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| ⭐️ Total score | 16 reviews |
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| 😝 Fun | |
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| 👌 Safety | |
| 👮♀️ Lack of crime* | |
| 🤝 Lack of racism* | |
| 🎓 Education level* | |
| ⚡️ Power grid | |
| 🌊 Vulnerability to climate change | |
| 💰 Income level* | |
| 🙊 English speaking* | |
| 🚶 Walkability | |
| ✌️ Peace (no pol. conflict) | |
| 🚦 Traffic safety* | |
| 🏥 Hospitals | |
| 😄 Happiness* | |
| 🍸 Nightlife | |
| 📶 Free WiFi in city | |
| 🖥 Places to work from | |
| ❄️ A/C or heating | |
| 😁 Friendly to foreigners | |
| 🗯 Freedom of speech* | |
| 👩 Female friendly | |
| 🌈 LGBTQ+ friendly | |
| 🎅 Startup Score |
| 🌍 Continent | Europe |
| 🚩 Country | Ukraine |
| ⏱ Average trip length | 32 days |
| 📡 Internet speed (avg) | 29 Mbps |
| ⛅️ Weather (now) |
🌥 2°C 35°F + 💦 Damp (89%) = feels 0°C 0°F
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| 💨 Air quality (now) | 👎😷 78 US AQI = 🚬 / day |
| 🔌 Power | 230V 50Hz |
| 🚕 Best taxi app* |
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| 🚑 Travel medical insurance |
Safetywing
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| 💸 100 UAH in USD | USD 2.71 |
| 🏧 Suggested ATM take out: | UAH 10,000 = USD 271 |
| 💸 Tipping | Yes, 10% |
| 💳 Cashless | 💳 Yes, cards OK almost everywhere |
| 🚰 Tap water | 🚫 No, not drinkable |
| ♻️ Return rate | 👍12% of visitors return |
| 👨👩👧👦 Population | 990,000 people |
| 👨👩👧👦 GDP per capita* | $2,099 / year |
| 🏞 Foreign land ownership allowed | Yes |
| ⛪️ Religious government | Non-religious |
| 💻 Online electronics shop | Rozetka |
| 🏠 Apartment listings | Airbnb |
| ✈️ Best short-haul air carrier | Ukraine International |
| ✈️ Best int'l air carrier | Ukraine International |
| 💵 Cost of living for nomad | $1,219 / month |
| 💵 Cost of living for expat | $773 / month |
| 💵 Cost of living for family | $1,593 / month |
| 💵 Cost of living for local | $455 / month |
| 🏨 Hotel (median price) | $595 / month |
| 🏡 Airbnb (median price) | $1,063 / month |
| 🏠 1br studio rent in center | $407 / month |
| 🏨 Hotel (median price) | $28 / night |
| 🏠 Airbnb (median price) | $35 / night |
| 🏢 Coworking hot desk | $235 / month |
| 🍛 Dinner | $3 |
| 🥤 Coca-Cola (0.3L) | $1 |
| 🍺 Beer (0.5L) | $1 |
| ☕️ Coffee | $1 |
| 💰 Estimated tax on $50,000 | $2,500 |
| 💰 Estimated tax on $100,000 | $5,000 |
| 💰 Estimated tax on $250,000 | $12,500 |
✅ Affordable to live
✅ Pretty safe
✅ Fast internet
✅ Good air quality usually
✅ Spacious and not crowded
✅ Easy to make friends
✅ Easy to do business
✅ High quality of education
✅ Roads are pretty safe
❌ Freedom of speech is weak
❌ Not very democratic
❌ Not much to do
❌ Cold now
❌ Gets cold in the winter
❌ Very damp now
❌ People don't speak English well
❌ Not safe for women
❌ Not family friendly
❌ Hostile towards LGBTQ+
❌ Many people smoke tobacco
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21° mild |
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31° hot |
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22° mild |
57
14° cool |
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| Humidity |
damp 86% |
damp 84% |
damp 71% |
nice 67% |
nice 60% |
nice 67% |
nice 63% |
nice 53% |
nice 55% |
nice 70% |
damp 80% |
damp 86% |
| Rain |
dry 47mm |
dry 40mm |
dry 41mm |
rainy 54mm |
rainy 52mm |
rainy 161mm |
dry 38mm |
dry 35mm |
rainy 57mm |
dry 2mm |
dry 33mm |
rainy 60mm |
| Cloud |
cloudy 88% |
overcast 92% |
cloudy 74% |
cloudy 74% |
cloudy 73% |
cloudy 63% |
pockets 29% |
cloudy 55% |
cloudy 51% |
cloudy 53% |
cloudy 77% |
overcast 93% |
| Air quality |
bad 0 US AQI |
clean 0* US AQI |
clean 40 US AQI |
okay 51 US AQI |
clean 0* US AQI |
clean 23 US AQI |
clean 0* US AQI |
okay 67 US AQI |
clean 0* US AQI |
clean 0* US AQI |
clean 0* US AQI |
clean 0* US AQI |
| Sun |
safe 1 UVI |
safe 1 UVI |
safe 2 UVI |
safe 2 UVI |
seek shade 4 UVI |
safe 3 UVI |
avoid sun 7 UVI |
seek shade 5 UVI |
safe 2 UVI |
safe 2 UVI |
safe 1 UVI |
safe 1 UVI |
