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Where do I get good legal advice/support to have a long-term stay in Portugal?

in Lisbon, Portugal by @mzorrilla | 5mo 5mo | 4 comments

Hello, everyone!

My idea is to stay as low as 6 months and as long as a year (maybe, who knows) over Lisbon after doing some analysis from many cities in Europe.

I'm an Argentinian and Chilean (both nationalities) so... no Euro-pass for me (getting my Italian nationality could take 2 years easily). I'm also a remote worker and I have a really good income (I work for a Silicon Valley company) so I can show more than enough resources to stay in the country.

Everything I see online doesn't inspire me much confidence (most sites looks a bit scammy) and this is not a "vacation stay"... I want to be clear my head far away from Argentina right now. If someone has a good website, recommendations, etc I will super appreciate.

Thanks in advance!

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@amin | 5mo 5mo

Not sure really. There's "Nomad Capitalist" but I've heard mixed reviews.

If you intend on staying in Portugal, my recommendation would be to research about their Golden Visa as well as their Non Habitual Residency program. It's well-known within the nomad community.

Checkout the "digitalnomad" subreddit as well.

Good luck!

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@trevayneobrien | 3mo 3mo

How did you go with finding someone? I'm looking for a lawyer/migration agent to handle this process.

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@amin | 3mo 3mo

There are several active Facebook groups. Simply searching the groups for the term NHR can get you a lot of helpful results.

One of the groups for instance is called Porto Internationals. A few hours after joining you get approved and can search. If you don't find what you are looking for you can always ask.

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@kathleenhamilton | 3mo 3mo

I worked with folks from a company called moviinn. Migration agents with reasonable rates, and they give you a free consultation first so you can ask questions & find out what the best route is for you. They can handle the whole legal process for you too.

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Best place in Portugal near cool nomads, good surf, and a great cowork spot

in Portugal by @joelnicholson | 5mo 5mo | 10 comments

Hi there, title says it all. Canadian nomad hoping to find the city/town in Portugal with great, consistent surfing, a solid coworking spot, and a fun group of young nomads. Please recommend!

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@ngophotographer | 3mo 3mo

I recommend Madeira (the main town being Funchal). It's open for visitors in spite of the pandemic, with the requirement that they either submit evidence of a recent negative test or else take a free test on arrival (with quarantine for 12 hours tops while they check the result). It's still warm here, and I have found that there are quite a few nomads around (not necessarily members of this site). There is stunning hiking everywhere, and very good Internet. English is very widely spoken, though there are also plenty of opportunities for those who might like to learn Portuguese.

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@levelsio | 5mo 5mo

Here you go: nomadlist.com/places-with-many-nomads-near-a-beach-in-portugal

Lisbon and Porto match! There might be a few smaller ones not listed on NL, but they also won't have many nomads

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@joelnicholson | 5mo 5mo

Thanks! Definitely used your search tool before, it's great. Well done on the site as a whole, really unique tools you've built. Surprised to hear that smaller places like Ericeira and Alentejo won't have much of a nomad community.

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@benmercer | 5mo 5mo

Ericeira has a lot of permanent residents who work remotely and a few nomads passing through. Summer is more touristy and winter is quieter but with more serious waves. Was there last autumn for 6 weeks and had a great time. Think it'll only grow and grow - loads of coworking and coliving opening up

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@levelsio | 4mo 4mo

Added Ericeira now to Nomad List, will take a few days for the robots to collect all the data and you'll see it show up :) nomadlist.com/ericeira

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@m__m | 4mo 4mo

Rad! Would you recommend any particular neighborhoods / cafes? Also considering surf school... 🌊

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@benmercer | 4mo 4mo

it's only a small place so there's not loads of neighbourhoods - you're kind of in the centre or not! best food was in very local style restaurants I thought - follow the Portuguese old boys! Adega pub is where everyone seems to go in the evening

I stayed at villadosirmaos.com (they are chilled, great people) which is in Ribamar, 5-10 minutes up the coast from Ericeira. Their friend David has opened a more formal co-living place here - www.sunagohouse.com. You can borrow surf gear at Vila dos Irmaos and David was a surf instructor. I don't know much about other options but there are plenty in town.

One of the big surf shops in a massive modern building has a cafe which is good to work from. You can also work in more local cafes sometimes which are quieter than ones in town. I'd usually surf at Ribeira and there's a big cafe/bar there which also accepts workers

Shout me if you go!

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@m__m | 4mo 4mo

For sure, & thanks so much for the fantastic recs - I didn't realize there was so much co-living happening there. Will check it all out! 😸

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@levelsio | 5mo 5mo

Thanks dude! They might have though but not enough for it to be properly tracked on here (e.g. not members checked in there as much). If there's a significant nomad community it'll start showing up here

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@benmercer | 4mo 4mo

champion - was actually looking into going back there the other day!

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Where do you work from in Lisbon? 🧳☕

in Lisbon, Portugal by @dominiksobe | 7mo 7mo | 1 comment

Hi everyone,

I am going to move to Lisbon in July and I was wondering where you guys work from? Do you have any recommendations for working on a budget? Any good cafès or cheap coworking spaces?

I did some research and found some coworking spaces for > ~ 100€ p. month which is pretty reasonable but too much for me right now.

Thanks!

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@lukeb | 7mo 7mo

I used "getcroissant" whilst I was in Lisbon. You basically choose a number of coworking hours per month and are then free to choose any of the partnering co-working spaces. I recommend Heden, Selina and Outsite.

There are also plenty of wonderful cafes to work from. Several Copenhagen Coffee Labs, Heim, The Mill...

