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๐Ÿ’ฌ What's happening in Zurich now?

norydev  
3d
I lived in Turkey for 4 years, but I had a job there => work permit, residency, etc. Yes taxes in Switzerland are low. Health insurance is a scam in my opinion as I said earlier. But it's part of the deal. It's still a bit of gray area though, because when I moved back to switzerland and put my address at my parent's house, the municipality told me that I had to live there, it can't be just an address. But on the other hand, they don't accept that you have no residency so ยฏ\_(ใƒ„)_/ยฏ And regarding taxes, as far as I get it, if you have a control and you didn't spend enough time in another country to be a tax resident over there, there is a fallback on your last place of residence
norydev  
3d
There was an article, I don't remember where, a guy left to sail on his boat and declared no residency. When he came back, the taxes charged him for his time away since he didn't have any other residency
norydev  
3d
I think he was from basel
cephei  
3d
@zonorm oh the tax story is bad. "Swiss bureaucracy" is one of the most annoying things I ever have to deal with. I'm not sure if Basel would win this case in court. I would definitively fight it. As for the health insurance; yeah paying sucks. But also if I get cancer sometimes, it's covered. Hit by a car in the Philippines? coveredโ€ฆ. Just imagine you had to pay 30'000 because of a serious dengue fever. That would suck even more
cephei  
3d
@elhornair mostly Thailand
norydev  
2d
@cephei when I had residency in Turkey I had a cover for everything that happened to me while in Turkey with 0.- premium. I could show up to any public hospital or health center and be treated (which I did for minor things and it worked perfectly). On top of that, I had an international health insurance for when I was not in Turkey. Both together costed less than the Swiss health insurance and would cover me better with no premium. Swiss people think their system is the best, they just never went elsewhere I guess.
cephei  
2d
@norydev well, I am aware that there are awesome solutions abroad. Fortunately I almost never need medical attention. I am not talking about breaking a leg. I wouldn't care to be in a Thai hospital for 7-8 weeks. What I meant is more like a serious injury that affects you over years. I would want to be with my family and in a Swiss hospital. There's "Swiss Paraplegic Centre Nottwil" for example which is one of the best in the world. And various leading cancer treatment facilities. I see the bill more of a preventive plan for when I'll be old. Now I'm paying to support the eldery who need the medical attention, later I will need to use it.
elhornair  
2d
I guess you have to look at the total cost of expenses: taxes + health insurance + social security costs. It's still not too bad of a deal :)
elhornair  
2d
The tax differences between cantons are crazy though (Tagesanzeiger did a good analysis a while ago: https://blog.tagesanzeiger.ch/datenblog/index.php/12008/hier-liegt-ihr-steuerparadies). Especially as a nomad, you wonder why you would pay 3 times as much in Jura compared to Schwyz or Zug :confused:
cephei  
1d
maybe we should gather ~100 Swiss nomads and start a 1 room WG in Zugโ€ฆ :thinking_face:

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  • Berlin Berlin
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    213 reviews
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    Been living in 3 different centrally located airbnb in Berlin (2018), each between 800 and 900โ‚ฌ per month for 40-45 sqm (we're two, so 400-450โ‚ฌ each). Each time a full flat and not a shared airbnb, legal now since some months (though it was always possible to get a full flat before as well). Internet was always between 15 and 50 mbps. I spend 100โ‚ฌ per week on food, including restaurants (pretty cheap here), check for Turkish market on Maybachufer and Turkish stores in Neukรถlln (I spend less on food here than in Chiang Mai!). Berlin is such an awesome place to live, very multicultural, very tolerant, many different neighborhoods, quite relaxed feeling, many parks, lakes all around. No need to speak German at all. Come over here, probably one one of the best place on earth ;) (written in Sept 2018)