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Everyone here walks day and night, so it never feels very unsafe. Even women walk at night, even though the lighting is bad, and the infrastructure is poor. Sidewalks are crumbling, there is much trash and it is a dilapidated industrial city. The people seem pretty miserable, but they are friendly enough to foreigners and nice to Americans. Like much of Ukraine, the dollar goes a long way here, so you can be pampered and eat well very cheap. The 2 biggest problems are (1) there isn't much t
⭐️ All 💵 Cost 📡 😀 Fun 👮 Safety 🌥 Feels 1° 34° 3° 37° AQI 78 😷 ✈️11min $1,335 / mo 13 Mbps
As a person who’s born here and knows the place well I can give some valuable tips and share a biased view 😄 The city and people are great if you know how to navigate it. If you don’t know, it’s a big problem. Have an advice from the local, it’s important ⚠️ You should have a key for great experience in Kharkiv, get it! 🔑 WHY KHARKIV? Cool, well-educated people with own opinion, business-minded, direct. You’ll not find old historical buildings here the city was rebuilt ground
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It is a really nice city, as a resort, it has really cool vibe going on and the overall impression that it is a lively city, especially in the summer. The old town is really beautiful, the nightlife is also great. Can't remember the last time I had such a good nightlife experience, the bars and clubs are at a high level. Overall everyday people are friendly and nice to talk, however, about 50 percent don't speak English. I was lucky that I know some Russian, in some places which are highly rated
⭐️ All 💵 Cost 📡 😀 Fun 👮 Safety ✈️31min $1,225 / mo 45 Mbps
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Kyiv is a seriously not a good place for nomads to stay in. People don't speak english and are not friendly to foreigners at all, either you're white, asian, black, arab, latino, whatever. Food isn't really good specially when it comes to delivery, expensive and tasteless. The metro is cheap which is a good thing, and there is a nice architecture and places to go to.
⭐️ All 💵 Cost 📡 😀 Fun 👮 Safety 🌨 Feels -2° 28° 1° 34° AQI 78 😷 ✈️32min $1,172 / mo 20 Mbps
This is my hometown and a city I lived in for around 20 years of my life. If you want a place with a climate much warmer that Moscow and lower prices - look no further. This town would be great for you. In terms of speaking the language - you need to know Russian at certain degree, otherwise it might a bit a hard for you to navigate in the city. The main street of the city is Krasnaya street and you can take a bike and go through the whole street and enjoy the beauty and the peace of the city.
⭐️ All 💵 Cost 📡 😀 Fun 👮 Safety 🌤 Feels 4° 39° 5° 42° AQI 69 ✈️39min $1,632 / mo 11 Mbps
I'am from Chisihau. Response for previos message("Good before..") : prices rise because natural gas price was 3Lei(0.16USD) and now is 21Lei(1.1USD). Petrol was 0.9USD now 1.3USD. Refugees from Ukraine rised rent prices. 17/10/2022 nomadlist writes that cost of living is 1900USD. Crazy. Rent good-normal (imho) flat in center is 350EUR htt ps://999 .md/ ru/78274199 + utilities + home made food from 185 to 250usd. +200 fun. Finally 800$ in winter when high utilities price!
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Adler is close, it's the beach resort where most Russians flock making it extremely busy. Very walkable despite it's rating, especially in the centre and adler.
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It's quite boring. Not many things to do here. The beaches aren't clean. The place only seems lively in the summer. The rest of the year, most local businesses close their shops because there are no more tourists. Only malls are open all year. Most people don't speak English, so you are not likely to connect with people here. Many other cities in Romania like Bucharest (where I currently live), Cluj and Timisoara have much more to give.
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In summer prices go up like crazy! Mamaia rentals are as high as New York in summer months because rich Bucharest spend their money there. Mamaia beach is beautiful but very crowded.
