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Where do you work from in Lisbon? 🧳☕

in Lisbon, Portugal by @dominiksobe | 1mo 1mo | 1 comment

Hi everyone,

I am going to move to Lisbon in July and I was wondering where you guys work from? Do you have any recommendations for working on a budget? Any good cafès or cheap coworking spaces?

I did some research and found some coworking spaces for > ~ 100€ p. month which is pretty reasonable but too much for me right now.

Thanks!

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@lukenomadic | 1mo 1mo

I used "getcroissant" whilst I was in Lisbon. You basically choose a number of coworking hours per month and are then free to choose any of the partnering co-working spaces. I recommend Heden, Selina and Outsite.

There are also plenty of wonderful cafes to work from. Several Copenhagen Coffee Labs, Heim, The Mill...

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How to find a short-term apartment in Lisbon?

in Lisbon, Portugal by @jenny_ | 4yr 4yr | 10 comments

Hi everyone,

we plan to work from Lisbon from mid of April to mid of June this year and were wondering if anyone knows how to find a short-term apartment. AirBnB does not really offer much under 1000 Euro, which seems a bit high to us.

We are looking for a 1-bedroom apartment close to the city centre - budget: max 800 Euro. Can someone help?

Thanks! Jenny & Sebastian

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@flyingscottie | 3yr 3yr

Hi Jenny,

Did you find something? Are you here in Lisbon now?

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@jenny_ | 3yr 3yr

Hi,
Yes! We found something on airbnb (way too expensive though) and stayed there for one month in May last year. Actually it was pretty hard to find something appropriate and we ended up paying 1000 Euro for the month.

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@timhc22 | 4yr 4yr

1000?? I stayed there for a month (in the centre) in july last year for about 316 (using airbnb).
Did you set the filters correctly? Also maybe try zooming in on the map, because sometimes it doesn’t show places until you do!

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@jenny_ | 4yr 4yr

Did you stay in a private room or did you have your own apartment? We would like to have our own apartment from which we can work from most of the time, too.

I’ll have another look at airbnb and the websites Tiagor suggested, but last time I checked the cheapest option cost something around 800 Euro/month. Hope we’ll find something cheaper, soon.

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@kristin | 4yr 4yr

I would definitely recommend Uniplaces, they should have something that’s easily in your budget.
I’m living in Lisbon since 2.5 years, I’m sure you’ll love it!

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@flyingscottie | 4yr 4yr

Hi Jenny,

Can’t offer too much info on the accommodation, but if you want to get together when you arrive, ping me a message. My partner and I have been here since January and we LOVE Lisbon

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@jenny_ | 4yr 4yr

Will do! Thanks

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@jenny_ | 4yr 4yr

Thanks guys! We’ll check it out! Jenny

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@work_travel_repeat | 4yr 4yr

I’ve learned that it’s not uncommon for hosts to provide discounts, even on top of the monthly discount, when asked. Especially for multi-month stays. The last place I stayed I messaged two places in the same price range and with similar amenities: “I’m interested in booking for 3 months. Do you have any additional discounts available?” One host declined, the other offered a 30% discount with no additional haggling, and my dates were during high season.

In my limited experience it seems to be more successful with people who are managing their own property and would be happy for the guaranteed income and reducing the overall hassle. I haven’t had any success with professional hosts that are doing this as their full-time job and managing other people’s property.

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@reganha | 4yr 4yr

With that budget you’ll get something very nice easily

Check it out:

https://www.uniplaces.com/accommodation/lisbon?move-in=2016-04-15&move-out=2016-06-14&rent-types[]=entire-property&north=38.793882266687085&east=-9.01005499236112&south=38.65749483419974&west=-9.248664609948037

There is also the “locals” facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/159234807548975/permalink/668792903259827/

Search for T1 (which is what we call an 1 bedroom apartment), and avoid listings that don’t have pictures and/or say “procuro” as they are from people searching, not offering. Be aware most people here are looking for 1 year rentals, so uniplaces may be your best alternative to airbnb.

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What are the best Lisbon neighborhoods to live in?

in Lisbon, Portugal by @thefakekozy | 4yr 4yr | 12 comments

Hello friends

Moving to Lisbon with my gf for some slow nomadism in November '16 and could really use some recommendations as to where to set up a longer term residence! I just finished about 9 months in Brasil (Portuguese is still basic, but getting better everyday) and 10 months in Australia before that. I’ve applied for the residency visa so I won’t get the boot after 90 days like most US citizens in the Schengen zone.

Looking for something somewhat trendy, with good places to eat and near public transit. Would love to keep rent under $800/month for 1bd place, but can go up to $1000. I’ve heard about Santos and Alcantara from another nomadic blog, but would appreciate any insight on favorite hoods/locations and generally getting around Lisbon.

Cheers,
Kozy

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@ttasterisco | 4yr 4yr

Parque das Nações isn’t on a hill, the area from Baixa to Marquês isn’t on a hill either.
Even Almirante Reis up to Alameda isn’t on a hill, though it’s starting to go up.

As for biking, while it’s not a great place to bike, a lot of people have started doing it on a day to day basis. Really depends on your commute.

You mean “Cacilhas”

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@reganha | 4yr 4yr

<2>@kolyo.g.kolev already said everything I’d just like to add that almost every Portuguese person understands basic English, and most are proficient, so language won’t be a problem.

Also, Uber is your bestfriend in Lisbon when going out of the “touristic center” (pretty much the area in green), cheap, fast, transparent.

