may get the host to do a speed test beforehand.

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@omarmohameddev | 4yr

Sorry, I just read this now, the last months were quite crazy but know I finally found the project that I will use to boost my career in the next future (i moved to Berlin and i started as Freelance for a Consulting Company that sent me to work at a big corporation that can give me the chance to learn a lot, in the meantime) :slight_smile:

I am really happy to know that in Sicily something is moving, hopefully this could one little step to a brightest future!

(Sorry for grave-digging this conversation)

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@mattia | 3yr

Hi Omar,
nice to connectโ€ฆ
Could you share your process to become a freelance in Berlin? Which area? And are you fluent in German?
Thanks for that
best

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@omarmohameddev | 3yr

Hi Mattia,
sorry for the VERY VERY late response.

I found the job there through a London agency that contacted me through LinkedIn (Darwin Recruitment, but in the last year a lot of other UK agencies tried to place me and other tech people in Germany).

I was working for HERE Technologies, in the center of Berlin.

I didnโ€™t know and I am still learning German, but for a lot of big tech companies and also startups English is more than enough (also for living is not a problem, in Berlin a lot of people speak it fluently).

Let me know if you need further info via PM, letโ€™s stay on topic here :wink:

Cheers,
Omar

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@liberalogica | 5yr

Sorryโ€ฆ the cool hackspace is in Catania http://hackspacecatania.it/, not related to Vulcanicโ€ฆ

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@liberalogica | 5yr

I found a nice coworking space in Catania, it is called Vulcanic. There is also a cool hackspace there. I am planning to visit the Impact Hub in Syracuse soon, as i have been told that there is quite an international environment there

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@omarmohameddev | 5yr

Hi everyone!
Nice to meet you, first of all: my name is Omar and i am Sicilian (i were born in Catania and than lived close to Taormina for something like 20 years).

Actually, Sicily could be a really nice place for a digital nomad, but there are several โ€œproblemsโ€ that you have to live with every day, if you want to stay there:

  • During the winter, the temperature not are so warm like the Sud America or other tropical place: usually the temperature never goes below the 0 celsius degree, but is pretty cold between November-March (5/10 celsius degree as minimum with maximum 16/18 during the dayโ€ฆ not Alaska, but there are warmer place, depending on what youโ€™re looking for);

  • If you not are in one of the big cities (Messina, Palermo, Catania, Agrigento, etc.) itโ€™s really difficult to find a really good connection (for good connection i mean more than 7 M for download and 1 M for upload);

  • You NEED a car. Public transportation is a nightmare, inside and outside the big cities; usually outside the cities there are no public transportation at all for local areas. All the island is connected with train and bus, anyway, so you can move easily, but be in time in always an open problem;

  • People usually donโ€™t speak English so good, just young people could be more skilled, but generally is really hard that an adult is really good in it (as in the other parts of Italy, generally); On the other hand, they will try to understand and help you as much as they can: sicilian are really friendly.

  • During the winter there are really few attractions (not a lot of place where to go as in the other parts in the world), but if you want to come over there, i think that is mainly for the beautiful environmentโ€ฆ and thatโ€™s amazing.

  • Food is GREAT.

  • The cost of the life for food, accommodation is really really cheap, usually people earn monthly between 1000 to 1500 euros and live comfortably (without a family, of course, if you have a family that amount could be really strict). Anyway, for the digital nomads you can do a LOT of things and there are a LOT of luxury places (like in the Taormina Area) that can provide you really interesting services.

  • Sicily is NOT a well-organised place. Anything could be delayed, not organised in part or at all, and usually people are not so efficient as in northern Italy: the life is pretty slow and this could be a problem, often, but you can breath a really relaxed air over there.

Let met know if you need more specific informations, hope that i could help with these post. Sicily is a beautiful land: live there has a lot of cons, but really few, valuable pros.

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@gaelm | 5yr

yep, for climate and fares it seems to be a perfect place, but i canโ€™t find many people who actually tried. Itโ€™s a lack of offer (no cowo, bad internet etc) or for dome reason it is not appealing to DN?