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Kyiv is a seriously not a good place for nomads to stay in. People don't speak english and are not friendly to foreigners at all, either you're white, asian, black, arab, latino, whatever. Food isn't really good specially when it comes to delivery, expensive and tasteless. The metro is cheap which is a good thing, and there is a nice architecture and places to go to.
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It is a really nice city, as a resort, it has really cool vibe going on and the overall impression that it is a lively city, especially in the summer. The old town is really beautiful, the nightlife is also great. Can't remember the last time I had such a good nightlife experience, the bars and clubs are at a high level. Overall everyday people are friendly and nice to talk, however, about 50 percent don't speak English. I was lucky that I know some Russian, in some places which are highly rated
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Honestly, this is an awesome place to be if you're actually trying to get work done. It's a bit of an older vibe than Canggu, and there's certainly a big chunk of yogi's kicking around — but I liked it much better than Canggu and found it less pretentious. Plus, you can drive down there in 45mins whenever you want some beach or party vibes. As others mentioned, there's some great coworking spaces, cheap warungs, some really nice spots to stay cheaply if you go just outside of the mad tourist
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Seoul has many good things in every perspective. Safety! IT infra! Food! many shops until night, Super fast Delivery, Kind and fast service, Hip places opens in every minute, Kind & Educated people(Education in Seoul is crazy, almost social issue), and even nature everywhere(huge river, mountains are in the city, you can easily find mountains to climb)
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The center around Rynok Square was awesome with scenic views, street performers, interesting and creative restaurants, places to grab a beer/wine, coffee shops, pedestrian areas, etc. During the school year one out of five people in Lviv are students and so it definitely has a college town vibe. Personally I think it's Ukraine's best city and I found the cost of living value ratio to be superb. The co-working space I went to (iHub) had a good mix of locals and foreign digital nomads.
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Dubai is good if you’ve figured out a way to pay 0 income tax and live in 2 places (away doing vacations during the summer) - bonus if you don’t spend money on alcohol. Nightlife is amazing, especially if you’re a woman. Free unlimited drinks for ladies, open bar, no catch, in two clubs in Media One Tower on Thursday. There is no place in the world that offers this. My female friends love Dubai because of these types of deals lol. The easiest way to waste money here is by buying drinks.
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An interesting place which has a decent Russian-speaking community from post-Soviet republics. Pros: - quite affordable - proximity to the sea/beach (plenty of condos 2-4 mins walking distance) - Fiber Internet (50mbps is easy to get) Cons: - limited food options (Turkish cuisine) - really slow at times (might be a pro for some) - no coworking spaces
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Nomading here is tough because there are no reasonable Airbnbs and finding a short-term apt is difficult. You have to ask yourself, is it worth coming to Barcelona? It's probably the dirtiest city in Spain, and a bit sketchy. There's more beautiful and cleaner cities like Seville where you can find a reasonably priced Airbnb.
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We have been living here for 18 months, really love it, it took a while for the island to recover from Covid but general economic activity is back to say 60-70% now and we have two groups for digital nomads (meet monthly or so at various locations) and one for tech startups (Startup Samui on fb meets weekly) plus a few small coworking spaces and friendly cafes for nomads popping up. Our living costs are about $600/month for rent two bedroom+ house near beach and about the same again for food and
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Thessaloniki is a city spread over the hills by the side of the Aegean. A cultural crossroads since Byzantine times, it has amazing cuisine and is full of reasonably priced tavernas and restaurants. Full of neo-classical buildings, there are lots of great living options available close to the city center and beyond. The pace of life is stately or as locals call it "hallarah" and most are not in a rush. There is a nice film festival in the Fall and many other public celebrations.
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Touristy circus of a place. Everyone is trying to rip you off... even as fluent Spanish speaker. Check out PV or anywhere west coast instead.
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It is a really nice city, as a resort, it has really cool vibe going on and the overall impression that it is a lively city, especially in the summer. The old town is really beautiful, the nightlife is also great. Can't remember the last time I had such a good nightlife experience, the bars and clubs are at a high level. Overall everyday people are friendly and nice to talk, however, about 50 percent don't speak English. I was lucky that I know some Russian, in some places which are highly rated
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Kyiv is a seriously not a good place for nomads to stay in. People don't speak english and are not friendly to foreigners at all, either you're white, asian, black, arab, latino, whatever. Food isn't really good specially when it comes to delivery, expensive and tasteless. The metro is cheap which is a good thing, and there is a nice architecture and places to go to.
