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How to get a UK residence address without renting/buying?


by @pavel_maximov | 4yr  | 17 comments

Background:
Iโ€™m an EU national IT specialist, recently decided to become a digital nomad. I just left my permanent job in Germany and opened a UK based LTD (for a better taxation) to start a new career as remote working IT contractor. I also want to become a UK resident and pay personal income tax there BUT I donโ€™t want to rent/buy a place because I have no interest in physically living in the UK, as a nomad I will be traveling abroad 100% of the time.

So I just need a UK address where Iโ€™m registered as a resident and could receive mail, but I would never actually be there. I could rent a place and keep it empty but that would be a total waste of money.

Question:
How do I find somebody who could give me an official residence at his/her address and keep my name on the door? Iโ€™m ok with paying a reasonable monthly fee for this โ€œserviceโ€ (but not as high as a rent), and give assurance in whatever form that I will never pretend to physically live there. I have no close friends in the UK to ask for this favor, and trying to propose this to a random landlord would be just weird since they are not familiar with the needs of a digital nomad.

Maybe you guys can suggest me somebody who understand the situation and want to make some extra cash every month to pay the bills? Iโ€™m ready to meet in person, provide full proof of identity or any other document, and to make a written agreement that gives the landlord the freedom to cancel this โ€œsituationโ€ at any time.

Note:
This is NOT for tax evasion, itโ€™s the opposite! I WANT to pay full tax as UK resident, I just donโ€™t want to waste money on a rent which I will literally never use.

I would be very grateful for any advice!

Pavel

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@flipchan | 2yr

Cant you just use a postbox? Its simple and should work

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@pilcrow | 4yr

Hi Pavel,
You might want to check whether you can pass the national insurance interview, without which you wonโ€™t get a NiNo number and wonโ€™t be able to pay tax afaik. They will ask you what you want the number for, what your clients are etc.

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@pavel_maximov | 4yr

Thanks to everybody for advising, really appreciate that.

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@m4xxxxx | 10mo

Hi, I am in similar position like you. Please share if you found the place you was looking for. Thanks

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@mattia | 4yr

2 different parameters to evaluate: personal residence and business residence. Iโ€™ve been thru that some years ago.
Theyโ€™re two totally different pair of gloves: the business residence is easy, just choose from a lot of incorporating services/accountants (not affiliated with them but suggest http://www.crunch.co.uk or http://ihorizon.co.uk/) The problem is with your personal residence. If you will be the managing director of the company, youโ€™ll need to reside there, otherwise itโ€™s tax evasion. Otherwise you have to hire (also from one of those service providers already mentioned or other fiduciary companies) one. And youโ€™ll be fine with corporate taxation. But then as your personal income and residence, the country where youโ€™ll be living in could give you problems. Itโ€™s a messy european bullshit from bureaucracy but itโ€™s so, for now.

I think, as someone suggested, the best solution is to move yourself to a low taxation country (South East Asia for example or Canary Islands or Portugal or Montenegro) and open a company to the nearest onshore/offshore not on blacklists. I.E. if you move anywhere in Asia (Vietnam is becoming the new China, biz hub) you can easily open an Hong Kong company or Singaporean company without anyone chasing after you cause itโ€™s perfectly legal. But keep in mind you have to move your true residency there in the low tax country.

Hope this helps.

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@itinerantdev | 4yr

If you have a UK LTD company youโ€™ll need an accountant to complete your annual returns (you canโ€™t do this yourself for a LTD company). Many UK accountants will let you have your mail go to them, especially if itโ€™s just stuff related to running your company.

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@np39 | 4yr

I keep an address by using UK Postbox (http://www.ukpostbox.com). So far, theyโ€™ve been pretty good. The mail receiving / scanning / address companies are more established in the US, and thereโ€™s more competition, which keeps features constantly improving. (I started in the US and use 2 different services there for my business โ€“ one with a CA address, one with a NY address.) Anyway, UK Postbox isnโ€™t quite as good as some of the US companies, but so far Iโ€™ve been quite happy with it.

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@blueblueocean | 4yr

Why in the world would you voluntarily want to give the government of a foreign country money for not living there at all?

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@zsoltee | 4yr

Did you just notice that the UK HMRC issued a 103 pages long document that defines the criteria to decide an individualโ€™s tax residency status? It has almost nothing to do with a residence address. With a fake address you canโ€™t prove anything if you donโ€™t actually stay in UK. So your home country will most probably consider this as tax evasion (even if you voluntarily pay taxes in the UK) and you will have to pay lots of late fees and penalties.
My strategy for the same problem is to actually move to a low tax country and live there. UK would be a poor choice for me because I donโ€™t like its weather and living costs.

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so whatโ€™s your country of choice? :slight_smile:

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@timhc22 | 4yr

You might like to check out a virtual business solution such as 1st formations (they will forward/scan mail for you too if you want): https://www.1stformations.co.uk/

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@pavel_maximov | 4yr

Thank you for the link, checking it out!

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@orca | 4yr

We can arrange a London address at ยฃ295 a year which works for our German, Italian and Spanish clients so it should be fine if its liked with a UK phone number which we can arrange too if needed.

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@pavel_maximov | 4yr

Can this address provide any proof of residence (fe contract with my name) for opening a bank account?

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@goblarus | 2mo

Still actual?

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@ani_goes_tweet | 4yr

Iโ€™m British and also need to maintain a UK address - for my bank, for the tax authorities, etc. I tried renting an address, but the company was quite sleazy and basically started blackmailing me, asking for me to pay a yearโ€™s renewal less than six months in, asking for money for this and that, not letting me come to collect my post (as their forwarding costs were exorbitant), harassing meโ€ฆ The โ€˜give us moneyโ€™ emails were quite sporadic and eventually it felt to me like they were just sending emails like that whenever their cash flow was bad! Soooo I found a friend who was happy for me to pay them instead, and everythingโ€™s been OK. Although I have had to change addresses (i.e. change from one friend to another) as the first friend was doing quite a bit of moving herself.

In a nutshell, find a friend in the UK who will let you use their address and pay for the service!

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@pavel_maximov | 4yr

Ani, thank you for sharing your experience, I will follow your advice and try to find somebody.

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I have recently opened a company in Estonia, and now looking for a bank to open a private account to receive salary to. Thing is, I am a Ukrainian citizen, and the fees are huge when making payments from my Estonian company bank account to the Ukrainian private account. For EU transfers, there are no fees. Also I do not feel my money are safe in Ukraine.

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Hi Guys,

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Hi Nomads!

Starting January 2016 Iโ€™m going to be starting a year as a Digital Nomad.
The last 5 years Iโ€™ve never worked with less than 2 monitors in front of me.
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I do webdesign and development and have created a working habbit with several monitors on a large desk. Funny enough this is my biggest concern getting closer to January.

How do i teach myself to work from a 15" screen?
Do you find working from a 15" screen enough or do you have some kind of magical folding screen in your backpack?

If you have any ideas for me keeping a dual-monitor setup (The laptop being the first monitor) Iโ€™m all ears!

Regards! And thank you for this delightful Forum!

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