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What's your approach to finding medium term accommodation?

 

by @andygreenwood 9yr  | 24 comments

Hi everyone.

Whatโ€™s your approach/resources for finding medium term accommodation (Iโ€™m thinking 1 month-3 months as that tends to be the visa limit)?

Been building up my work this year whilst also being a traditional backpacker so moving far too quickly.

Next year is all about picking two or three locations and โ€œsettlingโ€ for a while.

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Hello,

Actually, what I do is search online. Due to my profession as a photographer, I need to travel different places, sometimes different countries.

So, what I do is before backpacking, I search thoroughly online about the place, where to live, places to visit and how to reach these places. Although, company pays for this, but somehow I there were some situation during my visit that I had to spend. That, time I had to consider my budget.

I went nomad 3 months ago and I was there for 15 days. before backpacking, i searched out a few under budget accommodations for myself.

Right below, i am giving you the links:
http://www.vrbo.com/307659
http://www.furnishedrentals.com/property/s/nomad?guest=1
https://www.flipkey.com/new-york-city-condo-rentals/p357131/

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@kathrynoh 9yr

Airbnb definitely varies by country/city. Iโ€™ve been looking in Tokyo and found the prices there comparable with medium term rental agencies. The agencies look like a better deal initially but, in the fine print, you have a lot of add-on charges. Eg. $200+ for utilities a month, random insurances, admin fees plus non-refundable deposits. At least with Airbnb, what you see is what you pay.

One of the biggest downsides with using Airbnb for medium term though is if you find a place you like and someone books a few nights in the middle of the period you want.

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Iโ€™ve found it really depends on your budget and what youโ€™re looking for. I tried AirBnb and it regularly seems too pricey. Iโ€™ve also done hotels.com and bookings.com which are reasonable for finding places in the low end for short term, though you have to do your research. As others have suggested, booking a few days somewhere and then walking around to pop in and ask in every place we see has been our best bet.

In Saigon we found a great place in District 10 for about $16 a night, no presence online, limited english (except for the manager) but great quiet room that was big, had a fridge and was across from a massive grocery store. We certainly could have negotiated it lower for a longer stay but we just kept extending in 3 day stints. There were no tourists around, it was a purely locals area and we found great cheap restaurants (we found one place that charged $1.50 each for dinner for what was basically a buffet that was really good). If you stick in the touristy areas things tend to get pricey and ridiculous.

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@oriane 9yr

I always stay 3 months and more in the same place so I looked at facebook groups, expats blog and local community blogs where you can find apartment a lot cheaper than airbnb. Also housesitting website.

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I do the same thing, typically 1-6 months in a country. Taylor and I did an episode on this topic for the GTFOutcast. The TL;DR is that I get a short term AirBnB or hostel, contact AirBnB owners and set up viewings, then book through the site or on the side. Iโ€™ve found that theyโ€™re typically willing to cut their rate by 30-50% for a 3-month+ rental. Hereโ€™s the GTFOutcast episode.
http://www.gtfoutcast.com/2013/08/25/ep04-apartments-rentals-foreign-country-travel/

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Housesitting is getting much more competitive. 2 years ago I spent 8 months house sitting around Europe. I got almost every gig I applied to. This year Iโ€™ve gotten 0 so far. Nothing changed on my end but home owners are saying that they get 10-30 responses per listing. Itโ€™s nuts. Itโ€™s also hard because most are shorter term and for me a week just isnโ€™t worth it for the cost and pain of relocating to the house sit.

