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To those of you that aren't technical, what do you do to earn money?

 

by @theblakemoore | 5yr  | 27 comments

Hey guys!

Iโ€™m new around here and thought Iโ€™d ask a question Iโ€™ve been wondering for a while now. Iโ€™m set to sample the nomadic lifestyle soon and Iโ€™m currently trying to define what my skillset is, and what Iโ€™m going to do long term.

Iโ€™m sure many of you have been through this, but itโ€™s difficult knowing what youโ€™re good at! Iโ€™m not a developer and I know there must be so many of you that arenโ€™t working in technical roles. So I was just curious, for those of you that arenโ€™t developers (or even those of you that are with an additional side-hussle) what do you do to earn money on the road?

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@theguy | 3yr

I own several wordpress sites where I do drop-shipping business on which is going quite well for me! Thanks to Facebook ads for marketing!

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Copywriting, customer service/email correspondence, and transcription at times.

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@theblakemoore | 4yr

Thanks for re-opening this @elisha!

So my nomadic journey is still going strong. Iโ€™ve done some pretty varied stuff over the past 8/9 months. I started off freelancing on PeoplePerHour and Upwork but didnโ€™t really make much money from that (competition was crazy).

I then went on a bit of a mission to pick up a remote job, and I did. I was working on a growth executive with a startup based out of NYC for 6 months. I learnt a tonne and felt I made some real steps forward in an industry I really enjoy!

I recently finished up on that though, because travelling around a tonne has really sparked my entrepreneurial spirit and I really want to start something on my own. This has been helped a lot by being in Chiang Mai for the last couple of months, there are so many business owners here who are killing it. I couldnโ€™t help myself.

So now Iโ€™ve just launched my own business called Websitely (www.websitely.co) that is a Wordpress design agency. Idea is to apply to same growth hacking principles I learnt in my previous contract to this and see what happens.

In terms of the money, Iโ€™ve got a pretty decent runway by being pretty frugal and some cash stored in the bank, so Iโ€™ve got a few months to make it happen.

So happy I made the jump though. I know working out on the way isnโ€™t for everyone and I wouldnโ€™t advise you necessarily do it the way I am doing it. One thing I did take away though is that you can learn as much (if not more) through a remote job than you can in a traditional office environment. I had so much responsibility and autonomy it was crazy. I became really strong on the project management side of things too, as planning and implementation was key when you werenโ€™t in the same location as the rest of the team!

If youโ€™ve got any more questions about anything, hit me up!

Also I was actually just interviewed for a podcast about my journey so far, if youโ€™re interested, check it out: https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/01-blake-moore-on-growthhacking/id1130647335?i=1000371784277&mt=2 :slight_smile:

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@carolynhoney | 5yr

Iโ€™m a coach and I teach online courses on writing and practical magic.

I work with clients on Skype and I teach via webinar and Facebook groups.

Itโ€™s a pretty awesome location-independent life, and I couldnโ€™t code to save my life :wink:

I guess I have โ€œtechโ€ skills in the sense that I can set up wordpress websites and email marketing funnels, but it only took me a month or two to learn to do that, and also itโ€™s totally possible to just hire folks to build business websites for you of course.

So yes, thereโ€™s plenty of options for nomadic work that donโ€™t involve tech skillz.

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@sonia | 5yr

same here. I am a psychotherapist and instead of working in a private practice back home, I am now doing my counselling/therapy trough skype.

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@chelseaannefox | 5yr

When I decided to go down this path, I really wondered what I would do to put all those beers in my hand while overseas. I donโ€™t have any tech skills and did feel kind of lost and hopeless when looking for remote/freelance jobs. After a month or so of kicking ideas around in my office, I kind of woke up and realized I could just keep doing what I was doing, but as a freelancer. So I became a freelance attorney. I just told people I met through my career what I was doing, signed up on some websites, and the work started coming in! I think everyone has a skill set, or work experience, that they can translate to an income to live the lifestyle. Itโ€™s just a matter of figuring out what it is, and how to market it.

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@yeoa | 5yr

Just asked this as my question in my introduction @blake and I often wonder the same thing. Reading all the responses here, it seems writing/blogging/translating are the common themes but what @gigigriffis and @ani rightly pointed out, it definitely isnโ€™t an easy way to make money for a few reasons.

