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Let's fix dating for digital nomads!

 

by @levelsio | 5yr  | 22 comments

Letโ€™s say youโ€™re in Thailand (or any other remote place) and you want to find a significant other (SO). Itโ€™s hard because most dating apps are good for local hook ups, or for locals dating locals. If you are a somewhat perpetual traveler, itโ€™s hard to find anyone taking on a long-term relationship with you. Youโ€™ll date somebody, youโ€™ll move to the next place, and they wonโ€™t be able to come with you because they have their ties to a place. Usually.

I wanted to see if I could get all the people on Nomad List together, and experiment if we could figure out how to fix dating for travelers. So I build this mini app that looks similar to most dating apps. It has swiping left (dislike), swiping right (like) and you can in-app chat with the people you meet. Also no installs as itโ€™s just a website!

Itโ€™s calledโ€ฆNinder

It also ties into Nomad Trips, so itโ€™ll show your current location and in the future will match you based on previous and future trips! And even propose dates when you have cross over :slight_smile:

Let me know any bugs you find, and what you think I should add as features! Itโ€™s pretty bare now :slight_smile:

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@wordmonkey | 4yr

Not sure if this is still being worked on, but I played with it a bit, and at some point got myself as a potential match (which was entertaining), and for some reason, the tool claimed I was based in Spain, which seems to be completely random.

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@nomadtax | 5yr

Most long term nomads tend to have a few bases, cities or countries they keep returning to. If you could code something that would let members search for other members that also share the same bases thatโ€™d be pretty useful!

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@susangaigher | 5yr

Agree with everyoneโ€™s comments re adding optional basic info, bios, current location, interests.
@KyleFromOhioCom Slow clap.

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@vladepap | 5yr

Re: location, I guess nomad trips does that already

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@vladepap | 5yr

Agree with the blurb under the photo idea. Could the Twitter description/headline be used?

Donโ€™t know if someone else mentioned this, but selecting a location could be good. That way if you are in Thailand or somewhere, you can find an SO or travel buddy in the same country or area.

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@jcw | 5yr

HELP!

I was curious to have a look and see what youโ€™ve built, but I found myself signed up - how do I delete my account as I already have an SO!

Is there a link to our profiles so we can delete them?

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@levelsio | 5yr

Sorry, removed your profile now :slight_smile:

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First impressionsโ€ฆ

  1. Iโ€™ve never used tinder. I didnt realize swiping right/left was making choices. I assumed the two big circle buttons made the choices and swiping โ€œskippedโ€.
  2. I had no idea what my profile photo was/is. (but i guess you are working on that.)
  3. A brief short term travel bio/goal sentence under the photo of what they do or are doing while they are traveling would be good. Like ask them โ€œIn one sentence, what is your short term travel goal?โ€โ€ฆ examples โ€œI am crazy and jump off cliffs with a GoPro in every country I travel to.โ€ (iโ€™d dislike that) or โ€œIโ€™m on a mission to take a nap on every beach in SE Asia.โ€ (iโ€™d like that) or โ€œIโ€™m on a mission to see every ruin in Mexico.โ€
  4. If you are a fan of Doctor Who then you know what I am talking about here, Iโ€™d replace any โ€œdatingโ€ with โ€œtravel companionโ€? I wouldnโ€™t mind LIKING some just for their bio/goal while others maybe just cuz they are cute or something.

Itโ€™d be easier to match people I think if the two liked the same activity (or where open to the idea like snorkeling or bar hopping or mountain hiking, etcโ€ฆ than I would think it would be matching from just a photo.

There was some dating site where you just post a date ideaโ€ฆ I always thought it was geniousโ€ฆ I found itโ€ฆ steal this ideaโ€ฆ http://www.howaboutwe.com/

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@rbruce | 5yr

Iโ€™d be curious what workflow you have for rejections, because I โ€œswipedโ€ no to some people just because they were just random avatars/not them.

Things like:

  • Do we see them again if they change their photos? How many times will we have to reject them before theyโ€™re gone forever? What if thereโ€™s there a nuclear โ€œnever againโ€ button?
  • Will we get another chance to see someone once you add a profile/bio feature?

etc.

