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I'm launching Nomad List 2.0 soon, can you give me your feedback?

 

by @levelsio | 5yr  | 41 comments

Hi guys/girls,

Itโ€™s time for my regular request for feedback on Nomad List and all the related sites (including this forum, #nomads, Nomad Jobs etc.).

Hereโ€™s a little update on Nomad List itself: Iโ€™ve rewrote the entire site this month and will launch it soon as Nomad List 2.0, you can check it out at http://2.nomadlist.com.

Biggest changes:

  • When Nomad List launched, it had data on 25 cities, with 3 data points per city (cost, internet, temperature). In the last few months, Iโ€™ve worked together with a team of editors in the last few months to add the worldโ€™s 500 biggest cities, with about 70 data points (like safety, fun to the best hospitals). This means, it now has 35,000 data points.
  • It now includes over 10,000 places to work, like coworking spaces and coffee shops, and sleep, like hotels and hostels. Iโ€™ve made an algorithm to score these places based on user reviews, WiFi speeds, proximity to each other (like itโ€™ll recommend Hubba in Bangkok, and a hotel near that so you can walk to your work).
  • Itโ€™s integrated with #nomads now, which means I can add user profiles soon for all nomads to share their trips.

Let me know your tips and what direction you think I should go :slight_smile:

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@levelsio | 5yr

Itโ€™s live now! Thanks everyone for their feedback:

:smiley:

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@yanokwa | 5yr

Iโ€™d also like to see more information in the tooltips.

For city size, maybe you can have examples and counts. So mega city tool tip would be โ€œ> 8 million people (e.g., New York Cityโ€

For temperature, youโ€™d have types of clothing and actual temperatures (in F and C). For comfort level, youโ€™d add percentage humidity. You might even consider pulling this data in from (or just adding a link to) Weatherspark (e.g., https://weatherspark.com/averages/33584/Medellin-Rionegro-Antioquia-Colombia)

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Has anyone mentioned the feature to change current location? Iโ€™m using a VPN and I canโ€™t change my current location.

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@levelsio | 5yr

Yes @travelrawr, will add that. I think Iโ€™ll make it a Sign In kind of thing though. For now you can change the Visa selection in the filter: http://2.nomadlist.com

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@yanokwa | 5yr

@levelsio Iโ€™d love to see weather in certain quarters or best times to go. Thailand is a lot more comfortable in the fall than it is in the winterโ€ฆ

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@levelsio | 5yr

Thanks Yanokwa, Iโ€™ve added this now for you:

Gives a rough estimate on whatโ€™s the best time to go, still very subjective and basic:

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@yago1 | 5yr

Wow amazing this version 2.0. :slight_smile: Great piece of work here!

Just one thing which could be cool would be a favorite function. So you can save your โ€œfavoriteโ€ cities, hotels etc.

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@levelsio | 5yr

Yes def on my to-do list :smile:

By the way, what do you like better? The grid view or the list view?

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@kovacevicivan | 5yr

Its difficult to say, both views have their pros and consโ€ฆ

@levelsio I would just add one feedback here as well - it is really great to have filter for visa requirement, but iwas just wondering if it is set by location or by personal details of nomad? Since, I assume there are people for example from Turkey who are living currently in Estonia and they would need an info about visa requirements for Turkey citizens. Hope you understand what I am telling youโ€ฆ

tnx

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@levelsio | 5yr

Yep absolutely! Just shipped it fast, but thatโ€™s super necessary as most people are NOT in the same place as their nationality. Thatโ€™s the whole point of being a nomad haha :smiley:

Iโ€™ll add a nationality selector now.

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@levelsio | 5yr

Here you go http://2.nomadlist.com :smiley:

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@levelsio | 5yr

Hereโ€™s some new addition:

I rewrote the whole filter part, let me know if it works or not:
http://2.nomadlist.com

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@kovacevicivan | 5yr

Hey @levelsio

Great work man till now!
However, I am having trouble to click on any citiyโ€ฆI cant get more details for particular city, only 4 facts when I make hover move. I am using Safari 8.0.3

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@levelsio | 5yr

Think I fixed this now, can you check again?

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Worked fine for me on Safari last night :slight_smile:

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@levelsio | 5yr

Yay finally! Amazing :smiley:

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@kovacevicivan | 5yr

Works fine with me on safari also.