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@ani_goes_tweet | 5yr

Maybe there will be someone as more people join the forum. Iโ€™m pretty sure Iโ€™ll be spending my winter in Sicily at some point, but not before winter 2016/17 as Iโ€™ve already made my bookings through autumn 2016. I never use co-working spaces, so if and when the time comes, I wonโ€™t be able to provide any feedback on that!

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@ani_goes_tweet | 5yr

This is something that interests me, too. If my memory serves me right, my research indicated that southern Sicily fares better in winter. (No big surprise there!) The Air B&B sublets seemed reasonable, too. Very interested in what people who have actually done it have to say.

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Hi guys ! hope you are doing well.

I would love to get your feedback regarding the best insurance for digital nomads. i'm traveling around Asia since 1 year and for next 4 or 5 years. Would love to buy an insurance to cover especially :

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Any Ph.D students dissertating while a digital nomad?


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Anyone know of any groups or resources for Ph.D. students working on dissertation while living as a digital nomad? I know there are several virtual writing groups around, but wondered if there were any specifically for digital nomads, particularly those who are dissertating.

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Does international health insurance for digital nomads exist?

 

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Hey Nomads!

Iโ€™m looking for an international health insurance (no travel insurance) for my nomadic life. It should cover the basic services and at least be accepted in the EU (itโ€™s ok if itโ€™s not accepted in the US as Iโ€™m aware they rarely are). Nice to have: enter into a contract online. Anyone got a good experience or a recommendation?

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I dream of being a digital nomad? How do I do it?


by @programmingmark | 6mo 5 months ago | 2 comments

Hello digital nomad!

I dream of being an independent digital nomad. But it feels very elusive & unattainable with my success rate. In full disclosure, whilst I have dreamed about making money online since high school; I have not earned a single cent making money online. $0, nada, zilch!! On the contrary, I have spent a lot of time & money on books, podcasts. Even though I have spent a lot of time reading/listening to others, I do not have anything to show for it!

I have made attempts in the past to start an online business, but these fizzle out quite quickly when I do not see traction especially when the goal I have set myself is too high.

Instead of reaching for the ultimate nomadic lifestyle goal, I want to start much smaller. Really small! I am simply looking to make $50 profit per month from a new online business. Thatโ€™s it.

I need some advice from you please!

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  • What is a good way of achieving this goal?

Thanks
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aka the $0 online business entrepreneur

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How do digital nomads pay tax?


by @rodriigovieira | 6mo 6 months ago | 19 comments

Hello everyone! Iโ€™m new here and probably this is a very newbie question, but it doesnโ€™t leave my head.

How do you, nomads, pay your taxes? I mean, if youโ€™re constantly traveling, how are you going to pay taxes for a certain country if you are going to stay there a short period of time?
Or do you return to your โ€œoriginal countryโ€ and then pay them?

By the way, this forum has very nice cool formatting features! :smile:

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Best place for Digital Nomad in Latin America?


by @rose_davis | 8mo 8 months ago | 7 comments

Hi!

I am planning to move to Latin America for 3-4 months (Oct-January). Iโ€™ve narrowed down 6 different places that I want to visit before committing to settling down, but Iโ€™d love to get some community input.

Here are the cities Iโ€™m considering:

  • Quito, Ecuador
  • Cuenca, Ecuador
  • Medellin, Columbia
  • Cartagena, Columbia
  • Antigua, Guatemala
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The most important things Iโ€™m looking for:

  • Fast/easily accessible internet
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Anyone have any experience with these places and can give some insight? Iโ€™m also completely open to other recommendations.

Thanks!
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How do we solve housing for digital nomads?

 

by @levelsio | 9mo 8 months ago | 61 comments

Thereโ€™s been a lot of discussion on this recently.

Nomads usually stay in hostels, hotels and short-term apartments. But itโ€™s all not very optimal.

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I donโ€™t want do physical stuff, so Iโ€™m thinking of building a platform around making housing better for nomads.