Bug (or maybe intentional): When I run out of swipes, the modal pops up asking me to join NomadsList. If I decide โ€œmehโ€ and opt for doing that later, thereโ€™s no easy way to get to my existing matches without refreshing the page.

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@levelsio | 5yr

Good point, thatโ€™s a bit imperfect now. What Iโ€™ll do is add a photo uploader so you can add multiple photos, instead of just using the standard one from Twitter.

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@levelsio | 5yr

Oops, Iโ€™ll fix that now :slight_smile:

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@ride | 5yr

Itโ€™s hard because most dating apps are good for local hook ups, or for locals dating locals.

Tinder is already kind of global. See your local hook ups from your own culture, wherever you go.

No, really: Iโ€™m like, the internet is good for monopolies, even virtual: Tinder is the obvious, virtual dating monopoly.

To paraphrase Seth Godin: itโ€™s worth concentrating on the one thing, the one thing you are the best in the world in. Life is short!

For dating, it might be Tinder (and I suspect, even nomad dating). For a great nomad community site with lost of useful information, data and discussion, it might be Pieter. Sure, try many things, see which sticks, but I guess, the dating app would not be your core product. Or, I donโ€™t know.

If you are a somewhat perpetual traveler, itโ€™s hard to find anyone taking on a long-term relationship with you.

On the surface, everyone says they like to travel, sure. But that is only one aspect of us, maybe not even our most important, even though we might think. Speaking of, you want to find significant other. On some level, Iโ€™m also more an โ€˜opposites attracts likeโ€™ than a โ€˜like attracts likeโ€™ person. That gives the human drama! Not drama in that way, but in that way, if you know what I mean.

Hereโ€™s some science, from one my favorite popular researcher: A very Happy Valentineโ€™s Day

Some might even be useful - Not just for app developer businessmen.

I wonder though how the male:female ratio on Ninder will turn out to be. By the way, the link now shows me GIFBook, and shows SSL error in all my browsers.

Also, donโ€™t use Tinder.

Good luck!

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@modkaffes | 5yr

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@levelsio | 5yr

Thanks! Iโ€™ll have to use translateZ though for performance reasons

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@simonl | 5yr

good start, keep going. I ran out of likes and it asked me to join nomad lists when Iโ€™m already a member. It only gave me an option to join again, not put in my details.

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@waylandchin | 5yr

How do I go back and change my settings, if I want to change it from casual to dating, I donโ€™t see an option to do that.

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@levelsio | 5yr

Iโ€™ll add that soon, itโ€™s just a beta for now :slight_smile:

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@tpaktop | 5yr

Would be good to have some sort of profile. You know itโ€™s not all about the looks :wink:

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@levelsio | 5yr

Yes :slight_smile: Iโ€™ll add that too. I thought of pulling peopleโ€™s Nomad Trips profile and showing that.

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@joaocunha | 5yr

Iโ€™m in! Itโ€™s been so hard to find someone with similar interests and lifestyle!

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@richardh | 5yr

Does Ninder require the use of Twitter? I would have thought a Facebook login would be more appropriate given how happy people are to use it on Tinder.

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@levelsio | 5yr

Youโ€™re right! Iโ€™ll be adding that soon. Twitter was easiest to set up as I already used it on Nomad Trips etc.

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Are there any digital nomads in the Islands e.g Bermuda, Barbuda, St. Kitts and Nevis?


in Antigua, Guatemala by @momo11 | 7d 7 days ago | 0 comments

Does anyone ever travel to any Islands like Bermuda, Barbados, Barbuda and St. Kitts & Nevis?

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How to get into the digital nomad lifestyle?


in Switzerland by @filiptk | 23d 22 days ago | 1 comment

Hi, I've got a question to anyone who had experience with the digital nomad lifestyle. I'm 24, I'm in my last year of university doing computer science, got 3 years of experience mostly doing web development.

I never liked the idea of staying in one place, getting a job and growing roots - hence the will to take the opportunity and travel the world. My main question is โ€“ how do I go about it? Are there any useful resources I could look into?