Iโ€™m personally a freelance food writer (Iโ€™ve been writing for free on the side just because I love trying new food) as it is but what Iโ€™ve found is:

  • Once you use it to pay bills, it becomes quite a chore to churn out words onto a page especially if thatโ€™s not your background
  • Standing out from the crowd is not the easiest job and hitting deadlines sucks
  • Iโ€™ve never asked, but Iโ€™m not 100% sure the money you make is necessarily scalable enough to support the lifestyle unless youโ€™re quite professional - aka. the ramp up time is quite steep

Those are my thoughts anyway, not to say itโ€™s impossible, but it does seem much more difficult which is why Iโ€™m trying to find other alternatives. Learning to code/develop might not be a bad skill set to have in the long run.

Iโ€™d love to hear what others have to say outside of translating/writing - like consultancy services they may have started and their journey to success from there?

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@voskovek | 5yr

Iโ€™m a 3D Designer. I work mostly with architectural visualization and product rendering (most of my clients in this area are Amazon sellers).

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@waywardjay | 3yr

I am interested in hearing more, if you could entertain my curiosity. 3D CAD drafting design?
I ask because the vast majority of my engineering experience that can most easily be translated to a nomadic lifestyle is in CAD drafting or the like. Is this work free-lanced based?

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@voskovek | 3yr

I work mostly with architectural visualization and also rendering products for different purposes (e-shops and Amazon listings, printed marketing material, packaging, etc). I work as a freelancer, I have a few clients that constantly provide me with projects. Itโ€™s a bit tricky sometimes because everywhere I travel I need a very fast internet connectionโ€ฆ

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@amy | 5yr

Iโ€™m a quality assurance engineer and software tester. Iโ€™m not technical at all but I do know my way around computers a bit.

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@anon36270473 | 5yr

I am freelance writer for students who buy essay here usa and this job allow me to earn good money without spending much time on it.

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I work as a customer support/service agent and a virtual travel agent/planner, as well as managing my family and friends with their holiday rentals business in Croatia (e.g. managing properties on Airbnb and other portals, communicating with guests, giving advice etc.)

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@patrick | 5yr

I work as a designer to help brand with their branding.

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@sarab | 5yr

hi!

I am also a translator (more localiser for games and apps) and a copywriter/writer. I do English-Italian and separately English and Italian writing, being bilingual.

I could have been (and partly have been) a nomad from the start, several years ago.

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@lucinda | 5yr

I write! not even a blog, I write fiction and sell my work mostly on Amazon. I am a firm believer in โ€œanyone can do thisโ€.

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@lukeofkondor | 5yr

This is something Iโ€™d love to do more of. Iโ€™m going to be self-pubbing some Sci-Fi stuff in the new year.

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@lucha54 | 5yr

I do Virtual assistant workโ€ฆ research, Wordpress setup, SEO, copy editing, graphic design, customer service, business development. Right now itโ€™s a lot of social media managing and campaigns (Pinterest in particular).

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@ld | 5yr

I read a LOT of travel / DN blogs and so many of them write for their blog, for other publications, other blogs etc, with NO prior experience as a writer. And itโ€™s how they make money! It seems that as a traveler, your perspective is already in demand, so much so that writing experience or skills fall second to being in a cool location that someone wants you to write about. After I learned this, it was really a, โ€œwow, anyone can do thisโ€ realization :slight_smile:

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@gigigriffis | 5yr

This is pretty misleading. Iโ€™m a career writer and I know a lot of other writers and itโ€™s a tough thing to get into unless youโ€™re already talented/skilled. I worry when I see all this info about there about how โ€œeasyโ€ it isโ€ฆI have yet to meet a writer that was able to make ends meet without either full-time work experience as a writer or at least two years of writing for free/very little pay before they started getting paid.

If you are a skilled and talented writer and love doing it, by all means, go for it! But please donโ€™t think itโ€™s an easy way to become a nomad or make money.