What are the housing problems nomads face? And how can we solve them with products/services?

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How is Bari, Italy for digital nomads?


in Bari, Italy by @mitch_dina | 10mo 10 months ago | 7 comments

Greetings!
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in Mauritius by @wakkos | 11mo 11 months ago | 14 comments

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Are there any digital nomad fitness retreats?


by @ryanjames | 11mo 11 months ago | 1 comment

Hey all:

Does anyone here have any experience attending a full time fitness bootcamp or a fitness resort while working? I know there is one in Cambodia for digital nomads (Fitness Retreat Resort Kep Gym), unfortunately the time difference vs my work schedule would make my life suck if I tried to go there. Iโ€™m looking for a place between US and Europe timezones that lets you live with them, kicks your butt with fitness, but would also have good WiFi/accommodate working eight hours a day. Iโ€™m also open to other tangential ideas for something close-ish to get that same experience.

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Best place to set up a company selling digital services?


by @pras_k | 12mo 11 months ago | 10 comments

Whatโ€™s the best place?
For residency Iโ€™m looking at Portugal and they have the NHR (non habitual resident) program which would exempt dividends from foreign income.
So all Iโ€™m really looking for is the best place to actually start the company.
Biggest factors are of course low taxes and ease of setting up the company plus a business bank account that enables me to receive payments through Stripe.

What I found so far:
Hong Kong
Corporate tax rate of 16.5% (8.25% for the first HK$2 million)
โŠ•/โŠ– offshore income from outside HK is exempt from taxation but itโ€™s not clear whether this can be done in the first year and prorated or if itโ€™s only through filing the offshore exemption claim. This might take two years and requires not income from HK at all. More info on that would be great
โŠ– seems very difficult to get a business bank account
โŠ– necessary services and fees are roughly around โ‚ฌ2000 / year
โŠ– accounting requirements seem to be very strict
โŠ• Doesnโ€™t require local partner
โŠ• Agencies available that seem to handle most of the work

Singapore
Corporate tax rate of 17% (0% on the first S$100k, 8.5% up to S$300k)
โŠ– requires a local director. What are the implications of this?

Malta
Corporate tax rate of 35%
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โŠ– European customers would have to pay VAT and Iโ€™d have to deal with that

Cyprus
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โŠ– European customers would have to pay VAT and Iโ€™d have to deal with that
โŠ– requires staying in Cyprus for 2 months / year

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Do you "out" yourself as a digital nomad?


by @larsheather | 1yr 1 year ago | 2 comments

When you meet new people or reconnect with old friends, do you โ€œoutโ€ yourself as a digital nomad? The simple question โ€œwhere do you live?โ€ makes us uncertain now. We wonder if some places may be less welcoming to digital nomads, or if โ€œdigital nomadโ€ has a negative connotation in some places. If you are forthcoming from the start, does your status as a digital nomad make it hard to form friendships?

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Thanks!

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Property Ownership - should digital nomads buy properties?


by @sparrow_23 | 1yr 1 year ago | 16 comments

I have been a digital nomad for the last couple of years. I have always worked in tech and now run a couple of profitable online businesses that give me a reliable income and allow me to fund a nomadic lifestyle.

I recently exited one of my businesses and I am considering to invest the income from the sale in properties, mainly for 2 reasons:

a) I donโ€™t want to keep wasting my money in renting apartments across the cities I stay

b) I believe in properties as investment and I want to diversify my investment portfolio (mainly stocks)

After years of constant wander from one place to another, now I am the type of digital nomad who sticks to few locations: I mainly rotate across 4 places each year (San Francisco, Medellin, Berlin, Bali). Buying a house in each of those location would be difficult and too expensive. Therefore, I was wondering if there was any sort of service that combines an investment opportunity with the ability to access different properties around the world (even if just for a limited time per year) ?

Imagine living in 4 cities per year and having a house in each place that you can exclusively use for 3 months and at the same time having your investment growing (this depending on the market, of course). Wouldnโ€™t that be great? I believe it could be done via a property fund selling you a share and giving you access to some of their properties for a limited timeframe each year.