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@theunisk 9yr

Iโ€™ve kept my eye on mindmyhouse & ths for a couple years but yet to try it out. Iโ€™d certainly like to hear more about house sitting. Especially whether you generally have enough freedom to do some exploration, go out at night or perhaps even spend a day or two away on longer house sits. Other than that it does seem like an attractive solution to meโ€ฆ

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@regina 9yr

Try trustedhousesitters.com. Itโ€™s $90 a year and you can apply to house/pet sit for people and stay in their lovely homes for weeks or months on end. Itโ€™s all free as long as you treat the home and the pets as if they were your own. There is also โ€œMind Your Homeโ€ which is $20 a year, but Iโ€™ve heard people have more success with this THS because the homeowners trust the site more. The only drawback is that it is highly competitive, most listings will be filled within the week and say something like: โ€œWeโ€™ve received an overwhelming amount of applications.โ€ So you canโ€™t really make any concrete plans around that. But then again thatโ€™s exciting for some people. Weโ€™re currently โ€œshortlistedโ€ for a 7-week home sit in Hanoi and keeping our fingers crossed that we will get it.

I think itโ€™s a great option, and an amazing solution (if you happen to land one) for a Digital Nomad looking to work and relax in their own environment. So far the majority of the listings are in Europe but Iโ€™ve seen some cool ones in Brazil or Morrocco which is promising.

Iโ€™m thinking about writing something on this so Iโ€™m curious to know if this set up is appealing to DNโ€™s. What do you all think?

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@artur 9yr

2 things worked for us.

1 - long-term stay negotiation. You will surprisingly find many Airbnb folks willing to HALF their charges for a 3-month secure stay.

2- homeswapping!!

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@manu 9yr

There is a Google spreadsheet with co-housing options, of which there are many. If someone needs it, Iโ€™ll dig it out again. But it should be somewhere on this forum?

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How about http://coworking.camp ?
It runs for 6 weeks in November / December and is rather affordable plus you will meet lots of other nomads.

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@cathy 9yr

Iโ€™ve recently given up entirely on Airbnb, after yet another landlord canceled my reservation at the last minute, leaving me scrambling for two monthsโ€™ lodging (and having to ask repeatedly for a refund). Airbnb apologized, but that didnโ€™t change the fact that I was again in the lurch.

In the markets Iโ€™m familiar with, Airbnb hosts charge the same as or more than commercial apartment providers, and in my experience theyโ€™re way less reliable. So for the last few months Iโ€™ve been happy to fork out for a commercially run place, after checking reviews of the firm online. In less expensive markets, Iโ€™ve started using Booking.com and more local sites to find apartments, and so far I havenโ€™t had any nasty surprises.

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@yeltsin 9yr

Couchsurfing is a good option? Some people just stay for a couple of weeks, paying nothing or almost nothing. But I donโ€™t know about medium term accommodation.

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@skatkov 9yr

People donโ€™t expect you to stay more then 3 days usually if your using couchsurfing. Two weeks sounds unbelievable.

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I agree, Airbnb is mostly priced out for people looking for rentals over a couple weeks. You can occasionally find a deal, but itโ€™s usually more trouble than itโ€™s worth.

I tend to reach out to folks on Couchsurfing.com and get info on the best flat-sharing/subletting resources for the city in question. They can usually point me in the right direction!

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@pomennedy 9yr

I disagree, I usually stay in one country for a month, maybe more and rarely less and Iโ€™ve always challenge my travel and business buddy James to find a hostel cheaper than the AirBnBโ€™s I find. Heโ€™s yet to win.

Everyone is far too used to seeing a price and considering that to be โ€œthe priceโ€. Iโ€™m yet to pay full-whack for an AirBnB, always asking for a discount for the long stays and charming money off. If you put in the effort you can get some crazy good deals.

I think the problem with this discussion currently is youโ€™re not discussing it in dollar value. โ€œUnfortunately it seems that Airbnb is starting to price themselves out of the nomad marketโ€, completely depends on what you consider affordable. Weโ€™re all nomads, but we all earn different amounts.

Itโ€™s also worth considering what you want from your accommodation. I prefer somewhere that feels like a home, where you get your own private space and can work from if required which is why I choose AirBnB or Mind My House every time and get an entire apartment/house.

If you go for the housesit options like Mind My House you can travel for years without paying a penny on accommodation, which is fantastic. You just need a few good references and ideally a police check so the home owners insurance is OK with you staying there. Bonus if youโ€™re a pet lover as most are after people to look after the house and cats whilst they holiday or travel. I just got a housesit in Toronto for three months.

