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| ⭐️ Total score | 168 reviews |
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| 👌 Safety | |
| 🤮 Food safety* | |
| 👮♀️ Lack of crime* | |
| 🤝 Lack of racism* | |
| 🎓 Education level* | |
| ⚡️ Power grid | |
| 🌊 Vulnerability to climate change | |
| 💰 Income level* | |
| 🙊 English speaking* | |
| 🚶 Walkability | |
| ✌️ Peace (no pol. conflict) | |
| 🚦 Traffic safety* | |
| 🏥 Hospitals | |
| 😄 Happiness* | |
| 🍸 Nightlife | |
| 📶 Free WiFi in city | |
| 🖥 Places to work from | |
| ❄️ A/C or heating | |
| 😁 Friendly to foreigners | |
| 🗯 Freedom of speech* | |
| 👩 Female friendly | |
| 🌈 LGBTQ+ friendly | |
| 🎅 Startup Score |
| 🌍 Continent | Oceania |
| 🚩 Country | Australia |
| ⏱ Average trip length | 21 days |
| 📡 Internet speed (avg) | 11 Mbps |
| ⛅️ Weather (now) |
☀️ 17°C 63°F + 🌵 Too dry (0%) = feels 17°C 63°F
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| 💨 Air quality (now) | 👍 20 US AQI 🍃 OK |
| 💨 Air quality (annual avg) | 👍 25 US AQI |
| 🔌 Power | 230V 50Hz |
| 🚕 Best taxi app* |
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| 🚑 Travel medical insurance |
Safetywing
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| 💸 10 AUD in USD | USD 6.51 |
| 🏧 Suggested ATM take out: | AUD 100 = USD 65 |
| 💸 Tipping | No |
| 💳 Cashless | 💳 Yes, cards OK almost everywhere |
| 💻 Best coworking space | Spacecubed |
| 💻 Best alt. coworking space | Nestspace |
| 🚰 Tap water | 👌 Yes, safe to drink |
| ♻️ Return rate | 👍11% of visitors return |
| 👨👩👧👦 Population | 1,900,000 people |
| 👨👩👧👦 GDP per capita* | $54,069 / year |
| 👫 Gender ratio (population) |
👨 48% 👱♀️ 52% |
| 👫 Gender ratio (young adults) |
👨 54% 👱♀️ 46% |
| 👫 Gender ratio (nomads) |
👨 81% 👱♀️ 19% |
| 🏞 Foreign land ownership allowed | Yes |
| ⛪️ Religious government | Non-religious |
| 💻 Online electronics shop | Kogan |
| 🏠 Apartment listings | Domain |
| ✈️ Best short-haul air carrier | Jetstar |
| ✈️ Best int'l air carrier | Qantas |
| 💵 Cost of living for nomad | $4,263 / month |
| 💵 Cost of living for expat | $2,926 / month |
| 💵 Cost of living for family | $6,974 / month |
| 💵 Cost of living for local | $1,993 / month |
| 🏨 Hotel (median price) | $2,082 / month |
| 🏡 Airbnb (median price) | $2,478 / month |
| 🏠 1br studio rent in center | $1,627 / month |
| 🏨 Hotel (median price) | $98 / night |
| 🏠 Airbnb (median price) | $81 / night |
| 🏢 Coworking hot desk | $392 / month |
| 🍛 Dinner | $18 |
| 🥤 Coca-Cola (0.3L) | $3 |
| 🍺 Beer in cafe (0.5L) | $7 |
| ☕️ Coffee in cafe | $4 |
| 👩🏫 International school | $14,855 / year |
| 📱 Mobile data (~10GB) | $68 / month |
| 🚕 Taxi price (avg ~3km/2mi trip) | $5 / trip |
| 💰 Estimated tax on $50,000 | $9,580 |
| 💰 Estimated tax on $100,000 | $27,512 |
| 💰 Estimated tax on $250,000 | $91,425 |
✅ Very safe
✅ Fast internet
✅ Warm all year round
✅ Good air quality on average
✅ Nomad List members liked going here a lot
✅ Many Nomad List members have been
✅ Spacious and not crowded
✅ Very easy to do business
✅ High quality of education
✅ Good hospitals
✅ Roads are very safe
✅ Great freedom of speech
✅ Democratic
✅ Everyone speaks English
✅ Very safe for women
✅ Very family friendly
✅ Very friendly to LGBTQ+
✅ Not many people smoke tobacco
❌ Way too expensive
❌ Not much to do
❌ Very dry air now
❌ Not many Nomad List members right now
❌ Difficult to make friends
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21° mild |
63
17° cool |
63
17° cool |
64
18° cool |
48
9° cold |
64
18° cool |
52
11° cool |
77
25° warm |
| Real |
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64
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| Humidity |
too dry 24% |
too dry 27% |
nice 31% |
nice 30% |
nice 35% |
nice 34% |
nice 37% |
nice 35% |