Has anyone heard of anything like that?

Thanks!

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Apple TV and Netflix: Do these work for Nomads?


by @lricci | 1yr 1 year ago | 8 comments

We launch in 2 weeks. In the US, we use Apple TV and Netflix regularly. Do these work abroad?

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Ko Lanta or Ko Phangan - which island is better for a digital nomad?


in Ko Lanta, Thailand by @melinda | 1yr 1 year ago | 6 comments

Iโ€™m currently in Penang, Malaysia and I was thinking to head to Thailand next. What are the best islands in Thailand to get some work done? I was considering either Ko Lanta or Ko Phangan because those both islands have coworking spaces. I might need to take some client calls, also video. Is the wifi good enough? Are there any other differences between the islands?

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Do any digital nomads travely solely by motorcycle?


by @fraserdeans | 1yr 1 year ago | 10 comments

Last summer I spent some time travelling through Thailand and Cambodia and jumped on mopeds to get around. I fell in love with them, the freedom, the ability to get off the tourist trail and see areas of a country not written about in tour books.

Recently a friend of mine cycled from London through Western Europe down to Morocco. His journey, stories and photo blog have all inspired me to see Europe by road rather than missing it all by plane.

Iโ€™ve been encouraged to do the same longer term through Europe. Next month Iโ€™m heading off to Spain to start that journey.

I was wondering if any nomads here are on similar journeys? Does anyone motorcycle between cities setting up to work for a couple weeks then moving on?

If so, have you got any advice/tips for someone just starting that journey?

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Where should I register my company as a digital nomad? Singapore, Hong Kong?


in Singapore by @raphadk | 1yr 1 year ago | 14 comments

Hey guys, hereโ€™s a question Iโ€™ve been asking nomads I meet everywhere, but still havenโ€™t found good information. My startups mostly focus on american and european markets but I donโ€™t have a registered company, nor I live permanently on any of these countries.

I get the cash payments online in paypal (or adsense) and transfer it to Thailand (or Malaysia, or Bali, or Brazil, or wherever Iโ€™m at). The thing isโ€ฆ for low volume living expenses it seems fine, but as I scale the business, Iโ€™m starting to think more and more about fiscal law.

A fellow nomad told me to transfer it to Singapore, Hong Kong or The Virgin Islands, and then use an international credit card anywhere. I donโ€™t know if itโ€™s the best way to optimize thisโ€ฆ any ideas?

Also, could there be any problems in selling to these countries without a registered local company?

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What's the best mobile-data option in New Zealand for nomads?


in New Zealand by @goldsaj | 2yr 1 year ago | 2 comments

Hi All! Iโ€™ve heard Spark and Vodafone are the best. I plan to move around, so I care mostly about having good coverage, and all Iโ€™ll need is around 1 GB of data or so.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

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Is Three's 'Go Roam' package any good for British nomads?


by @alexnapierholland | 2yr 1 year ago | 2 comments

Hey, Three in the UK offer a โ€˜Go Roamโ€™ package that - at first glance - looks good for nomads.

It essentially promises data use abroad, up to 12GB,

Iโ€™d link to Threeโ€™s FAQ for Go Roam, but as Iโ€™m a new user I canโ€™t.

Bali/Indonesia and Australia are both included, which are top destinations for me.

Thailand is not, which may be annoying.

I could do with a new iPhone before I leave for Bali again in January and as Iโ€™ve been launching a new business, am a bit short on cash.

Unsure if this is a good solution, or if it makes more sense to sit-it-out on my iPhone 6 until I can buy an iPhone XS Max with cash and stick whatever SIM I want in it.

What do you guys think?

Cheers!

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London meet-ups / events / places to meet nomads?


in London, United Kingdom by @jameswander | 2yr 2 years ago | 5 comments

Are there any regular meet-ups or other places to meet nomads in London?

This was the only nomad focused event I saw on meetup.com:
https://www.meetup.com/meetup-group-BNBrelBl/events/252398877/

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