I hope this helps!

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I agree with David. Iโ€™ve had great luck with Airbnb (you have to search by month, though, to see the monthly prices, which are nearly always comparable to local furnished rental prices here in Europe. And lots of Airbnb renters are willing to discount for longer stays or off-season stays.

Iโ€™ve also had great luck with some of the forums on Couchsurfing.com. There are often people looking for short-term roomies, especially in big cities. And my super cheap Swiss rental was something I found via a Facebook group in that area.

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Excellent points, @pomennedy, and to be fair, we just spent a month in an Airbnb rental in Prague which we negotiated to a lower rate due to the length of our stay. I think our priorities are exactly as you describedโ€ฆ we want somewhere that feels like home and can also function as a workspace.

I guess what Iโ€™ve found is that you can generally get a MUCH better deal than even a reduced-price Airbnb by finding more locally-utilized subletting websites & services. We paid about โ‚ฌ600 for our month in Prague on Airbnb, but we probably could have found a similar flat in the same neighborhood for around โ‚ฌ300-350 using some of Pragueโ€™s other flat-sharing, subletting, and short-term rental services.

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@pomennedy 9yr

True, I personally enjoy being apart of the AirBnB community and know those dudes have my back should shit hit the fan. To me thatโ€™s worth any additional dollar.

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@grum 9yr

Unfortunately it seems that Airbnb is starting to price themselves out of the nomad market and is directly competing against hotels. Which is great if you want to hang about for a few days but not so much when you want a 90 day stay.

The most common practice for nomads these days is to book a place for a few days that is central to where youโ€™re interested in and pound the pavement. In regions like Asia where there are large expat communities it is fairly easy to walk onto a street and stumble on a โ€œfor rentโ€ sign of some sort.

If youโ€™re finding that a bit difficult due to language barriers etc, head on over to the expat hangout hotspots like bars etc and have a chat. If youโ€™re finding that difficult, you could always head on over to our own hashtagnomads and organise a coffee date with one of our many digital nomads in your area to help you figure out your new surroundings.

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@archagon 9yr

In regards to Europe, in my experience, Airbnb works as well as it used to for stays starting from one week. I try to keep my rent spending no higher than $35/day (dunno if this is considered high or low) and I can usually find something even at the last minute. (Sometimes it takes a few days of looking.) With that said, a) different cities have differing availability (good luck in London or Paris), and b) prices will still be 1.5x-2.0x as high as subletting the โ€œnormalโ€ way. As an example, when I was in Dublin, I stayed in an apartment about a mile and a half from the city center for about $35/day. As soon as I arrived, I started looking for a better place on all the subletting/short-term rental websites I could find, and eventually I found a lovely house with a cozy room, a brand-new kitchen, and interesting housemates for something like $15/day for 21 days. It was an upgrade in pretty much every way and it cost less than half as much! The only problem is that itโ€™s not nearly as easy to find places like. You have to call, text, and send lots and lots of messages. You also have to rely on your common sense to make sure you donโ€™t get ripped off.

If I could, Iโ€™d go the โ€œnormalโ€ subletting route every time. But it takes a lot more work. And if youโ€™re staying for less than a week, Airbnb is pretty much the only affordable option if you want an individual room with a desk.

I canโ€™t imagine doing this in Europe! How would it even go? Most places that advertise their rent are expecting stays of half a year at minimum, not a month or two.

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@tkrunning 9yr

That depends on the city. If it is a city with a lot of Erasmus students (like Lisbon), it should be easy to find something for 1-2 months or more.

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@amy 9yr

I prefer using Airbnb or places like agoda or any other sites where they have discounts for monthly rates. Sometimes, I will do homestays as well since itโ€™s a chance to meet some locals and they earn a little money if they have an extra guest bedroom.

If youโ€™re in a place like Chiang Mai, Bali etc., thereโ€™s places for longer-term lodging (one month plus) which you can find while there so you can check it out in person.

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What are the best places right now in the Caribbean/LatAM? (Also cheapest flights/accommodation?)