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@ani_goes_tweet | 5yr

Agreed. The same goes for being a literary translator. You have to be a skillful and sensitive writer as well as have an excellent command of the languages involved. When I first started out, I had live on next to nothing, and even now I have to supplement my translation (itโ€™s all literary - commercial translation is a different story) with proofreading and editing work to make sure Iโ€™ve got something to invoice for at the end of the month.

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@levelsio | 5yr

Hey @Blake, I just added a non-tech category to Remote OK: https://remoteok.io/remote-non-tech-jobs.

Thereโ€™s now more non-tech jobs than ever, including copywriting, community management and sales. Before Iโ€™d say โ€œlearn to codeโ€, but maybe this is a better way!

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@wanderingdev | 5yr

there was a thread about this recently that you might find helpful.

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@ani_goes_tweet | 5yr

Iโ€™m a translator and copy editor/proofreader. In order to support myself when I went freelance, I took on long-term house-sits; now that the money is more regular, Iโ€™m renting (cheaply) more often than house-sitting.

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@lucha54 | 5yr

What language do you translate? Iโ€™m a non technical DN as well and I love working with words (although no creative writing). Where do you find proofreading work?

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@ani_goes_tweet | 5yr

Lucha, I translate from Russian, and itโ€™s pretty much all literary translation. The proofreading and copy editing work is mostly commercial and has come through the translation connection - I review texts translated principally from the Scandinavian languages, but also from other languages, as well as those written by non-native speakers of English. All of the work has come through word of mouth.

I see that youโ€™re a virtual assistant with a broad range of skills on offer!

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@lucha54 | 5yr

Cool that you speak Russian! I can do Spanish --> English translations but Iโ€™m not unique in that respectโ€ฆ

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What are some nice French beach towns?

 

in France by @amin | 14h 14 hours ago | 4 comments

I'm thinking to head over to France during the winter and I'm looking for recommendations on a good French town that has beach and is warm enough during the winter.

What are your favourites? Any recommendation is appreciated.

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Where do I get good legal advice/support to have a long-term stay?

 

in Lisbon, Portugal by @mzorrilla | 2d 1 day ago | 0 comments

Hello, everyone!

My idea is to stay as low as 6 months and as long as a year (maybe, who knows) over Lisbon after doing some analysis from many cities in Europe.

I'm an Argentinian and Chilean (both nationalities) so... no Euro-pass for me (getting my Italian nationality could take 2 years easily). I'm also a remote worker and I have a really good income (I work for a Silicon Valley company) so I can show more than enough resources to stay in the country.

Everything I see online doesn't inspire me much confidence (most sites looks a bit scammy) and this is not a "vacation stay"... I want to be clear my head far away from Argentina right now. If someone has a good website, recommendations, etc I will super appreciate.

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What is the best online insurance for digital nomads ?


by @berberos | 4d 4 days ago | 4 comments

Hi guys ! hope you are doing well.

I would love to get your feedback regarding the best insurance for digital nomads. i'm traveling around Asia since 1 year and for next 4 or 5 years. Would love to buy an insurance to cover especially :

- health

- laptop, phone ...

- Flights

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Driving from Italy to Croatia..how to handle passport?


in Croatia by @ld | 11d 11 days ago | 3 comments

Hello, we are US citizens that have been able to stay in Italy past our standard visa stay due to covid. Now we must leave. We want to drive to Croatia as our โ€œout of EUโ€ stay. But Iโ€™m now wondering what considerations I need to take care of for my visa. I wonโ€™t go through an airport and get my passport stamped. But I assume I need to get my passport stamped as a way to prove Iโ€™m out of the EU.

Anyone else travel in and out of Schengen zone via car? Or know what I should do to properly handle the visa situation? I get unclear answers online. Hmm.

Appreciate your help!

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Introduce yourself โ€” who are you, where are you and what do you do?

 

by @coffeeshopceo | 16d 15 days ago | 672 comments

tl;dr: introduce yourself in this thread.

We must all get sick of the same backpacker travel questions when we meet new friends, I know I do.

You know the ones - where are you from, whereโ€™ve you been, where are you going, what do you do, how long have you been doing it - etc.

The novelty of answering these questions wears off after maybe a week, but theyโ€™re nonetheless insightful and no matter how much we hate them, we find ourselves asking others.

