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โ˜€๏ธ Waking up early๐ŸŒ™ Staying up late๐Ÿˆ Cats๐Ÿถ Dogs๐Ÿฉ Samoyeds๐Ÿต Teaโ˜•๏ธ Coffee๐Ÿธ Cocktails๐Ÿท Wine๐Ÿบ Beer๐Ÿพ Drinking alcohol๐Ÿฅ› No alcohol๐Ÿƒ 420๐Ÿ– Paleo๐Ÿฅฉ Eating meat๐ŸŸ Eating fish๐Ÿฅ’ Vegan๐Ÿฅ’ Vegetarian๐ŸŸ Pescetarian๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ท Korean food๐Ÿฃ Japanese food๐ŸŒฏ Mexican food๐Ÿ Italian food๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณ Chinese food๐Ÿ’ช Crossfit๐Ÿ’ช Fitnessโ›ฐ Hikingโ›ฐ Climbingโ›ฐ Outdoors๐Ÿคธโ€โ™€๏ธ Yoga๐Ÿ™ Spiritual๐ŸŒŠ Diving๐Ÿ„ Surfing๐ŸŽ Kitesurfing๐ŸŠ Swimming๐Ÿƒ Running๐Ÿšด Cycling๐Ÿ Motorcyclingโ›ต๏ธ Sailing๐Ÿ‚ Skateboarding๐Ÿ‚ Snowboardingโ›ท Skiing๐Ÿ’ช Fight sportsโšฝ๏ธ Football๐ŸŽ Race sportsโ›ณ๏ธ Golf๐ŸŽพ Tennis๐Ÿ“– Reading๐Ÿ‘พ Gaming๐Ÿ˜ Extrovert๐Ÿ˜ณ Introvert๐ŸŒ Third Culture Kid๐Ÿ‘ผ Youngest child๐Ÿ‘ถ Middle child๐Ÿง’ Oldest childโ›ฑ Beach๐Ÿ› Shoppingโ›ช๏ธ History๐Ÿ“บ Documentaries๐Ÿค” Philosophy๐ŸŽž Movies๐ŸŽธ Acoustic music๐ŸŽน Electronic musicโœ๏ธ Writing๐Ÿ“ธ Photography๐ŸŽž Film making๐Ÿ‘ฉโ€๐Ÿณ Cooking๐ŸŽจ Drawing๐ŸŽค Singing๐ŸŽ’ Backpacking๐Ÿš Vanlife๐Ÿ’ƒ Dancing๐Ÿ‘จโ€๐ŸŽค Partying๐Ÿš Urbex๐Ÿ’ช Feminism๐Ÿณ๏ธโ€๐ŸŒˆ Progressive politicsโš–๏ธ Centrist politics๐Ÿ‘ด Conservative politics