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What's the best thing to do with your phone/ your phone number when travelling?


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Hey, hope everyone is well!

We're leaving in a month to go travelling. Our first destination is still to be confirmed, but will likely be Poland or Slovakia. We will be moving around every month or two to different destinations.

The question we have is: what do people do with phones/ phone numbers when hopping from country to country? Ideally we'd just like one number for the whole trip (even better, the number we already have) wherever we go, rather than getting new SIMs with different numbers.

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What's the best SIM card you can get for traveling to Spain?


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in Taiwan by @zoxel 4yr 4 years ago  | 4 comments

We have never been in Taiwan (a couple of travelers) and I am just wondering is possible to find there some quite clean place to hang for a while? How it is better to start? Are there any websiteโ€™s for short and long term rentals? It looks like AirBnB is not that popular there. So it seems that usual tactics - rent hotel or airbnb for short term and then look for long term just driving around might not work. It looks like everything there in Chinese - so if there are any tips how to overcome this - that is more then welcome :slight_smile: Overall just interested in any suggestion - where best to go first? Also is it hard to extend your stay there - we are digital nomads - so working for some company overseas and probably will be extending as a tourist (If we like there).
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Central America - Where and what's next?


by @as11 4yr 4 years ago  | 11 comments

Currently in Playa Del Carmen, Mexico and heading to Santa Teressa, Costa Rica next week.
Then Aruba in the Caribbean Sea for Christmas and New Year.

However I feel I want to head back to Central America to bring living costs down, rather than staying in the Caribbean Sea among the expensive Islands.

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Any digital nomads who have ideas about where to head in that timeframe?

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What's the first step now that I can work remotely?


by @mariaplslourdes 5yr 5 years ago  | 4 comments

Hi everyone and nice to e-meet you!
finally, after so long I found a job that allows me to work remotely.
But now? Do you have any practical advice that I can use to approach this new world?
In particular, I have to put my tax situation in order, do you know a good tax advisor from whom I can ask for advice? (Iโ€™m Italian but I live in Franceโ€ฆI donโ€™t know how long it will beโ€ฆ) )
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What's the best warm destinations in Europe in the winter?

 

by @jammingsloth 5yr 5 years ago  | 33 comments

Planning ahead for the winter. Iโ€™ll be in Spain in the Fall and want to go someplace warm for the winter in or near Europe, but not Schengen. Was first thinking Cape Town, but the internet is slow and it is very far. Was also thinking:
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by @barrybjjoubert 5yr 5 years ago  | 25 comments

Dear all
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What's the best CRM/system for managing remote work opportunities?


by @panoramica 5yr 5 years ago  | 3 comments

Iโ€™m currently doing some work through Upwork, but itโ€™s sporadic and Iโ€™m keen to get more active on other platforms like Freelancer, Toptal, CodeMentor, Fiverr etc

Currently Iโ€™m managing leads in a Google sheet. Basically itโ€™s just a list of projects I pitched for, how much I bid, what I did differently from the last pitch/bid, how much time went by before I got a offered a job etc.

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Lead generation and client management (CRM)

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by @octave 5yr 5 years ago  | 63 comments

I have an commerce website. We get around 1000 orders per month and this is going to get quite a bit bigger in next few years.

I am British. I live in Thailand.
Im not allowed to majority own a Thai business and small foreign entrepreneurs are not really welcome. So i need an offshore company.

I need PayPal and an ecommerce internet merchant account. Also looking at alternatives like worldpay. 2checkout etc

Does PayPal need me to be a resident to the country i register my account to? Are there complications being a non resident to get other payment solutions?

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Hi All! Iโ€™ve heard Spark and Vodafone are the best. I plan to move around, so I care mostly about having good coverage, and all Iโ€™ll need is around 1 GB of data or so.

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What's the best bank for South African digital nomads?


in South Africa by @kirst85 6yr 6 years ago  | 12 comments

Iโ€™m a South African about to become a Nomad next year. I will still be employed by a South African company and receive a salary into my FNB bank account monthly.