So letโ€™s bring the dreaded backpacker questionnaire to NomadForum and introduce ourselves shall we?

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  • whatโ€™s your name?
  • where are you from?
  • how long have you been away from home?
  • what do you do?
  • where are you currently?
  • where are you going?
  • what has been memorable for you so far?
  • will you go home anytime soon?
  • what have you learnt during your time as a nomad?
  • [insert your own question here]

**

No need to answer them all if you donโ€™t want to :smile:
But the more you shareโ€ฆ The merrier!

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Best/quickest way from Italy to Croatia?


in Croatia by @ld | 17d 17 days ago | 3 comments

Hello,

We are in Umbria until August 31. We've been here since March, but crisis-level visa extensions are over. After that we have to leave the EU. We would like to stay out of the USA (our home) due to it's covid crisis, at the same time we want to be responsible about travel. Ideally we would not travel at all, rather stay hidden in the countryside of Umbria forever until covid is more under control globally, but here we are!

So we must leave the Schengen zone. We should avoid USA. We should avoid long air travel.

We were thinking Croatia.

Do you recommend a route to Croatia? We are open to long train rides. Ideally not long ferry rides. Is there a ferry route under 4 hours? I read about it...I don't see it. If not, the other option is to make our way north and up over to Croatia via train.

I'd appreciate your thoughts and insights!

Thanks.

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Where should I set up my company as a remote worker?


by @beloruchka | 22d 21 days ago | 6 comments

Iโ€™m looking for any recommendations for services or people others have used to get answers on the best place to set up their businesses based on their personal circumstances.

Leaning towards Singapore after a ton of research, but would really like some concrete advice before jumping in.

Appreciate it!

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Anybody bring their car to Mexico instead of flying?


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Iโ€™m curious whether anyone drove to Mexico instead of flying and used their car down there. Iโ€™ve heard bad stories of people driving down there but not sure I believe them. How safe is it to drive through rural areas, and to park in cities? It would be cool to have the car to explore while there.

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Did you learn any Thai before staying in Chiang Mai?


in Chiang Mai, Thailand by @digitaldiva | 22d 22 days ago | 0 comments

Iโ€™m curious to know how many people learned some Thai before going there. Learning languages is a hobby of mine but Iโ€™m very put off by how complex the writing system is, and if I decide not to learn it Iโ€™ll probably cross Chiang Mai off my bucket list. I prefer to be at least conversational in a language before I do an extended stay in a country. Iโ€™m curious how people who learned no Thai did getting by. And Iโ€™m curious, from people who did learn some, if itโ€™s any easier than it seems? Thanks!

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What age did you start out and went location independent?


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Eager to find out what age most start out as a DN? (Me)โ€ฆ 27 and just started out in the last 6 months or so. Not presently 100% location independent, probably more like 90% as still required to visit the office from time to time

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Anyone wants to learn to sail in the Mediterranean? (Sep or Oct)


by @viktor | 1mo 1 month ago | 1 comment

I'm thinking about taking a sailing (yachting) course in the Mediterranean Sea this coming September or October. Thus far from my research, it seems that most courses are held in locations with not many digital nomads. My thinking is that it would be more fun to go to a place with like-minded people. Therefore, I'm wondering if anyone else is interested in taking a sailing course in the Mediterranean this fall? If not, do you know a location that offers good sailing courses, where there is also many digital nomads / nomad infrastructure?

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Iโ€™m looking to spend 1-3 months in Alicante or Valencia this fall and would like to take a Spanish class there.

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Good Place to Exercise and Learn to Paint?


by @superquest | 3yr 2 years ago | 0 comments

Hi everybody.

I want to spend a month or two learning to paint and exercising intensely. I know, itโ€™s kind of a random question but maybe someone here can help. Below a little more detail about what Iโ€™m looking for.

Painting

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  • Cultural inspiration โ€“ art museum, for example
  • Some kind of non-academic visual art school would be ideal

Exercise

  • Not a gym
  • Outdoor exercise is more enjoyable to me than indoor
  • Preferably not yoga
  • Never tried martial arts, but Iโ€™m open to it

If you have any suggestion please share!

