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What's the best bank for South African digital nomads?


in South Africa by @kirst85 | 5yr  | 12 comments

Iโ€™m a South African about to become a Nomad next year. I will still be employed by a South African company and receive a salary into my FNB bank account monthly.

I will be mostly based in Serbia but plan on travelling a lot. Does anyone have any advice on the best bank account to have? Is there a way to not get charged a small fortune in ATM charges and avoid getting my account frozen for using it in lots of countries?

Iโ€™m unsure of the best way to handle things. Should I try get another bank account outside of SA (Can I even do that)? I also have a British Passport if that makes a difference.

If any of you have any experienced advice I would be very grateful, Thanks in advance!

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@ronald | 2yr

Iโ€™m with FNB and my card (normal cheque card) worked fine throughout my 4 years + in Asia.

Also slightly off topic, this morning I noticed that FNB got a built in form that issues bank letters and stuff, specifically for visa applications - in the past I physically had to go to the bank to get that issued.

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@kirst85 | 5yr

Hi, so you are right, Capitec does work the same as you have said @theunis .
So Iโ€™ve opened an account.

However I have just come across this which looks amazing!


Itโ€™s free, its an app and Bank Card (which they will deliver worldwide)
You can send and spend money globally with zero fees. And they donโ€™t charge any conversion fees.
Works with a lot of currencies and worldwide, no ATM fees and uses the interbank exchange rate. Iโ€™m gonna sign up and see how it gos.

Here is a thread on this forum discussing the service.

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@theunisk | 5yr

@Kirst85 have you been using revolut? If so, how has it been working for you? How has your experience been with depositing money into the account & the fees involved?

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@theunisk | 5yr

Ah I had thought you could only get one if you were in the UK. I was actually planning on signing up when I go to London next month.
It does seem great, although there are still charges related to getting money into the account & the loss of interest you can earn from your Capitec account (4.7% or something). With the ZAR tanking, it seems like a good idea though. Let me know how it goes if you donโ€™t mind.

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@kirst85 | 5yr

Hi, here for an update.
Iโ€™m leaving in a month so I neglected this till now.

Iโ€™m with FNB currently, they charge 2.75% of the amount on swipes (thats the currency conversion fee)
For ATM withdrawals its 2.75% plus R50.
If you go into an actual bank to withdraw money its 2.75% plus R50 AND R 1.65 per R 100.

Iโ€™m upgrading from a gold to a platinum/premier account because its not that much more expensive and I get access to the 24/7 Platinum Call Centre where I can get issues sorted out should I have any.

I ruled out FNBโ€™s global account because these are the currencies supported:
US Dollar , Euro, GBP, Australian Dollar, Indian Rupee, Chinese Renminbi

If you are in a country that does not use those currencies (i.e. Serbia where I will mostly be based) then the fees become much higher and it makes it not worth it.

Iโ€™m going to Capitec tomorrow to check out their global one account to see if its still the same. It seems so from the website so its probably the way to go.

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@theunisk | 5yr

Should be - at least mine still works the same.
FYI you only need wifi to access the banking app and even if your phone is not connected, you can still generate token passwords offline using the app to log in using a browser (I give this unsolicited as I got incorrect/bad information from multiple capitec staff members regarding this).

Enjoy the balkans!

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@anon82020850 | 5yr

Just came across this article this morning which may also help you:

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@anon82020850 | 5yr

I can basically just confirm what @theunis saysโ€ฆ

When I left SA about 3 years ago I did research and at that time Capitec was the cheapest. Their actual transaction fee was around R40 for ATM withdrawals (though I see theunis says it is now R45), but the key was that they did not charge any currency conversion fees.

Some of the other banks had a little lower transaction fee, but all of them charged a 5% currency conversion fee on top which made the transaction very expensive.

For the past year I have been using a local bank in Thailand as I have sort-of settled down here for a while, but before that I used the Capitec bank card all the time and never had a any problems. I had to use it again about 3 months ago and all still worked fine.

Just make sure you tell them that you will be using it overseas for an extended period, so they donโ€™t block the transactions as suspicious.

I would suggest though that you have a backup card from another bank just in caseโ€ฆ

Edit: BTW, if you are going to be in Europe exclusively you can perhaps look into FNBโ€™s Global Account which is a foreign currency based account (https://www.fnb.co.za/travel-products/global-acc.html). That should protect you a but against the Rand fluctuating, and also since it is already in the foreign currency there should be no currency conversion fees. Not 100% sure about the details though, so just enquire at your bank.

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@kirst85 | 5yr

Thanks @jerriep

I was thinking multiple banks would be a good idea. I will check out the FNB Global Account and let you guys know what I find out. But I will also be doing a small bit of travel to the US & Canada, but maybe multiple accounts could solve that.

Do you know anything about the legal implications (in South Africa) of having an offshore bank account since you have one in Thailand?

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@anon82020850 | 5yr

I am not aware of any legal implications, but also my situation was a little different from what I suspect yours will be. I worked for a local Thai company so it was Thai income that went into my Thai bank account. As far as SARS was concerned I just had to declare it as foreign income. I never moved money from SA into my Thai bank account.