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I havenโ€™t checked at home again, but itโ€™s Safari where Iโ€™m having issues. Works fine on Chrome at work.

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@elena | 5yr

Panamรก city more expensive to live than Los Angeles, CA? Those Nomads are living THE LIFE! other than that, site looks great.

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@levelsio | 5yr

Panama city rents are pretty high: http://panama.en.craigslist.org/search/apa?

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@elena | 5yr

Yes it is, Panama is expensive especially if you want to live in Calle 50, Punta Pacifica, San Francisco, Paitilla, etc. Thatโ€™s in the middle of everything and most of the buildings are brand new and very modern. Locals that live in those areas either have been there all their life (before prices went up so much) or are making some good money.

For example this apartment: http://panama.en.craigslist.org/apa/5030636620.html good location and if you get roommates the rent would only be $533 per person. If you really want to live like a local you can find houses for $800/m and $900/m but you will have to move away from what is considered the center of the city.
http://panama.en.craigslist.org/apa/4979039400.html (5 bedrooms for $2,500? sounds really good for the area)
Transportation: Taxi is usually $1.75 to $3.50. The Metro is $0.35. The Bus is $0.25 per ride.
Food: It varies. If you eat out everyday expect at least $5 to $10 per meal ($10 for a good meal). If you manage to cook for yourself food is not that expensive and thereโ€™s a few small markets you can go to.
Safety: Not that bad. Just have to be mindful of whoโ€™s around you.
Nightlife: Good! and thereโ€™s a lot to choose from.
Internet cafes: I donโ€™t know many. Internet is not very good in Panama.

This list seems very accurate to me, it has some data on prices in Panama: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Panama

Iโ€™ve been in Los Angeles for 5 years and rent for a not so nice room has never been less than $1,000 without internet, gas, insurance, cellphone, food and other miscellaneous. My expenses are easily $2,300 per month and thatโ€™s only because I have two roommates and donโ€™t go out that much. Iโ€™ve lived in West Hollywood, Downtown La and Eagle Rock. Moving around the city without a car is really hard and expensive. So the comparison just sounded off to me.

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Everything looks pretty awesome, except I canโ€™t seem to click on the cities for further info. It worked for Gent, but nowhere else.

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@levelsio | 5yr

Uh-oh, really?! Which browser do you use?

Can you try again now, I fixed some bugs:

http://2.nomadlist.com

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Have yet to test this again on Safari on my macbook at home. Works fine at my office on Chrome.

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@levelsio | 5yr

Yeah it feels pretty sluggish on Safari here, have to fix that.

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@avermat | 5yr

Improving the site speed would be nice.
http://www.webpagetest.org/result/150518_RZ_ZYW/

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@levelsio | 5yr

Yeah I checked but WebPageTest runs the site with JS disabled, so it loads all the images. But theyโ€™re actually lazy loaded if you have JS enabled. This is a more accurate test:

http://tools.pingdom.com/fpt/#!/d4VBaF/2.nomadlist.com

Still can optimize a bit there though. Itโ€™ll load 35% faster once I enable HTTPS + SPDY.

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@basicallydan | 5yr

Hey, itโ€™s looking really good! I think the hotel, hostel and cafe recommendations will be really really useful on my trip.

EDIT: Did have a bug here but turns out it was user error :slight_smile:

I have some feedback about the price filter. I know that there are some strong arguments for reducing the number of options the user gets with number-based filters, and perhaps thereโ€™s some technical/performance reasons too (indexing for instance) but I personally am frustrated when I canโ€™t pick more specific, less-round numbers like $3,440 or something. A $1,000 per month difference is rather large, I think.

Lots of websites go with a slider, and I understand it would screw with your design a little to change it now, but thatโ€™s my main bit of opinionated feedback.

Some more: I suspect this is probably on a to-do list somewhere. Having a โ€œsaveableโ€ filter state would be nice too, preferably in the form of a URL with filter info in the path like you have on the current nomadlist.io.

Another one: Are you removing the list view and the map view? I quite like them, especially list view since it allows for easier comparison!

Keep it up :slight_smile:

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@replay | 5yr

@basicallydan Iโ€™m not sure if I just misunderstood your comment regarding the cost/month selection. But the โ€œ$2000โ€ and โ€œ$4000โ€ are lead by โ€œ>โ€ (greater than), whereas the previous numbers have โ€œ<โ€ (lower than).