How do I go about insurance and such once I decide to move. I currently live in Switzerland and do freelance work for one company. It's not a lot, since my studies don't allow me to pick up a full time job, but it allows me to cover simple expenses.

I'd be happy to get some insight into how things work and also happy to network with anyone interested.

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What is the best online insurance for digital nomads ?


by @berberos | 3mo 2 months ago | 4 comments

Hi guys ! hope you are doing well.

I would love to get your feedback regarding the best insurance for digital nomads. i'm traveling around Asia since 1 year and for next 4 or 5 years. Would love to buy an insurance to cover especially :

- health

- laptop, phone ...

- Flights

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Any Ph.D students dissertating while a digital nomad?


by @larsheather | 7mo 6 months ago | 5 comments

Anyone know of any groups or resources for Ph.D. students working on dissertation while living as a digital nomad? I know there are several virtual writing groups around, but wondered if there were any specifically for digital nomads, particularly those who are dissertating.

Thanks!

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Does international health insurance for digital nomads exist?

 

by @al_steffen | 7mo 7 months ago | 59 comments

Hey Nomads!

Iโ€™m looking for an international health insurance (no travel insurance) for my nomadic life. It should cover the basic services and at least be accepted in the EU (itโ€™s ok if itโ€™s not accepted in the US as Iโ€™m aware they rarely are). Nice to have: enter into a contract online. Anyone got a good experience or a recommendation?

Thanks in advance!

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I dream of being a digital nomad? How do I do it?


by @programmingmark | 8mo 8 months ago | 2 comments

Hello digital nomad!

I dream of being an independent digital nomad. But it feels very elusive & unattainable with my success rate. In full disclosure, whilst I have dreamed about making money online since high school; I have not earned a single cent making money online. $0, nada, zilch!! On the contrary, I have spent a lot of time & money on books, podcasts. Even though I have spent a lot of time reading/listening to others, I do not have anything to show for it!

I have made attempts in the past to start an online business, but these fizzle out quite quickly when I do not see traction especially when the goal I have set myself is too high.

Instead of reaching for the ultimate nomadic lifestyle goal, I want to start much smaller. Really small! I am simply looking to make $50 profit per month from a new online business. Thatโ€™s it.

I need some advice from you please!

  • Is $50 profit too low? How long did it take you to earn $50 profit per month?

  • What is a good way of achieving this goal?

Thanks
Mark
aka the $0 online business entrepreneur

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How do digital nomads pay tax?


by @rodriigovieira | 9mo 8 months ago | 19 comments

Hello everyone! Iโ€™m new here and probably this is a very newbie question, but it doesnโ€™t leave my head.

How do you, nomads, pay your taxes? I mean, if youโ€™re constantly traveling, how are you going to pay taxes for a certain country if you are going to stay there a short period of time?
Or do you return to your โ€œoriginal countryโ€ and then pay them?

By the way, this forum has very nice cool formatting features! :smile:

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Best place for Digital Nomad in Latin America?


by @rose_davis | 11mo 10 months ago | 7 comments

Hi!

I am planning to move to Latin America for 3-4 months (Oct-January). Iโ€™ve narrowed down 6 different places that I want to visit before committing to settling down, but Iโ€™d love to get some community input.

Here are the cities Iโ€™m considering:

  • Quito, Ecuador
  • Cuenca, Ecuador
  • Medellin, Columbia
  • Cartagena, Columbia
  • Antigua, Guatemala
  • San Marcos La Laguna, Guatemala

The most important things Iโ€™m looking for:

  • Fast/easily accessible internet
  • Easy to meet other nomads/make friends in general
  • Safe for women
  • Some sort of spiritual community (Iโ€™m also a yoga teacher)
  • Easily walkable city

Anyone have any experience with these places and can give some insight? Iโ€™m also completely open to other recommendations.

Thanks!
Rose

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How do we solve housing for digital nomads?

 

by @levelsio | 11mo 11 months ago | 61 comments

Thereโ€™s been a lot of discussion on this recently.

Nomads usually stay in hostels, hotels and short-term apartments. But itโ€™s all not very optimal.

Iโ€™ve heard people suggest getting funding and building a network of houses you can stay at for a subscription price (e.g. Bruno Haid is working on that).