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Berlin

8ยฐC
Germany
 18 Oct '1625d12 Nov '1612 Nov '16
18 Oct '16

Hamburg

15ยฐC
Germany
 12 Oct '166d18 Oct '1618 Oct '16
12 Oct '16

Barcelona

23ยฐC
Spain
 25 Sep '161mo31 Oct '1631 Oct '16
25 Sep '16

Hamburg

18ยฐC
Germany
 22 Sep '163d25 Sep '1625 Sep '16
22 Sep '16

Paris

20ยฐC
France
 13 Sep '162d15 Sep '1615 Sep '16
13 Sep '16

Berlin

18ยฐC
Germany
 8 Sep '1614d22 Sep '1622 Sep '16
8 Sep '16

Hamburg

18ยฐC
Germany
 6 Sep '162d8 Sep '168 Sep '16
6 Sep '16

Berlin

18ยฐC
Germany
 5 Sep '161d6 Sep '166 Sep '16
5 Sep '16

Hamburg

18ยฐC
Germany
 1 Sep '164d5 Sep '165 Sep '16
1 Sep '16

Heidenheim

Germany
 11 Aug '1621d1 Sep '161 Sep '16
11 Aug '16

Hamburg

22ยฐC
Germany
 9 Aug '162d11 Aug '1611 Aug '16
9 Aug '16

Leipzig

28ยฐC
Germany
 2 Aug '167d9 Aug '169 Aug '16
2 Aug '16

Hamburg

22ยฐC
Germany
 29 Jul '164d2 Aug '162 Aug '16
29 Jul '16

Amsterdam

21ยฐC
Netherlands
 6 Jul '1616d22 Jul '1622 Jul '16
6 Jul '16

Hamburg

21ยฐC
Germany
 3 Jul '163d6 Jul '166 Jul '16
3 Jul '16

Ingolstadt

Germany
 28 Jun '165d3 Jul '163 Jul '16
28 Jun '16

Heidenheim

Germany
 27 Jun '161d28 Jun '1628 Jun '16
27 Jun '16

Hamburg

22ยฐC
Germany
 19 Jun '161d20 Jun '1620 Jun '16
19 Jun '16

Berlin

23ยฐC
Germany
 11 Jun '168d19 Jun '1619 Jun '16
11 Jun '16

San Francisco, CA

20ยฐC
United States
 22 May '1629d20 Jun '1620 Jun '16
22 May '16

Ubud, Bali

29ยฐC
Indonesia
 19 May '162d21 May '1621 May '16
19 May '16

Bangkok

35ยฐC
Thailand
 16 May '163d19 May '1619 May '16
16 May '16

Ko Tao

33ยฐC
Thailand
 11 May '165d16 May '1616 May '16
11 May '16

Ko Pha Ngan

31ยฐC
Thailand
 7 May '164d11 May '1611 May '16
7 May '16

Bangkok

35ยฐC
Thailand
 13 Apr '1624d7 May '167 May '16
13 Apr '16

Hoi An

31ยฐC
Vietnam
 10 Apr '163d13 Apr '1613 Apr '16
10 Apr '16

Da Nang

31ยฐC
Vietnam
 9 Apr '161d10 Apr '1610 Apr '16
9 Apr '16

Kuala Lumpur

32ยฐC
Malaysia
 21 Mar '1619d9 Apr '169 Apr '16
21 Mar '16

George Town, Penang

32ยฐC
Malaysia
 16 Mar '165d21 Mar '1621 Mar '16
16 Mar '16

Kota Kinabalu

32ยฐC
Malaysia
 13 Mar '163d16 Mar '1616 Mar '16
13 Mar '16

Kuala Lumpur

33ยฐC
Malaysia
 6 Mar '167d13 Mar '1613 Mar '16
6 Mar '16

Ipoh

31ยฐC
Malaysia
 16 Feb '1620d7 Mar '167 Mar '16
16 Feb '16

George Town, Penang

32ยฐC
Malaysia
 14 Jan '161mo15 Feb '1615 Feb '16
14 Jan '16

Kuala Lumpur

32ยฐC
Malaysia
2015
 3 Dec '151mo14 Jan '1614 Jan '16
3 Dec '15

Ko Lanta

32ยฐC
Thailand
 30 Nov '153d3 Dec '153 Dec '15
30 Nov '15

Bangkok

32ยฐC
Thailand
 17 Nov '1514d1 Dec '151 Dec '15
17 Nov '15

Chiang Mai

30ยฐC
Thailand
 3 Nov '1514d17 Nov '1517 Nov '15
3 Nov '15

Ho Chi Minh City

33ยฐC
Vietnam
 2 Nov '151d3 Nov '153 Nov '15
2 Nov '15

Bangkok

32ยฐC
Thailand
 9 Oct '1524d2 Nov '152 Nov '15
9 Oct '15

Chiang Mai

31ยฐC
Thailand
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๐ŸŒ Top countries

  • Germany
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3.22 5
    8684 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    okay
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    great
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    okay
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    good
    Tap to Open

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 26°79°24°76°AQI17
    6mo
    $ / mo
    28Mbps
  • Thailand
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3.29 5
    6862 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    good
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    okay
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    okay
    Tap to Open

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 49°120°35°95°AQI40
    3mo
    $ / mo
    17Mbps
  • Malaysia
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3.27 5
    2902 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    bad
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    okay
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    okay
    Tap to Open

    ๐ŸŒง Feels 49°119°34°92°AQI33
    3mo
    $ / mo
    10Mbps
  • Vietnam
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3.44 5
    3298 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    bad
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    good
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    okay
    Tap to Open

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 47°117°34°93°AQI50
    1mo
    $ / mo
    6Mbps
  • Indonesia
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3.2 5
    7676 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    bad
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    okay
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    okay
    Tap to Open

