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Should nomads travel into countries with war crime problems?


by @srg_b | 4yr  | 6 comments

Today I read an article about hundreds of thousands of Kurds who were misplaced and lost their homes during military siege of Kurdish cities Sur and Diyarbakir by the Turkish Army. Source below:

I was aware for some time now that the Turkish military is using excessive force against its Kurdish minority, especially after the military coup crackdown this summer. This is one of such articles

Now, looking from a broader perspective, do you think we should travel into countries which are going to use the tax money (which we will contribute to) to finance military campaigns with heavy human rights violations and consequences against civilian lives? Isnโ€™t that like crowdfunding war crime campaigns? How do other people observe such cases? This articleโ€™s focal point is Turkey, but I am sure there are many other countries around the world with similar problems.

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@justinbosco | 4yr

Iโ€™ve personally traveled to parts of Bosnia & Herzegovina, where a genocide occurred during the Balkans wars a little over a decade ago. Remnants of the war were still really visible outside of the tourist core of the city, which was incredible and sobering to see, but people just kind of went on with their lives around neighborhoods with bombed-out buildings. In terms of safety, I never felt unsafe during my time there, but that being said, I did stay in one of the nicest hotels in the city and didnโ€™t spend much time out after dark. Since many of the countries which have suffered war crimes still have depressed economies, Iโ€™d imagine youโ€™d probably have similar buying power in those types of places and be able to keep yourself out of bad areas, as terrible as that sounds.

Though I havenโ€™t had firsthand experience with it, Iโ€™ve heard from a friend whose spent lots of time in Africa that Rwanda is one of her favorite places on the continent despite going through a genocide as well.

I guess since your question focuses on the ethics of traveling to these places, Iโ€™d personally feel itโ€™s OK to visit a place in which war crimes occurred in the past, but I donโ€™t think Iโ€™d be jumping up and down to go somewhere thatโ€™s actively committing violations. Either way, coming back with an opinion of your own is an admirable thing to do.

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@nomadic-geek | 3yr

You mean Mostar? Where tourists go on day trips from Dubrovnik, It is hardly off the beaten path and I think you are being more a little dramatic here. It is perfectly safe to wonder round there in the dark.

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@srg_b | 4yr

Thanks for your contribution.
@nahemnahem poins above that in most cases part of our money will through tax go towards funding abuses or illegal military enterprises. While that is true, in the case of Turkey, for me personally, human rights abuses in that country and within their military enterprises are so evident and to such a large extent (this is my own political view with which some may or may not agree), that thereโ€™s a difference between travelling there, and to other countries with whose practices and military deployments we might not agree with, or consider abusive. And on one side, we would deprive ordinary people of tourist income, on the other, if we travel, we maintain status quo and business as usual. Thatโ€™s what makes this argument curious for me.

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@dpt | 4yr

Thereโ€™s two sides to that coin. On the one hand, youโ€™re funding the government to commit crimes, on the other hand youโ€™re also influencing the people you meet.

If youโ€™re a non-US Westerner than chances are that your country is seeking engagement with pretty much every country or territory in the world. Many European countries, for example, have engagement programs with the above-mentioned North Korea.

Iโ€™d argue that even in that case โ€œtourismโ€ is beneficial. I once got to talk to Andrei Lankov on a trip to Seoul, heโ€™s one of the top North Korea researchers there. His position was that pretty much any contact between the DPRK and the outside world would be beneficial for longtime change (i.e. North Koreans seeing perfectly normal and friendly Westerners that have cool gadgets that they donโ€™t have, etc.).

In the case of Turkey: on the one hand, the situation there is worsening in general, but if you can showcase your western liberal democratic values to the people there sway them to think about more openness, to be more accepting to LGBT people, to see that there are many perfectly decent Westerners and that we arenโ€™t depraved or anything, then I guess thatโ€™s a pretty good thing.

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@dvc | 4yr

I agree with the above (although I strongly disagree with their comments about Amnesty International).

Except for truly exceptional cases like North Korea, the vast majority of tourism money goes to ordinary people. Itโ€™s hard to buy anything completely ethically sourced in the 21st century. Cheap clothes? Child labor or unsafe, exploitative workplaces. Electronics? Metals from conflict areas. Tourism is no different. Some of the money you spend will almost always go to corrupt or downright evil people, but the majority wonโ€™t.

