Baku, Azerbaijan v.s. Tbilisi, Georgia
What are the pros and cons of both destinations for an new digital nomad ?
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| 🌍 Region | Europe |
| 🚩 Country | Georgia |
| ⏱ Average trip duration | 17 days |
| 📡 Internet speed (avg) | 11 Mbps |
| ⛅️ Weather (now) | 🌧 8°C 46°F + 💦 Damp (84%) = feels 7°C 45°F |
| 💨 Air quality (now) | 😷 158 US AQI = 🚬 🚬 / day |
| 💨 Air quality (annual avg) | 😷 149 US AQI = 🚬 🚬 / day |
| 🔌 Power | 230V50Hz |
| 🚕 Best taxi app (in country) | |
| 🚑 Travel medical insurance |  Safetywing |
| 📱 Best wireless carrier | Geocell |
| 💸 10 GEL in USD | USD 3.03 |
| 🏧 Suggested ATM take out: | GEL 1,000 = USD 303 |
| 💳 Cashless society | 💳 Yes, cards OK almost everywhere |
| 💻 Best coworking space | Cospot |
| 🏪 Best 24/7 coffee place | Le Biscuit |
| 🚰 Safe tap water | 🚫 No, not drinkable |
| ♻️ Return rate | 17% of visitors return |
| 👨👩👧👦 Population | 1,100,000 people |
| 👨👩👧👦 GDP per Capita | $3,651 / year |
| 🏞 Foreign land ownership allowed | Yes |
| 👫 Gender ratio (overall) | 👨 41% 👱♀️ 59% |
| 👫 Gender ratio (young adults) | 👨 55% 👱♀️ 45% |
| ⛪️ Religious government | Non-religious |
| 🏠 Apartment listings | Airbnb |
| ✈️ Best short-haul air carrier | Atlasjet |
| ✈️ Best int'l air carrier | Qatar |
| 💵 Cost of living for nomad | $1,175 / month |
| 💵 Cost of living for expat | $729 / month |
| 💵 Cost of living for family | $905 / month |
| 💵 Cost of living for local | $259 / month |
| 🏠 1br studio rent in center | $182 / month |
| 🏢 Coworking | $79 / month |
| 🏨 Hotel | $467 / month |
| 🏨 Hotel | $22 / night |
| 🏠 Airbnb (1,001 listings) | $1,260 / month |
| 🏠 Airbnb | $41 / night |
| 🍛 Dinner | $6 |
| 🥤 Coca-Cola (0.3L) | $0.25 |
| 🍺 Beer (0.5L) | $1 |
| ☕️ Coffee | $1 |
Baku, Azerbaijan v.s. Tbilisi, Georgia
What are the pros and cons of both destinations for an new digital nomad ?
I’d been thinking about going to Tbilisi myself, but it seems pretty difficult to get there from just about anywhere.
@suuzin I’d thought the same, but it turns out you can fly to Georgia for under $250 roundtrip from most places in Europe.
Examples:
Warsaw - Tbilisi $182 roundtrip https://www.google.com/flights/#search;f=WAW,WMI,RWA;t=TBS;d=2016-06-09;r=2016-06-13
Munich Tbilisi $229 roundtrip https://www.google.com/flights/#search;f=MUC,ZMU;t=TBS;d=2016-06-09;r=2016-06-13;sel=MUCSAW0PC320-SAWTBS0PC462,TBSSAW0PC463-SAWMUC0PC319
Thanks! It wasn’t just the price, but the crazy flight times… though that Munich flight looks not too bad. I’ll keep it in mind.
Anyone been to Azerbaijan lately and know if you can get a transit visa on arrival?
Tbilisi hands down. You can get a decent apartment for $400 a month there, and if you’re an entrepreneur it’s probably one of the best places in the world to start a business.
You can read a blog I wrote about life and business in Tbilisi here: http://nomadcapitalist.com/2015/09/21/country-the-next-america/.
I’m taking my flight from Tbilisi to Baku 
Tbilisi so far is the best place I’ve been to, I could stay here my whole life it’s a small scenic city, everything is cheap, public transport is good & convenient, great food, girls are beautiful, internet is fast, people are friendly (I’ve had a bunch of local friends now). And don’t miss trying Georgian wine when you come here.
I visited Tbilisi in September. It’s very affordable and the people are fairly friendly (though knowing some Russian or Georgian is helpful).
I haven’t been to Azerbaijan, mainly because the visa process was annoying for Canadians ($100 USD) and Baku is notoriously expensive (presumably due to the oil economy, though that may be better now with oil trading so low).
From what I hear, Armenia is great to visit and even more affordable than Georgia.
FYI: I have not been to either, but have visited all the neighboring countries.
That being said, I also know MANY people that have visited one or the other, or both.
Hands down, Tbilisi. 
Baku, Azerbaijan v.s. Tbilisi, Georgia
What are the pros and cons of both destinations for an new digital nomad ?
I’d been thinking about going to Tbilisi myself, but it seems pretty difficult to get there from just about anywhere.
@suuzin I’d thought the same, but it turns out you can fly to Georgia for under $250 roundtrip from most places in Europe.
Examples:
Warsaw - Tbilisi $182 roundtrip https://www.google.com/flights/#search;f=WAW,WMI,RWA;t=TBS;d=2016-06-09;r=2016-06-13
Munich Tbilisi $229 roundtrip https://www.google.com/flights/#search;f=MUC,ZMU;t=TBS;d=2016-06-09;r=2016-06-13;sel=MUCSAW0PC320-SAWTBS0PC462,TBSSAW0PC463-SAWMUC0PC319
Thanks! It wasn’t just the price, but the crazy flight times… though that Munich flight looks not too bad. I’ll keep it in mind.
Anyone been to Azerbaijan lately and know if you can get a transit visa on arrival?
Tbilisi hands down. You can get a decent apartment for $400 a month there, and if you’re an entrepreneur it’s probably one of the best places in the world to start a business.
You can read a blog I wrote about life and business in Tbilisi here: http://nomadcapitalist.com/2015/09/21/country-the-next-america/.
I’m taking my flight from Tbilisi to Baku Tbilisi so far is the best place I’ve been to, I could stay here my whole life it’s a small scenic city, everything is cheap, public transport is good & convenient, great food, girls are beautiful, internet is fast, people are friendly (I’ve had a bunch of local friends now). And don’t miss trying Georgian wine when you come here.
I visited Tbilisi in September. It’s very affordable and the people are fairly friendly (though knowing some Russian or Georgian is helpful).
I haven’t been to Azerbaijan, mainly because the visa process was annoying for Canadians ($100 USD) and Baku is notoriously expensive (presumably due to the oil economy, though that may be better now with oil trading so low).
From what I hear, Armenia is great to visit and even more affordable than Georgia.
FYI: I have not been to either, but have visited all the neighboring countries.
That being said, I also know MANY people that have visited one or the other, or both.
Hands down, Tbilisi.
✅ Affordable to live
✅ Pretty safe
✅ Fast internet
✅ Lots of fun stuff to do
✅ Warm in the spring
✅ Nomad List members liked going here a lot
✅ Many Nomad List members have been
✅ Spacious and not crowded
✅ Very easy to do business
✅ High quality of education
✅ Good hospitals
✅ Roads are pretty safe
✅ Freedom of speech
✅ Safe for women
❌ Cold now
❌ Gets cold in the winter
❌ Very damp now
❌ Bad air quality today
❌ Not many members right now
❌ Very difficult to make friends
❌ Not very democratic
❌ People don't speak English well
❌ Not family friendly
❌ Hostile towards LGBTQ+
❌ Many people smoke tobacco
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