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The center around Rynok Square was awesome with scenic views, street performers, interesting and creative restaurants, places to grab a beer/wine, coffee shops, pedestrian areas, etc. During the school year one out of five people in Lviv are students and so it definitely has a college town vibe. Personally I think it's Ukraine's best city and I found the cost of living value ratio to be superb. The co-working space I went to (iHub) had a good mix of locals and foreign digital nomads.
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Taxis in Istanbul are a big problem even for locals. Public transport is convenient and comfortable. If you need to call a taxi, I recommend using an app. "Bitaksi" can be used. Agree with the taxi driver using google translate and negotiate in advance if necessary. Always make public transportation your first choice. There are millions of refugees in this city against a registered population of 15 million. A significant number of asylum seekers do not have any registered documents and this cre
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Incredible city for nomads. In autumn/winter you'll have to deal with the cold, but there's still stuff going on. - Using the tram and uber was rare. Stay in Kazimierz or Stare Miasto and you get anywhere interesting in
⭐️ All 💵 Cost 📡 😀 Fun 👮 Safety 🌧 Feels -2° 28° 2° 35° AQI 28 ✈️1h $2,585 / mo 🌇 Also went here37 people
Extremely boring and uppity. Like others say, how on earth does everything close at 8pm? Even restaurants close their kitchen around 9pm ON WEEKENDS. The people really have this "arrogant, uppity" vibe that makes you want to leave ASAP. Yes, architecture is incredible. It's walkable, transportation works, etc. Incredibly expensive. I see no reason why would anyone choose Vienna to Budapest or Prague as their base. Good for 2-3 days trip, nothing else.
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I am a Greek living abroad just the last couple of years. I accidentally discovered this page and noticed the comments below. What I can recommend to people considering living in Athens is to explore places a bit outside of the city center. I agree with people that there are many areas very close to the city center that are dirty and perhaps not very safe to walk around at night. Explore areas like Glyfada, Voula, Kifisia, Marousi, Psychiko, Marousi and you will be amazed with how different it i
⭐️ All 💵 Cost 📡 😀 Fun 👮 Safety ☀️ Feels 13° 55° 13° 56° AQI 164 😷 ✈️2h $3,897 / mo 🌇 Also went here39 people
I've been hanging out in Berlin on and off for 30 years. It is very safe for women. It is much friendlier than it used to be. There are loads of vegan restaurants now. The nightlife and specially jazz clubs are amazing! I have an excellent apartment to rent out in Wedding - which used to have a boring reputation but now is very cool.
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One of my favourite places to visit. Best vegetarian food in the world.
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A top city. Everything works, beautiful greenery (hehe), cycling everywhere, happy people, great nightlife... Lots to love about. For nomads? Not a chance. Price of housing is outrageous, and the city is expensive af. They charge you 4.5-5 eur for a capuccino, completely shameless. An hour of public transport is 3 euros. I could go on and on. I'd love to live there, but it's not worth it.
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Lived there last September and October and am coming back later this year. Yes, it is expensive, but after a while I learned about affordable places to eat and realized I could choose neighborhoods farther from city center, and it would still be nice. City feels super safe, even at nigh! Internet is crazy fast (I got 500mb on my airbnb) there are tons to do and see and I did not encounter the super rude Parisians people talk so much about, mostly everyone spoke English and were very polite. Rent
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Nomading here is tough because there are no reasonable Airbnbs and finding a short-term apt is difficult. You have to ask yourself, is it worth coming to Barcelona? It's probably the dirtiest city in Spain, and a bit sketchy. There's more beautiful and cleaner cities like Seville where you can find a reasonably priced Airbnb.
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Just arrived in KL, we are 30/35yrs+, a married couple and digital nomads, and wow.. What a city! This is the New York City of Asia. These appartments are epic. Grand views, very affordable, luxurious! You would pay 10-fold for the same deal in NYC or Tokyo or Dubai. And the food is fantastic. Indian, Malay, Indo, Chinese, American, European. The world is here!
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i stayed in BA for a few months and it firmly wasn't for me. It's a beautiful city and comically cheap for the quality of food / goods / services. People are rude and accomodation is pretty bad. Plus with the inflation of the dollar to peso (3x the buying power for foreigners) it was getting dangerous when I left. (I think someone tried to kill the vice president last week) Excellent to visit, not great to live.
⭐️ All 💵 Cost 📡 😀 Fun 👮 Safety 🌥 Feels 30° 86° 27° 80° AQI 9 ✈️17h $1,864 / mo 🌇 Also went here39 peopleNo members are here right now. If you are, add it as a trip and you'll show up here!