nice 33% |
nice 33% |
too dry 29% |
too dry 27% |
| Rain |
dry 3mm |
dry 16mm |
dry 25mm |
dry 20mm |
rainy 52mm |
rainy 53mm |
rainy 119mm |
dry 41mm |
dry 34mm |
dry 47mm |
dry 6mm |
dry 2mm |
| Cloud |
pockets 14% |
pockets 15% |
pockets 26% |
pockets 30% |
pockets 40% |
pockets 29% |
pockets 37% |
pockets 31% |
pockets 24% |
pockets 30% |
pockets 17% |
pockets 12% |
| Air quality |
clean 10 US AQI |
clean 9 US AQI |
clean 9 US AQI |
clean 26 US AQI |
clean 36 US AQI |
okay 52 US AQI |
clean 27 US AQI |
clean 34 US AQI |
clean 25 US AQI |
clean 13 US AQI |
clean 9 US AQI |
clean 7 US AQI |
| Sun |
avoid sun 12 UVI |
avoid sun 11 UVI |
avoid sun 8 UVI |
seek shade 5 UVI |
seek shade 3 UVI |
seek shade 3 UVI |
avoid sun | avoid sun |
safe 3 UVI |
avoid sun |
seek shade 4 UVI |
avoid sun |
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Skip this place and go to Bali right away. This city only looks beautiful in tourism videos but ugly in person. It is dusty and smelly.
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Sitting here laughing out loud at these "been here a few week" reviews where supposedly they could tell it all. You guys obviously don't know the right places, you probably ended up around lower Sukhumvit (with all the mention about hookers and lbs). Don't listen to any of this. I've lived around SEA for 10+ years. Nearly 8 of them in Bangkok. There is a reason I keep coming back. You have: excellent networking, lots of startups, awesome nightlife (if you know where to go!), amazing, internation
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If you're physically active, CM is paradise 9 months out the year. Like many, I live here, but fly to Phuket from Mid Feb to Mid May to escape the burning season. The rest of the year, the weather is fine: about 1h of strong rain a day from May to September, then September to December is awesome with cold air in the morning and evenings, and just right warm during the day. In CM, you have unlimited landscape for: Trekking, Mountain Biking, Cycling, Road Trips on scooter or motorcycle (some of
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I've been hanging out in Berlin on and off for 30 years. It is very safe for women. It is much friendlier than it used to be. There are loads of vegan restaurants now. The nightlife and specially jazz clubs are amazing! I have an excellent apartment to rent out in Wedding - which used to have a boring reputation but now is very cool.
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A top city. Everything works, beautiful greenery (hehe), cycling everywhere, happy people, great nightlife... Lots to love about. For nomads? Not a chance. Price of housing is outrageous, and the city is expensive af. They charge you 4.5-5 eur for a capuccino, completely shameless. An hour of public transport is 3 euros. I could go on and on. I'd love to live there, but it's not worth it.
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How did you guys classified Penge as rich? It is one of the worst neighbourhood I have ever been in London, the ammount of people I know that have been robbed there is appalling.
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I've lived in New York City - Brooklyn - for over 20 years. For visiting tourists, the best neighborhood to stay in is NOT Bushwick. Park Slope, Prospect Heights, Ft. Green or Brooklyn Heights is preferable. Plenty of good transportation in those areas - subway, buses or Uber. Easy access to beaches in Long Island and New Jersey. There's plenty to do in NYC. Great restaurants, Broadway plays (!), and in the summer you frequently can catch a free concert.
⭐️ All 💵 Cost 📡 😀 Fun 👮 Safety ☀️ Feels 25° 77° 25° 76° AQI 64 ✈️25h $6,814 / mo 🌇 Also went here82 people