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 42°108°32°90°AQI34
    29d
    $ / mo
    8Mbps
  • United States
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    2.87 5
    121880 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    bad
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    great
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    okay
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    okay
    Tap to Open

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 25°77°24°75°AQI28
    8d
    $ / mo
    38Mbps
  • Spain
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3.29 5
    8890 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    okay
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    great
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    good
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    good
    Tap to Open

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 21°70°20°67°AQI17
    6d
    $ / mo
    27Mbps
  • Netherlands
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3 5
    7186 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    bad
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    great
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    okay
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    good
    Tap to Open

    ๐ŸŒง Feels 17°63°17°63°AQI18
    4d
    $ / mo
    35Mbps
  • ๐Ÿ›ฌ Frequent visits

  • Hamburg
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3.53 5
    220 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    bad
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    great
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    great
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    great
    Tap to Open

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 25°77°23°74°AQI35
    8x
    $ / mo
    33Mbps
  • Berlin
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    4.76 5
    226 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    okay
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    great
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    great
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    good
    Tap to Open

    Been living in 3 different centrally located airbnb in Berlin (2018), each between 800 and 900โ‚ฌ per month for 40-45 sqm (we're two, so 400-450โ‚ฌ each). Each time a full flat and not a shared airbnb, legal now since some months (though it was always possible to get a full flat before as well). Internet was always between 15 and 50 mbps. I spend 100โ‚ฌ per week on food, including restaurants (pretty cheap here), check for Turkish market on Maybachufer and Turkish stores in Neukรถlln (I spend less on food here than in Chiang Mai!). Berlin is such an awesome place to live, very multicultural, very tolerant, many different neighborhoods, quite relaxed feeling, many parks, lakes all around. No need to speak German at all. Come over here, probably one one of the best place on earth ;) (written in Sept 2018)

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 30°86°26°79°AQI24
    4x
    $ / mo
    24Mbps
  • Bangkok
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    4.7 5
    232 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    great
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    good
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    good
    Tap to Open

    Bangkok has some of the best private hospitals in the world. Which is interesting if you're in Asia a lot and you want medical care better than you can get in your home country. Bumrungrad Hospital in Bangkok is ranked #7 in the world. I did an executive health checkup there and it was great. Prices range from $250 to $750 depending on how many checks you want. You can get blood count, X Ray, ultrasound, hormone check, etc. They also have most other medical disciplines. I also got vaccinations renewed. The hospital is private so it's so much better than the overloaded public healthcare systems of Europe, Canada and UK where everyone tries to avoid helping you, is overworked and angry. In Bangkok they're super nice and helpful and you can make appointments straight with a specialist. Not blocked by a GP like in your home country.

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 55°131°37°99°๐Ÿ˜ทAQI77
    4x
    $ / mo
    21Mbps
  • Kuala Lumpur
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    4 5
    200 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    okay
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    bad
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    okay
    Tap to Open

    Mostly great weather year round and some of the best food in the world at cheap prices. Probably the best standard of living for the cost in an international city. Good but not excellent public transport. Some questionable reviews being left here by people who possibly never visited,

    ๐ŸŒง Feels 49°120°34°93°๐Ÿ˜ทAQI68
    3x
    $ / mo
    11Mbps
  • Chiang Mai
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    4.2 5
    224 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    great
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    good
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    good
    Tap to Open

    Great place. You can avoid the dropshipper, FBA and MLM webinar course people who have infested the coworkings here for years, by, well, just not visiting the coworking spaces here.

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 56°133°39°102°๐Ÿ˜ทAQI171
    2x
    $ / mo
    20Mbps
  • George Town
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3.32 5
    181 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    bad
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    okay
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    okay
    Tap to Open

    Great food, plenty of good cafes / co-working spaces to get stuff done, and interesting history too. My favs: - atCAT government coworking in the European part, $70 for a permanent desk for a month + locker - Little India right next to it, the food (especially vegan options) are stunning. (Chinese part too) - All of Georgetown is just gorgeous

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 56°133°36°96°AQI45
    2x
    $ / mo
    8Mbps
  • Barcelona
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    4.1 5
    222 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    bad
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    great
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    great
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    good
    Tap to Open

    great city - perfect weather , great food, great tech scene

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 21°70°20°67°AQI15
    1x
    $ / mo
    42Mbps
  • Paris
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3.25 5
    221 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    very bad
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    great
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    good
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    okay
    Tap to Open

    Not a very "freelance/artist" friendly city. The look of someone working inside a coffeeshop is still unusual and unappreciated. Extremely not accessible and not disable friendly (Metro, bus, building, coffeeshops and restaurants...)