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@basicallydan | 5yr

Oh yeah I didnโ€™t even notice that! Thanks for pointing it out :slight_smile: I havenโ€™t had my morning coffee yet, thatโ€™s my excuse :wink:

My other feedback is still valid though :slight_smile:

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@levelsio | 5yr

Yes! Will re-add the query string and save it as a day/week cookie so that when you come back your filter is preset.

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@jonmyers | 5yr

Looking nice Pieter. Good direction.

Very Airbnb with the cards.

My two cents on some things.

Big thing.

Search.

In this context, and for the sake of simplifying my point, there are two types of searchers.

Those who have zero idea where they are going and want to explore.

Letโ€™s call them โ€œSerendipitous Searchersโ€.

The site layout heavily caters to Serendipitous Searchers, however Iโ€™m not sure they are the majority.

The other type are Direct Searchers. They are there to look up a city or region and want to be connected with that functionality asap. Iโ€™m not sure the layout supports them equally well.

I would make a global search bar at the top. First thing I wanted to do is just search. Took me a few to figure out the search was over in the sidebar. In general, I would take a pass at putting filtering on the top like AirBnb.

On filtering criteria.

I feel like a majority of people start their city selection criteria based on region.

Thereโ€™s no way to filter, start your search by region, ex., Southeast Asia, etc.

Cards themselves need more masking. Not enough contrast there to present the text.

Very hard to read the information on the cards and there is too much noise on the cards. Also, images are not retina friendly and look blurred on my screen.

Personally, I would title each card with the city only.

Perhaps, price, but thatโ€™s it. Too messy for me and my eyes glaze over with all that competing text and icons.

The format of all that text on one card, followed by the competing cards all using the same pattern, make it impossible for the eyes to scan in any cohesive pattern.

At the very least, if you insist on putting all that text and all those icons on the cards, you have to reduce the weight of the typefaces with supporting details (weather, wifi, etc.,) - right now they are all Proxima-Nova Bold and thus, there is no contrast and all the information is being broadcast at the same frequency.

Hope that helps man.

Cheers.

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@levelsio | 5yr

Smart, will add :slight_smile:

Added region filter on top now.

Pushed dimmer from 15% to 35% now

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@alan1974s | 5yr

Looks awesome! Out of curiosity, what did you use to build the data speeds?

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@denispitcher | 5yr

Great upgrade! I wish it the hotel listings had been around sooner, could have used them in SE Asia.

Where does the โ€œfunโ€ rating come from? Itโ€™d be great to see another category added โ€œDoโ€ for things to see and do in a location that perhaps contributes to that rating.

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@replay | 5yr

Looks great so far!

One feature suggestion:
Besides only showing the avg speed of the internet connections, you could also give the cities some kind of rating regarding the general quality of Infrastructure related to providing internet. I donโ€™t know if this data is available anywhere or if it would need to be crowd sourced from people whoโ€™ve been to places. Generally what I mean is just that an avg internet speed of 25mbps doesnโ€™t help me if the power is out half of the time due to low quality infrastructure, or if this super fast internet connection canโ€™t connect out of the country because some deep sea link has been torn by an earth quake or whatever.

The implementation might be complicated and Iโ€™m not sure how to properly display this data, like in an SLA youโ€™d say 99.99% of the time the avg speed is >25mbps and 99.0% of the time itโ€™s >5mbps or something like that.

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@yako | 5yr

So far it looks good. You should fix the padding for the words on the scores. Right now the words appear on top (I am not even sure adding the word -bad, good, etc- together with the color of the bar and the length makes any sense)
I can see some strange results on the scores for some cities, but I guess that is open to interpretations.
The search box doesnโ€™t seem to be working.
When you click on the center of the image for each city there is a CSS error. In order to get the information about each place you have to click either on top or on the bottom of the image. (using chrome)
I see there is a big push for affiliates recommendations. I sent you a msg a few days ago asking why a question regarding accommodations in Milan was unlisted.
Are we going to be able to discuss housing accommodations in v2?

I couldnโ€™t check everything yet but these are my 2c so far.

Good job.