I will be mostly based in Serbia but plan on travelling a lot. Does anyone have any advice on the best bank account to have? Is there a way to not get charged a small fortune in ATM charges and avoid getting my account frozen for using it in lots of countries?

Iโ€™m unsure of the best way to handle things. Should I try get another bank account outside of SA (Can I even do that)? I also have a British Passport if that makes a difference.

If any of you have any experienced advice I would be very grateful, Thanks in advance!

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What's better? Puerto Vallarta vs. Playa del Carmen in Mexico?


in Puerto Vallarta , Mexico by @oskar 6yr 6 years ago  | 12 comments

Iโ€™m going to travel to Mexico by the end of february and i would like to know which place do you recommend to stay at for a month or so. Which one would fit better for a digital nomad? Pros and Cons for each place are welcomed :smile:

thanks!

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Do you have a strategy for finding what to do in the city?


by @ifdattic 6yr 6 years ago  | 12 comments

Anyone want to share their strategy/tips for finding out what to do when you arrive at new location, and/or finding about ongoing events (for example when staying for longer term)?

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Anybody with a software consultancy having issues finding clients while travelling?


by @raz 6yr 6 years ago  | 4 comments

I recently started running a software consultancy in the UK that specialises in MVP development and onboarding/marketing strategies. I found it relatively easy to get leads by attending networking events (quite a lot here in Edinburgh).

I plan to start travelling soon, though. Has anybody tried to travel while running a software consultancy? Iโ€™m really curious to find out how you handled finding new clients while doing that. Letโ€™s say that if I go networking somewhere in Asia I wonโ€™t find clients willing to spend much on a project (and canโ€™t just pay my employees less because I canโ€™t find good paying projects).

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What's a good US call and SMS forwarding service?


by @vong 6yr 6 years ago  | 12 comments

Hi all,

What do you guys use for call and sms forwarding?

Currently I have a Skype US number that forwards to my local phone number. However, it canโ€™t receive SMSโ€™es so thatโ€™s a huge dealbreaker.

Thereโ€™s RingCentral - but that starts at $29/month which is rather pricey.

Any suggestions? Iโ€™d just like to be able to call and text like Iโ€™m still in the US (when Iโ€™m not). Thanks in advance!

Sarah

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What's a good and warm place in April to surf with fast internet?


by @jakegibson 6yr 6 years ago  | 9 comments

I landed a remote job that is fully remote with only one team skype meeting a week. Iโ€™m looking to leave around March 13th and stay 1 - 3 months in each place. The first place I want somewhere that is warm with good surf. For the group video chat I need at least 5/2 down/up reliable internet. Any recommendations for a place that meets that end of March - April?

Iโ€™ve read through the forums / nomads list. Iโ€™ve already done Costa Rica and Indo and would like to try somewhere new. Currently looking at Sayuliata Mexico, Canary Islands, and Morocco though I think Iโ€™ll wait on the second two since they sound like they are better in the fall.

Thanks!

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What's the weirdest thing you travel with?

 

by @gigigriffis 6yr 6 years ago  | 21 comments

I was thinking about packing today and Iโ€™m curious: whatโ€™s the weirdest thing you guys have in your bags? Nomads are, by nature, minimalists, but Iโ€™m sure we all do it differently. I have a friend who travels with BASE jumping gear, another a sequin dress. So, whatโ€™s the most unusual thing in your bag?

Mine is probably that I travel with a dog.

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Worried about English fluency when finding a job in Ireland?


in Ireland by @gonzalezveroni94 7yr 7 years ago  | 1 comment

Hi Nomads!

Iโ€™m Veronica, a spanish graduate of computer science. I moved to Dublin to get a job and I have an interview next week. I have a good fluency for now but I am worried I will not be able to speak to my co-workers about specific topics because I am not a native speaker. I can talk about general things but I worry my english is not good enough to talk about what I am trained in.

Does anyone else face this problem when moving to new countries? If so, how did you overcome this? Thanks!!

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