    ๐ŸŒฅ  10°C 50°F AQI22
    +5
    $2,978 / mo
  • London London
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    3.34/5
    209 reviews
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    very bad
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    okay
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    London is an amazing city but it's eye-wateringly expensive, don't expect to save money... Expect to be paying a minimum of ยฃ600/month for a bedroom in a shared house (and for this price you'll be in zone 2/3). Look on spareroom for houseshares and openrent for flats. Download the app Citymapper to help you get around it's a godsend - London is a massive city and it can take ages to get from one place to the next. There's tonnes of cafes, workspaces and public spaces to work in (Google campus, Barbican, Southbank centre etc). World class food, world class culture, people from all over the world! Liberal city, mostly safe... Bad air quality though. Don't come here thinking you can do it cheap as you will end up in a 10 person houseshare with a dodgy landlord and be stuck in some crap area of town. It's a hard, ruthless and expensive city to break into, plus we have a population of over 8.6MILLION so competition is tough. There's start-ups on every corner so plenty of people in similar situations. Just factor in the cost and be willing to stay for a while (so you can properly embrace the city) and you'll have a blast.

    ๐ŸŒฅ  14°C 57°F AQI21
    +4
    $4,210 / mo
  • Budapest Budapest
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    4.13/5
    211 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
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    Very nice city, great architecture and many historical buildings. The river and castle at night are one of the best things to see in all Europe. Many Starbucks and other coffees in the city center with good Internet. Overall getting more expensive and touristy but still cheaper than Western Europe. People however are a dealbreaker there, most unfriendly cold and rude people of all Eastern Europe.

    ๐ŸŒฅ  15°C 59°F AQI34
    +2
    $1,717 / mo
  • Prague Prague
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    4.15/5
    205 reviews
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    okay
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    Prague is super awesome, itโ€™s a very beautiful city. However, I have learned two things about Prague which I want to share with future travelers and nomads, they are: - Only use ATMs that has the word โ€œBankomatโ€ on it, all the other ATMs have really high fees or commission and may even in some cases support organized crime. - if you need to call the police for some reason, because of e.g. robbery or physical injury, make sure to call the state police or ask for the state police and not the municipal police. The municipal police can be very corrupt and in some cases support organized crime. Thatโ€™s my advice, take care.

    ๐ŸŒฅ  10°C 50°F AQI40
    $2,445 / mo
  • Milan Milan
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    2.23/5
    199 reviews
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    bad
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    okay
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    okay
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    ๐ŸŒซ  18°C 64°F AQI21
    $3,879 / mo
  • Chiang Mai Chiang Mai
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    4.81/5
    209 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
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    I just got back here in late 2018 and it's better than ever. People who say "Chiang Mai is overrun by nomads" are really mistaken. I hardly saw them. I did see lots of Chinese and some Korean tourists, but they were all quite nice and mostly around Nimman. There's also the few American vegan midlifer's in the Old City center, but that's about it. Chiang Mai is cool and breezy, there's now public bicycles literally everywhere that you can rent for 250 THB or $6 (per month!) with the MoBike app. The red buses (or Songthaew's) are now legit and don't rip tourists off anymore, so you can drive everywhere for 30 THB or $1. People are nice. It's still super safe, even late a night. The food is better than ever. And thanks to the nomad wave of 2014 in Chiang Mai, there's now lots of hip cafes that allow coworking too. It's a great city.

    ๐ŸŒฅ  41°C 106°F ๐Ÿ˜ท AQI59
    $1,043 / mo
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  • Singapore Singapore
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3.59/5
    200 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    okay
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    good
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    good
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    Nomad-ed here for a month. A totally ok place if you have the budget for it. Coworking spaces are good, 4g everywhere, transportation is effective. Lots of things to do. I was able to find friends. Lots of international people, very few digital nomads. If you're there, consider not renting in the center (as it gets expensive fast) and being creative with places to eat to find cheap options. Be prepared to use cash unless you live in a luxury.

    ๐ŸŒง  41°C 106°F AQI
    $2,877 / mo
  • Florence Florence
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    2.56/5
    177 reviews
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    bad
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    okay
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    great
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    good
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    ๐ŸŒซ  24°C 75°F ๐Ÿ˜ท AQI55
    $3,293 / mo
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