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@levelsio | 5yr

Thanks, yes that was a pesky bug thatโ€™s fixed now

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@munly_leong | 5yr

replayMay 17
Looks great so far!

One feature suggestion:
Besides only showing the avg speed of the internet connections, you could also give the cities some kind of rating regarding the general quality of Infrastructure related to providing internet. I donโ€™t know if this data is available anywhere or if it would need to be crowd sourced from people whoโ€™ve been to places. Generally what I mean is just that an avg internet speed of 25mbps doesnโ€™t help me if the power is out half of the time due to low quality infrastructure, or if this super fast internet connection canโ€™t connect out of the country because some deep sea link has been torn by an earth quake or whatever.

The implementation might be complicated and Iโ€™m not sure how to properly display this data, like in an SLA youโ€™d say 99.99% of the time the avg speed is >25mbps and 99.0% of the time itโ€™s >5mbps or something like that.

This is the EXACT sort of thing I founded www.worldbroadbandfoundation.org to try and do awhile ago but US immigration and funding became an issue to continue. Started from having a lot of trouble in Toronto

May be restarting it as part of Brad Feldโ€™s Global EIR experiment. Still a lot of data on the intranet but I need to work out my own issues before I can go back to working on it.

Some basic funding would help but the other issue is being in the US for 501ยฉ status so it can grow further.

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@levelsio | 5yr

Hi Munly, thanks! I have no idea what youโ€™re talking about, can you explain?

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@munly_leong | 5yr

oops, I guess it didnt go in under Replayโ€™s post, Iโ€™ve added the quote now

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Hi guys ! hope you are doing well.

I would love to get your feedback regarding the best insurance for digital nomads. i'm traveling around Asia since 1 year and for next 4 or 5 years. Would love to buy an insurance to cover especially :

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Hoping to see all the cool stuff people are working on while they live an extraordinary life.

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Hey Nomads!

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I dream of being a digital nomad? How do I do it?


by @programmingmark | 6mo 5 months ago | 2 comments

Hello digital nomad!

I dream of being an independent digital nomad. But it feels very elusive & unattainable with my success rate. In full disclosure, whilst I have dreamed about making money online since high school; I have not earned a single cent making money online. $0, nada, zilch!! On the contrary, I have spent a lot of time & money on books, podcasts. Even though I have spent a lot of time reading/listening to others, I do not have anything to show for it!

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Instead of reaching for the ultimate nomadic lifestyle goal, I want to start much smaller. Really small! I am simply looking to make $50 profit per month from a new online business. Thatโ€™s it.

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  • What is a good way of achieving this goal?

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aka the $0 online business entrepreneur

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by @rodriigovieira | 7mo 6 months ago | 19 comments

Hello everyone! Iโ€™m new here and probably this is a very newbie question, but it doesnโ€™t leave my head.

How do you, nomads, pay your taxes? I mean, if youโ€™re constantly traveling, how are you going to pay taxes for a certain country if you are going to stay there a short period of time?
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My first time nomad-ing... Spain or Portugal?


in Portugal by @jasraj | 7mo 6 months ago | 6 comments

Hey everyone,

Iโ€™m a freelance + nomad newbie, off for my 1st proper trip in May. Iโ€™m wanting to spend a month somewhere and go from there.

I just came back from Slovenia/Ljubljana and loved it there (just a week). I donโ€™t mind โ€œsleepierโ€ places par-say, as long as theyโ€™re close to a beach or nature of some kind. In fact, I kinda like places less-busy and a bit smaller/cosier.

Iโ€™m been swaying towards Porto, but have been impressed by the rave reviews Iโ€™ve seen for Valencia.

-> Have you every nomad-ed in a Spanish/Portuguese city? Iโ€™d love to know where and what you liked/disliked :slight_smile:

Thanks! :slight_smile:

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How to save filter settings on Nomad List?


by @krzemian | 7mo 7 months ago | 3 comments

Hey, is there currently a way to save filter settings? I feel like it would be helpful for planning the trip as I have several ideas on what to target and would like to cycle between them

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Anyone know an accountant for Canadian nomads/expats?


by @noam_lightstone | 7mo 7 months ago | 16 comments

Hey guys, this was my first year as a Canadian nomad.

As far as I know of, Canadians donโ€™t pay taxes if they do not live in the country for 6 months.