    ๐ŸŒง Feels 15°59°15°59°AQI28
    1x
    $ / mo
    24Mbps
  • ๐Ÿ›Œ Longest stays

  • Hamburg
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3.53 5
    220 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    bad
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    great
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    great
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    great
    Tap to Open

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 25°77°23°74°AQI35
    4mo
    $ / mo
    33Mbps
  • Berlin
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    4.76 5
    226 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    okay
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    great
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    great
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    good
    Tap to Open

    Been living in 3 different centrally located airbnb in Berlin (2018), each between 800 and 900โ‚ฌ per month for 40-45 sqm (we're two, so 400-450โ‚ฌ each). Each time a full flat and not a shared airbnb, legal now since some months (though it was always possible to get a full flat before as well). Internet was always between 15 and 50 mbps. I spend 100โ‚ฌ per week on food, including restaurants (pretty cheap here), check for Turkish market on Maybachufer and Turkish stores in Neukรถlln (I spend less on food here than in Chiang Mai!). Berlin is such an awesome place to live, very multicultural, very tolerant, many different neighborhoods, quite relaxed feeling, many parks, lakes all around. No need to speak German at all. Come over here, probably one one of the best place on earth ;) (written in Sept 2018)

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 30°86°26°79°AQI24
    2mo
    $ / mo
    24Mbps
  • Ko Lanta
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3.22 5
    198 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    good
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    okay
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    good
    Tap to Open

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 56°133°36°97°AQI21
    1mo
    $ / mo
    16Mbps
  • George Town
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3.32 5
    181 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    bad
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    okay
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    okay
    Tap to Open

    Great food, plenty of good cafes / co-working spaces to get stuff done, and interesting history too. My favs: - atCAT government coworking in the European part, $70 for a permanent desk for a month + locker - Little India right next to it, the food (especially vegan options) are stunning. (Chinese part too) - All of Georgetown is just gorgeous

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 56°133°36°96°AQI45
    1mo
    $ / mo
    8Mbps
  • Chiang Mai
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    4.2 5
    224 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    great
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    good
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    good
    Tap to Open

    Great place. You can avoid the dropshipper, FBA and MLM webinar course people who have infested the coworkings here for years, by, well, just not visiting the coworking spaces here.

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 56°133°39°102°๐Ÿ˜ทAQI171
    1mo
    $ / mo
    20Mbps
  • Kuala Lumpur
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    4 5
    200 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    okay
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    bad
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    okay
    Tap to Open

    Mostly great weather year round and some of the best food in the world at cheap prices. Probably the best standard of living for the cost in an international city. Good but not excellent public transport. Some questionable reviews being left here by people who possibly never visited,

    ๐ŸŒง Feels 49°120°34°93°๐Ÿ˜ทAQI68
    1mo
    $ / mo
    11Mbps
  • Ubud
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    4.01 5
    200 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    bad
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    okay
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    good
    Tap to Open

    I like it here better than Canggu. It's more walkable, more cheap warungs, more convenient. You could find all kinds of shop catering to different type of visitor, from cheap to luxurious. Not a party place if you're looking for it, which made it even more perfect. More female than male, great for dating.

    ๐ŸŒฅ Feels 42°108°32°89°AQI13
    29d
    $ / mo
    6Mbps
  • Hoi An
    ๐ŸŽ’ Nomad Score
    3.79 5
    175 reviews
    ๐Ÿ’ต Cost
    good
    ๐Ÿ“ก Internet
    bad
    ๐Ÿ˜€ Fun
    good
    ๐Ÿ‘ฎ Safety
    okay
    Tap to Open

    Loved by solo female travelers for its mellowness and safety. You can bicycle around town, do some work in the cute cafes and coworkings and meet other nomads easily.

    ๐ŸŒค Feels 43°109°33°91°AQI35
    24d
    $ / mo
    8Mbps
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