I donโ€™t want do physical stuff, so Iโ€™m thinking of building a platform around making housing better for nomads.

What are the housing problems nomads face? And how can we solve them with products/services?

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How is Sicily for digital nomads?


by @gaelm | 1yr 1 year ago | 15 comments

Hi all, I was looking for a cool spot in Southern Europe for winter and Iโ€™m considering Sicilyโ€ฆ Have you ever been there? If yes, how was your experience? If not, why?
thanks!

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How is Bari, Italy for digital nomads?


in Bari, Italy by @mitch_dina | 1yr 1 year ago | 7 comments

Greetings!
Does anyone have experience in Bari, Italy please? We are thinking of going from Dubrovnik, Croatia to Bari by boat in mid-March. Has anyone taken a boat across? Is it nice or can it be choppy? (We are trying to avoid planes, to reduce our carbon footprint, so adding more surface travel.) Also, any info you might be able to offer about Bari and the surrounds? Next step will likely be trains up Italy as the Spring progresses.

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How is Mauritius for digital nomads?


in Mauritius by @wakkos | 1yr 1 year ago | 14 comments

Hello all,

Iโ€™m planning on spending a couple of month in Mauritius Island and even when Iโ€™ve been there for a week, never rented or worked there.

Does anyone here has tips or experience to share about Mauritius?

Cheers!

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Are there any digital nomad fitness retreats?


by @ryanjames | 1yr 1 year ago | 1 comment

Hey all:

Does anyone here have any experience attending a full time fitness bootcamp or a fitness resort while working? I know there is one in Cambodia for digital nomads (Fitness Retreat Resort Kep Gym), unfortunately the time difference vs my work schedule would make my life suck if I tried to go there. Iโ€™m looking for a place between US and Europe timezones that lets you live with them, kicks your butt with fitness, but would also have good WiFi/accommodate working eight hours a day. Iโ€™m also open to other tangential ideas for something close-ish to get that same experience.

Thanks for any help!

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Best place to set up a company selling digital services?


by @pras_k | 1yr 1 year ago | 10 comments

Whatโ€™s the best place?
For residency Iโ€™m looking at Portugal and they have the NHR (non habitual resident) program which would exempt dividends from foreign income.
So all Iโ€™m really looking for is the best place to actually start the company.
Biggest factors are of course low taxes and ease of setting up the company plus a business bank account that enables me to receive payments through Stripe.

What I found so far:
Hong Kong
Corporate tax rate of 16.5% (8.25% for the first HK$2 million)
โŠ•/โŠ– offshore income from outside HK is exempt from taxation but itโ€™s not clear whether this can be done in the first year and prorated or if itโ€™s only through filing the offshore exemption claim. This might take two years and requires not income from HK at all. More info on that would be great
โŠ– seems very difficult to get a business bank account
โŠ– necessary services and fees are roughly around โ‚ฌ2000 / year
โŠ– accounting requirements seem to be very strict
โŠ• Doesnโ€™t require local partner
โŠ• Agencies available that seem to handle most of the work

Singapore
Corporate tax rate of 17% (0% on the first S$100k, 8.5% up to S$300k)
โŠ– requires a local director. What are the implications of this?

Malta
Corporate tax rate of 35%
There is the โ€œfull imputation systemโ€ but I donโ€™t really understand it.
"In most cases, the tax refund to the shareholder is 6/7 of the tax paid by the company on profits distributed as dividends. The tax refund rate may be different in the following cases: " This would result in an effective corporate tax of around 5%.
โŠ– European customers would have to pay VAT and Iโ€™d have to deal with that

Cyprus
Corporate tax rate of 12.5% and there seem to be ways to lower this
โŠ– European customers would have to pay VAT and Iโ€™d have to deal with that
โŠ– requires staying in Cyprus for 2 months / year

I find it surprising how much research this requires and how much โ€œit dependsโ€ information is out there when Iโ€™d assume that there are probably thousands of digital nomads who probably have very similar requirements.