But Iโ€™d like to talk to an accountant or someone who does Canadian taxes specifically for expats and nomads to get clear on the rules and for help on my return coming up.

Does anyone know someone who specializes in Canada who can help? Iโ€™ve seen plenty of US recommendations but none for us canucks.

Thanks guys!

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Best place for Digital Nomad in Latin America?


by @rose_davis | 9mo 8 months ago | 7 comments

Hi!

I am planning to move to Latin America for 3-4 months (Oct-January). Iโ€™ve narrowed down 6 different places that I want to visit before committing to settling down, but Iโ€™d love to get some community input.

Here are the cities Iโ€™m considering:

  • Quito, Ecuador
  • Cuenca, Ecuador
  • Medellin, Columbia
  • Cartagena, Columbia
  • Antigua, Guatemala
  • San Marcos La Laguna, Guatemala

The most important things Iโ€™m looking for:

  • Fast/easily accessible internet
  • Easy to meet other nomads/make friends in general
  • Safe for women
  • Some sort of spiritual community (Iโ€™m also a yoga teacher)
  • Easily walkable city

Anyone have any experience with these places and can give some insight? Iโ€™m also completely open to other recommendations.

Thanks!
Rose

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Where are the nomads in Mexico City?


in Mexico City, Mexico by @shellyfish | 9mo 8 months ago | 9 comments

I just landed as a n00b digital nomad in Mexico City, and I am wonderingโ€ฆ Where are all the international digital nomads hiding around here? I have been to several coworking spaces (Selina etc.) only to find A LOT of local Mexican workers and businesses. Donโ€™t get me wrong, that is all fine, but I was hoping to meet some international nomads! Any advice?

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How do we solve housing for digital nomads?

 

by @levelsio | 9mo 8 months ago | 61 comments

Thereโ€™s been a lot of discussion on this recently.

Nomads usually stay in hostels, hotels and short-term apartments. But itโ€™s all not very optimal.

Iโ€™ve heard people suggest getting funding and building a network of houses you can stay at for a subscription price (e.g. Bruno Haid is working on that).

I donโ€™t want do physical stuff, so Iโ€™m thinking of building a platform around making housing better for nomads.

What are the housing problems nomads face? And how can we solve them with products/services?

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App/tool/service for nomads to bring things from another country?


by @brmolin | 10mo 10 months ago | 4 comments

I vaguely remember hearing about such a service before, but Iโ€™m drawing a blank on the name. Basically I left my tablet on a connecting flight in Europe, right before my main flight to Thailand. They have my tablet and are willing to ship it out for me, but people have warned me thereโ€™s a big risk of it getting โ€œlost in the mailโ€ if I ship something expensive like that to Thailand.

Iโ€™m wondering if thereโ€™s a service or community, where I can find a nomad whoโ€™s in Europe/heading to Thailand soon, so I can have it shipped to them in Europe and pay them to ferry it down here for me? I met someone in Budapest a ways back who had built something for this type of use-case, but I canโ€™t remember the name of it. Any help would be appreciated!

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Are there any nomads from India?

 

in India by @ankitdas123 | 10mo 10 months ago | 56 comments

I have seen a lot of posts from different people across the world, but not even a single post from someone in India, who has been a nomad, either living within the country or traveling to another one.

Would definitely love to hear stories from such people. We are a couple traveling as social nomads who are trying to bridge the gap between the rural and urban societies in India. We have started out very humble and do not have much resources, so looking out for help from the community.

Ankit & Rishika
Around Love and Life

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How is Sicily for digital nomads?


by @gaelm | 11mo 10 months ago | 15 comments

Hi all, I was looking for a cool spot in Southern Europe for winter and Iโ€™m considering Sicilyโ€ฆ Have you ever been there? If yes, how was your experience? If not, why?
thanks!

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How is Bari, Italy for digital nomads?


in Bari, Italy by @mitch_dina | 11mo 10 months ago | 7 comments

Greetings!
Does anyone have experience in Bari, Italy please? We are thinking of going from Dubrovnik, Croatia to Bari by boat in mid-March. Has anyone taken a boat across? Is it nice or can it be choppy? (We are trying to avoid planes, to reduce our carbon footprint, so adding more surface travel.) Also, any info you might be able to offer about Bari and the surrounds? Next step will likely be trains up Italy as the Spring progresses.

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