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How do I get Travel/Medical Insurance for Portugal for visa application from Australia?

in Portugal by @jonathanpoh | 3mo 3mo | 5 comments

I'm preparing my Portuguese D7 long-term visa application and one of the required documents is proof of travel insurance with medical coverage. However, as an Australian citizen, if put that as my country of residence in many travel insurance companies' quick quote forms, I'm unable to get ANY insurance coverage at all because of the current travel ban out of Australia, and the Australian govt's 'Do Not Travel' advice to ALL countries. I know that Aussies are applying for, and successfully getting visas from the Portuguese Consulate here, so where and how are they fulfilling this insurance requirement if insurers aren't selling any coverage? Does anybody know or have any ideas?

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@jonathanpoh | 3mo 3mo

I ended up going with SwissCare's "International Schengen visa insurance" which seems to cover all the requirements for Portugal's residency visa, and doesn't exclude Australians or have restrictions based on home country travel restrictions due to COVID-19. Let's see if the Portuguese Consulate actually accepts it.

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@levelsio | 3mo 3mo

You can get private travel medical insurance from Safetywing.com, they're a sponsor of this site too

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@essentiallyint | 3mo 3mo

I'll second Safetywing, also you can check out worldnomads.com, a bit more expensive but they have item theft (including electronics) coverage as well as a more extensive "activities" coverage. I'm not sure about their current country policies but both websites allow you to very quickly and easily put your department to/from locations and travel dates and give you an immediate quote/availability of coverage.

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@jonathanpoh | 3mo 3mo

Unfortunately World Nomads was one that explicitly says 'no Coverage' for Australian residents if you get a quote or try to buy a policy, due to the travel ban.

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@essentiallyint | 3mo 3mo

Ah, I see. Sorry about that, but it looks like you did find a potential solution. I hope it works out for you!

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Better than Lisbon, much more cozy and welcoming. You can find cheaper places in the “other side of the bridge”, in the municipality of Vila Nova de Gaia. Public transports works and is pretty convenient, most part of the city is covered by tram stations. Beaches are freezing cold but nice for a running. Don’t miss the daily sunsets in the garden nearby the bridge, eating pastel de nata and drinking a bottle of Porto Wine. But please, don’t clap your hands to the sun — only Brazilian tourists do that haha

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Porto is simply amazing! Really good food, easy atmosphere, nice people, affordable, and great to do some work as well! The amazing history this place has adds to the total, including it being easy to travel south to Coimbra and Lisbon.

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Spent 3 years living in Porto, must say it's maybe the best city I've lived in so far. Its super hospitable people, delicious food, good English speaking and well educated population, entrepreneurship opportunities and cheap (comparing to Lisbon) cost of living make a combination that is quite hard to beat in Europe.

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👶 Family score	Good
💵 Cost	😙 Affordable: $1,857 / mo
📡 Internet	🏎 Fast: 26Mbps (avg)
😝 Fun	Good
⛅️ Temperature (now)	🥶 Too cold: 13°C55°F (feels 11°C52°F)
💦 Humidity (now)	💦 Damp: 79%
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🏥 Hospitals	Great
😄 Happiness	Okay
🍸 Nightlife	Okay
📶 Free WiFi in city	Good
🖥 Places to work from	Great
❄️ A/C or heating	Great
😁 Friendly to foreigners	Good
🗯 Freedom of speech	Good
🤚🏿🤚🏻 Racial tolerance	Okay
👩 Female friendly	Good
🌈 LGBTQ+ friendly	Great
🎅 Startup Score	Okay

🌍 Region	Europe
🚩 Country	Portugal
⏱ Average trip duration	8 days
📡 Internet speed (avg)	26 Mbps
⛅️ Weather (now)	🌧 13°C 55°F + 💦 Damp (79%) = feels 11°C 52°F
💨 Air quality (now)	👍 3 US AQI 🍃 good
💨 Air quality (annual avg)	👍 11 US AQI 🍃 good
🔌 Power	230V 50Hz
🧔 Best neighborhood to stay	Baixa
🚀 Upcoming neighborhood	Vila Nova de Gaia
🚕 Best taxi app (in country)	Uber
🚑 Travel medical insurance	Safetywing
📱 Best wireless carrier	Vodafone
🏧 Suggested ATM take out:	EUR 100 = USD 121
💸 Tipping	No
💳 Cashless society	💳 Yes, cards OK almost everywhere
💻 Best coworking space	Porto i/o
🚰 Safe tap water	👌 Yes, drinkable
♻️ Return rate	6% of visitors return
👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Population	210,000 people
👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 GDP per Capita	$19,750 / year
🏞 Foreign land ownership allowed	Yes
👫 Gender ratio (overall)	👨 40% 👱‍♀️ 60%
👫 Gender ratio (young adults)	👨 56% 👱‍♀️ 44%
⛪️ Religious government	Non-religious
💻 Online electronics shop	Fnac
✈️ Best short-haul air carrier	Ryanair
✈️ Best int'l air carrier	TAP

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💵 Cost of living for expat	$1,268 / month
💵 Cost of living for family	$2,542 / month
💵 Cost of living for local	$726 / month
🏠 1br studio rent in center	$606 / month
🏢 Coworking	$124 / month
🏨 Hotel	$1,174 / month
🏨 Hotel	$55 / night
🏠 Airbnb (947 listings)	$1,663 / month
🏠 Airbnb	$55 / night
🍛 Dinner	$6
🥤 Coca-Cola (0.3L)	$1
🍺 Beer (0.5L)	$3
☕️ Coffee	$0.79
💰 Estimated tax on $50,000	$21,514
💰 Estimated tax on $100,000	$52,994
💰 Estimated tax on $250,000	$145,334

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