If I understand your situation correctly you want to take money out of the country and deposit in a foreign bank account? If so you will be limited by the exchange control laws. Last I checked the amount you are allowed to take out of the country per annum was quite generous - somewhere in the R1 million region.

You need to check on the Reserve Bankโ€™s website though, or consult with a professional in this area.

Share what you learn here though please :smile:

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@theunisk | 5yr

Heya. Iโ€™ve been travelling through the balkans for the past 3 months. Back home I did quite a bit of research on this, and overall I think capitec has the lowest fees - R45 for an international cash withdrawal and free swipes, which I havenโ€™t had any trouble with. For both of these, at times the exchange rate was the rate you get when you google it, at the worst it was around 0.5% above that - Not sure if this is simply due to the randโ€™s recent volatility though.

I wanted to look into https://number26.de/ further, but didnโ€™t get around to it. Not sure if itโ€™s possible to get an account with them if youโ€™re not a german resident (Iโ€™ve read some conflicting information around the web). The legal issues surrounding keeping money in a foreign bank account is not very clear to me though - SA is quite strict about forex. Capitec did warn me my account might get frozen if I use it overseas for longer than 3 months - couldnโ€™t explain why though.

Whereabouts will you be travelling to?

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@kirst85 | 5yr

Thanks @theunis
Iโ€™ve also looked into https://number26.de/ but as far as I could tell you have to have a German address for them to ship the card to. Also as you mentioned there may be a lot of legal implications in having an offshore account.

It does worry me that Capitec said the card could be frozen, I donโ€™t intend to be back in SA for about a year and a half at least. And only then for a visit.

Iโ€™m going to be travelling to Serbia initially. My boyfriend is originally from there and has family there. We plan on using it as a base as we can stay and live there very cheaply to save money to fund our travels. Our first plan after that is to visit Family in Canada for a short time, but after that mainly travelling around Europe & Eastern Europe - France, UK, Greece, Croatia, Turkey etc etc.

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Hello digital nomad!

I dream of being an independent digital nomad. But it feels very elusive & unattainable with my success rate. In full disclosure, whilst I have dreamed about making money online since high school; I have not earned a single cent making money online. $0, nada, zilch!! On the contrary, I have spent a lot of time & money on books, podcasts. Even though I have spent a lot of time reading/listening to others, I do not have anything to show for it!

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Hello everyone! Iโ€™m new here and probably this is a very newbie question, but it doesnโ€™t leave my head.

How do you, nomads, pay your taxes? I mean, if youโ€™re constantly traveling, how are you going to pay taxes for a certain country if you are going to stay there a short period of time?
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by @rose_davis | 8mo 8 months ago | 7 comments

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Whatโ€™s the best place?
For residency Iโ€™m looking at Portugal and they have the NHR (non habitual resident) program which would exempt dividends from foreign income.
So all Iโ€™m really looking for is the best place to actually start the company.
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โŠ– seems very difficult to get a business bank account
โŠ– necessary services and fees are roughly around โ‚ฌ2000 / year
โŠ– accounting requirements seem to be very strict
โŠ• Doesnโ€™t require local partner
โŠ• Agencies available that seem to handle most of the work

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โŠ– requires a local director. What are the implications of this?

Malta
Corporate tax rate of 35%
There is the โ€œfull imputation systemโ€ but I donโ€™t really understand it.
"In most cases, the tax refund to the shareholder is 6/7 of the tax paid by the company on profits distributed as dividends. The tax refund rate may be different in the following cases: " This would result in an effective corporate tax of around 5%.
โŠ– European customers would have to pay VAT and Iโ€™d have to deal with that

Cyprus
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โŠ– European customers would have to pay VAT and Iโ€™d have to deal with that
โŠ– requires staying in Cyprus for 2 months / year

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When you meet new people or reconnect with old friends, do you โ€œoutโ€ yourself as a digital nomad? The simple question โ€œwhere do you live?โ€ makes us uncertain now. We wonder if some places may be less welcoming to digital nomads, or if โ€œdigital nomadโ€ has a negative connotation in some places. If you are forthcoming from the start, does your status as a digital nomad make it hard to form friendships?

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I have been a digital nomad for the last couple of years. I have always worked in tech and now run a couple of profitable online businesses that give me a reliable income and allow me to fund a nomadic lifestyle.

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by @jammingsloth | 1yr 1 year ago | 33 comments

Planning ahead for the winter. Iโ€™ll be in Spain in the Fall and want to go someplace warm for the winter in or near Europe, but not Schengen. Was first thinking Cape Town, but the internet is slow and it is very far. Was also thinking:
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by @lricci | 1yr 1 year ago | 8 comments

We launch in 2 weeks. In the US, we use Apple TV and Netflix regularly. Do these work abroad?

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What's the best bank account for a global nomad?

 

by @barrybjjoubert | 1yr 1 year ago | 25 comments

Dear all
As a wanna be nomad figuring out a way to get free of the rat race, I was wondering what is the best bank account to have while travelling the globe? I need an account where is easy for me to receive payments from all over the world and it also need to be a bank that I can find almost anywhere in the world. I want to avoid carry cash on me if itโ€™s possible.

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