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What are some good Spanish language learning resources?


by @anon82020850 | 3yr 2 years ago | 8 comments

Hey all,

I am planning to move over to South America next year, and in preparation I want to start learning Spanish.

I have started working with Duolingo, but would love to hear some advice from others in the community as to resources (apps, podcasts etc) that will help with this? Does anyone else have any suggestion as to what worked for you?

I am under no illusion that an app or podcast will probably not make me speak the language particularly well, but it will at least place me in a better position than if I made no effort to learn the language.

Once I am between native speakers and have more opportunity to practice I am sure I will improve a lot, but for now I am looking into getting a bit of a jumpstart.

Thanks :smile:

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How are you earning a living while traveling?

 

by @mattlock | 4yr 4 years ago | 22 comments

Iโ€™ve been traveling for over a year, and Iโ€™ve been working on 3 month contracts in locations abroad to sustain travel. I wanted to see what the community was like as far as digital nomads go. Are you trading your skills for $$$? and if so, how are you doing it?

(Iโ€™ve also wanted to try this, but havenโ€™t been to successful.)

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How to earn income without programming or writing skills?


by @andrewshin7 | 5yr 4 years ago | 5 comments

Hello,
Iโ€™m currently residing in Seoul, Korea working at a corporate office job. Iโ€™m having hard time finding a remote job or freelance job besides programming or article writing related jobs.
Are there options to do a remote job or freelance job for somewho who has no programming background?

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What would you like to learn?


by @munly_leong | 5yr 4 years ago | 0 comments

Just had this fun idea, what would everyone like to learn? especially if it may assist/enable/continue your nomad life possibly in another direction? I was thinking that if there was to be a nomadforum retreat this could be useful for all of us to figure out ideas for talks that we could give to teach each other :slight_smile:

Starting with me.
Internet Marketing/Analytics - Iโ€™m already diving headfirst into this currently as part of dropshipping but itโ€™ll probably be awhile before Iโ€™ve got enough experience to do this for others. Seems to be something that can co-exist well with bootstrapping.

Xamarin mobile development - Not a strong priority depending if I need to contract or if there are even remote roles out there to contract on. Currently it seems the typical full stack JS/Rails type dev is far more in demand in a remote capacity.

Unity/Unreal game engine - Ironically most of my Unity experience comes from actually successfully debugging or helping rewrite friendsโ€™ projects despite having no experience building anything of my own yet lol. Often similar problems that occur with any game development or engine though, yay for experience :wink: Similar to Xamarin the problem is laying the down the foundation for time to focus but my most immediate projects wonโ€™t be built in either quite yet.

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If you should learn any skill which one would it be?

 

by @martabcn | 5yr 4 years ago | 28 comments

Hello!

Iโ€™m Marta from Barcelona. Iโ€™ve studied advertising but Iโ€™ve been working all these years in costumer service and tourism. Iโ€™m very curious person and I have knowledge a little bit of everything but I donโ€™t have a special skill developed.
I have been looking for a job in costumer service remotely but spanish spoken countries to work in that way is not very common yet.

I would like to work remotely and I would like to focus in one/two specific skills (SOcial media, wordpress, seoโ€ฆ?).

Any advice from your own experience?

Anyone that have been started from zero?

Thank you! :smile:

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Nomads, how much do you earn? Another poll!


by @baia | 5yr 5 years ago | 0 comments

Hi,

I often wonder how much nomads earn or where do I stand compared with other people in my field. I know it depends on a trillion factors and it doesnโ€™t even have the same impact depending on where the person lives. Still, Iโ€™d like to get an idea of how much you guys are making. And since my idea of creating this poll seemed to appeal to @levelsio himself here we go :smile:

How much, before tax, do you earn on average per year? (remember itโ€™s completely anonymous!)

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Open distance learning vs learning at contact institution


by @stevie | 5yr 5 years ago | 2 comments

Do you think open distance learning is better than learning at contact institution? With all the online learning options available these days I feel much more can be achieved by learning online than than going to class every day. Come to think about it, look at all the time that is being wasted, driving there, sitting in class, pack up, go back home and the next day the same routine again. How do you feel about it?

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