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@yuvalbarhai | 4yr

If you do that probably 80% of the world would be out of the question for you :slight_smile:
Also, take Turkey for example - whether what you read is true or not (I wouldnโ€™t trust one word that Amnesty says) - most people there are good people and you will be punishing them mostlyโ€ฆ

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in Switzerland by @filiptk | 2mo 2 months ago | 1 comment

Hi, I've got a question to anyone who had experience with the digital nomad lifestyle. I'm 24, I'm in my last year of university doing computer science, got 3 years of experience mostly doing web development.

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by @berberos | 4mo 3 months ago | 4 comments

Hi guys ! hope you are doing well.

I would love to get your feedback regarding the best insurance for digital nomads. i'm traveling around Asia since 1 year and for next 4 or 5 years. Would love to buy an insurance to cover especially :

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by @mattlock | 7mo 7 months ago | 33 comments

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by @al_steffen | 8mo 8 months ago | 59 comments

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by @rodriigovieira | 10mo 10 months ago | 19 comments

Hello everyone! Iโ€™m new here and probably this is a very newbie question, but it doesnโ€™t leave my head.

How do you, nomads, pay your taxes? I mean, if youโ€™re constantly traveling, how are you going to pay taxes for a certain country if you are going to stay there a short period of time?
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by @noam_lightstone | 11mo 10 months ago | 16 comments

Hey guys, this was my first year as a Canadian nomad.

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by @levelsio | 1yr 1 year ago | 61 comments

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by @brmolin | 1yr 1 year ago | 4 comments

I vaguely remember hearing about such a service before, but Iโ€™m drawing a blank on the name. Basically I left my tablet on a connecting flight in Europe, right before my main flight to Thailand. They have my tablet and are willing to ship it out for me, but people have warned me thereโ€™s a big risk of it getting โ€œlost in the mailโ€ if I ship something expensive like that to Thailand.

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by @gaelm | 1yr 1 year ago | 15 comments

Hi all, I was looking for a cool spot in Southern Europe for winter and Iโ€™m considering Sicilyโ€ฆ Have you ever been there? If yes, how was your experience? If not, why?
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Greetings!
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in Mauritius by @wakkos | 1yr 1 year ago | 14 comments

Hello all,

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Best way to connect with "local" nomads using Nomadlist?


by @migueltic | 1yr 1 year ago | 4 comments

Hi, Iโ€™ve seen that Nomad List offers different options that could work for connecting with other nomads that are in the same place as me (forum, Slack, user maps, matches and maybe even more options I havenโ€™t seen), but Iโ€™m not sure what is the best/recommended way to use all these options.

Should I use all of them? Start with a message in the forum and/or Slack?

Sending private messages to a lot of people feels a little bit โ€œaggressiveโ€. And matches are not based on current location if I understood it correctly.

By the way, I just arrived at Budapest :slight_smile:

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by @tylertringas | 1yr 1 year ago | 12 comments

Iโ€™m surprised this isnโ€™t anywhere on the forum yet. But just a pro tip for Americans about to start a nomad adventure. T-mobile offers unlimited SMS & data in 120 countries for FREE with any of their (already pretty cheap) plans. Itโ€™s ideal if you plan to be back in the US for any part of the year, but I honestly would consider it even if youโ€™re going to be entirely out of the country.

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by @sparrow_23 | 1yr 1 year ago | 16 comments

I have been a digital nomad for the last couple of years. I have always worked in tech and now run a couple of profitable online businesses that give me a reliable income and allow me to fund a nomadic lifestyle.

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a) I donโ€™t want to keep wasting my money in renting apartments across the cities I stay

b) I believe in properties as investment and I want to diversify my investment portfolio (mainly stocks)

After years of constant wander from one place to another, now I am the type of digital nomad who sticks to few locations: I mainly rotate across 4 places each year (San Francisco, Medellin, Berlin, Bali). Buying a house in each of those location would be difficult and too expensive. Therefore, I was wondering if there was any sort of service that combines an investment opportunity with the ability to access different properties around the world (even if just for a limited time per year) ?

Imagine living in 4 cities per year and having a house in each place that you can exclusively use for 3 months and at the same time having your investment growing (this depending on the market, of course). Wouldnโ€™t that be great? I believe it could be done via a property fund selling you a share and giving you access to some of their properties for a limited timeframe each year.

Has anyone heard of anything like that?

Thanks!

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