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Do you "out" yourself as a digital nomad?


by @larsheather | 1yr 1 year ago | 2 comments

When you meet new people or reconnect with old friends, do you โ€œoutโ€ yourself as a digital nomad? The simple question โ€œwhere do you live?โ€ makes us uncertain now. We wonder if some places may be less welcoming to digital nomads, or if โ€œdigital nomadโ€ has a negative connotation in some places. If you are forthcoming from the start, does your status as a digital nomad make it hard to form friendships?

We would love to hear how other people navigate thisโ€ฆ how to balance being authentic in relationships vs. withholding the context (and allowing people to assume youโ€™re on vacation, for example).

Thanks!

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Property Ownership - should digital nomads buy properties?


by @sparrow_23 | 1yr 1 year ago | 16 comments

I have been a digital nomad for the last couple of years. I have always worked in tech and now run a couple of profitable online businesses that give me a reliable income and allow me to fund a nomadic lifestyle.

I recently exited one of my businesses and I am considering to invest the income from the sale in properties, mainly for 2 reasons:

a) I donโ€™t want to keep wasting my money in renting apartments across the cities I stay

b) I believe in properties as investment and I want to diversify my investment portfolio (mainly stocks)

After years of constant wander from one place to another, now I am the type of digital nomad who sticks to few locations: I mainly rotate across 4 places each year (San Francisco, Medellin, Berlin, Bali). Buying a house in each of those location would be difficult and too expensive. Therefore, I was wondering if there was any sort of service that combines an investment opportunity with the ability to access different properties around the world (even if just for a limited time per year) ?

Imagine living in 4 cities per year and having a house in each place that you can exclusively use for 3 months and at the same time having your investment growing (this depending on the market, of course). Wouldnโ€™t that be great? I believe it could be done via a property fund selling you a share and giving you access to some of their properties for a limited timeframe each year.

Has anyone heard of anything like that?

Thanks!

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Ko Lanta or Ko Phangan - which island is better for a digital nomad?


in Ko Lanta, Thailand by @melinda | 1yr 1 year ago | 6 comments

Iโ€™m currently in Penang, Malaysia and I was thinking to head to Thailand next. What are the best islands in Thailand to get some work done? I was considering either Ko Lanta or Ko Phangan because those both islands have coworking spaces. I might need to take some client calls, also video. Is the wifi good enough? Are there any other differences between the islands?

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Do any digital nomads travely solely by motorcycle?


by @fraserdeans | 2yr 1 year ago | 10 comments

Last summer I spent some time travelling through Thailand and Cambodia and jumped on mopeds to get around. I fell in love with them, the freedom, the ability to get off the tourist trail and see areas of a country not written about in tour books.

Recently a friend of mine cycled from London through Western Europe down to Morocco. His journey, stories and photo blog have all inspired me to see Europe by road rather than missing it all by plane.

Iโ€™ve been encouraged to do the same longer term through Europe. Next month Iโ€™m heading off to Spain to start that journey.

I was wondering if any nomads here are on similar journeys? Does anyone motorcycle between cities setting up to work for a couple weeks then moving on?

If so, have you got any advice/tips for someone just starting that journey?

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Where should I register my company as a digital nomad? Singapore, Hong Kong?


in Singapore by @raphadk | 2yr 1 year ago | 14 comments

Hey guys, hereโ€™s a question Iโ€™ve been asking nomads I meet everywhere, but still havenโ€™t found good information. My startups mostly focus on american and european markets but I donโ€™t have a registered company, nor I live permanently on any of these countries.

I get the cash payments online in paypal (or adsense) and transfer it to Thailand (or Malaysia, or Bali, or Brazil, or wherever Iโ€™m at). The thing isโ€ฆ for low volume living expenses it seems fine, but as I scale the business, Iโ€™m starting to think more and more about fiscal law.

A fellow nomad told me to transfer it to Singapore, Hong Kong or The Virgin Islands, and then use an international credit card anywhere. I donโ€™t know if itโ€™s the best way to optimize thisโ€ฆ any ideas?

Also, could there be any problems in selling to these countries without a registered local company?

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Best online Bank for Digital Nomads


by @nilanjan | 2yr 2 years ago | 0 comments

Hi All,
Can you suggest a cheap but reliable online Bank for Nomads?
What I meant by " cheap" is decent " service charges".

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