Lisbon is very car friendly (even tho the locals don’t think so), you can get anywhere really fast unless it’s rush hour.

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@kolyo | 4yr 4yr

Hi Kozy

I lived in Lisbon for a few months, I loved it, and I think I could be of help here.

In my opinion, Avenidas Novas would fit your description “somewhat trendy, with good places to eat and near public transit” - this is a modern city area well-served by transport (unlike most historical ones) as it was built in the 20th century. I was able to work from a different wif-fi café/bakery almost every day, and never covered them all (check Linha d’Agua for example), an endless choice of local and international food and easy access to the party town (10-5 min via metro). My favorite spot was a park (Gulbenkian) with high speed wi-fi where I could work “in the nature” while the shopping center is 5 min walk. Another positive is that as this is the business City, you get things open until late.

Second best, I’d say São Bento - walking distance to party, the trendiest restaurants in town on your doorstep, again loads of wi-fi cafés. Downside is the transport - its an area built on a steep hill with the nearest metro (Rato) being on top of that same hill. However, compared to Avenidas Novas this area feels much more authentic with its tramways, 19/20 century buildings, markets. It is expensive but your indicated budget would be OK pretty much anywhere in Lisbon.

Alcantara, as somebody already mentioned, is great for nomads because of the LX factory and its under-the-huge-bridge appeal but for a longer stay you might get bored of LX and Alcantara is somewhat isolated from the city. Also, public transport is affected by mass tourism - you do have the trams but you might wait for 3-4 cars before you squeeze in. I prefer the relatively quiet metro station and trip from “Parque” million times.

If you feel adventurous (maybe for 1 week of your stay), have a look at Casilhas - its on the opposite side of the river Tagus (Tejo) and it is served by regular transport of a Portuguese kind - iconic orange boats which take 8 mins to get you to the Lisbon port, just in front of the bar area. I lived on the other side for a while too and travelling by boat twice per day (for 2.30 return!) with the great view this trip offers, tops all public transport in the world. It really makes your day. Living in Casilhas also means you have a selection of fish restaurants on your doorstep, and an awesome view of the city. It’s 2x+ cheaper. However, last boat is at 1.40 am and you might get stuck on the wrong side of the river later than that (taxi circa 25 euro). Nothings works late and the wi-fi cafés are limited edition.

My recommendation - Alcantara, Casilhas or Alfama for short (romantic/cultural) stay; Sao Bento/Rato or Avenidas Novas for longer term city life with easy access to anything.

This is obviously my view - if you need anything else, let me know.
P.s. I’ll be in town for the Web Summit in 2 weeks.

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@thefakekozy | 4yr 4yr

Thanks for the comprehensive reply! Lots of good info to digest.

Are there many coworking spaces by Avenidas Novas? I’ve found after some time nomading that I tend to be more productive/am more disciplined working from hotdesks than necessarily wifi cafes or even parks. I train parkour so enjoy my outdoor spaces outside of my normal work haha (extra points if you know any spots or people in that community!) The high speed wifi park sounds tempting though! Very much like that this neighborhood seems close to several metro stops (blue, yellow, & red lines if I’m not mistaken). How’s the view from there? Looks hard to beat Alfama’s view

Was looking at a spot near Sao Bento that I liked quite a bit, but glad you mentioned the hill as it can be tricky to figure out the topography of the neighborhood you’ll be in without doing a full GoogleEarth tour.

Adding Casilhas to the list for maybe a nice long weekend to try it out!

I hear the trams are fairly packed from several people - so they’re not the most reliable to get around the old, touristic parts of the city? Not shying away from uber (long-time user and advocate) but know it can get expensive on a daily basis

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@kolyo | 4yr 4yr

Hi - glad to help, it’s no secret I love Lisbon!

The main coworking spaces in Lisbon are in Chiado/ Cais do Sodré/ Parque das Naçoes. I’m not an expert in these as I work from home, coffee shops or parks, but if you’re looking for an authentic and chilled out space, give Cowork Campolide a try https://www.facebook.com/coworkcampolide/ - about 10-5 min walk from Avenidas Novas. You’ll be treated well. There are others around Saldanha, but I found them more corporate and dry.

Regarding Parkour, you’ve probably watched the videos of the Line Team already - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzR_csffXWopRb64mkxZRgQ I don’t know them in person but they might be your best bet. Being the city of seven hills and offering a great staircase per capita rate, the entire city comes close to a parkourer’s dream, I guess.

Everything is on a hill in Lisbon, except for the small Baixa area and Santos. Avenidas Novas, unlike all the rest is on a hill which doesn’t challenge you to the extreme. I used to walk there as the weather in Lisbon is usually fantastic, and Uber/metro when it rains. Yes, all lines of the metro are also on your doorstep - it is the best connected area. AN has a nice viewpoint at the top of the Eduardo VII park, but it doesn’t feature in my Top 5 viewpoints (Miradouros) as these belong to the historical hills, closer to the river. One of the best being Miradouro da Senhora do Monte.

I would only take a tram if a friend was visiting me (the iconic 28 running from Alfama to Bairro Alto), or if i have the day to explore a new area of the old city. However, it is not a reliable day-to-day transport, with the exception of the Estrela/Santos neighborhoods where there are less or no tourists (but students) and better frequency.

Hope this helps, and anything else - let me know

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@thefakekozy | 4yr 4yr

Great recommendations again! Hahaha, that’s awesome…yeah Luis and Pedro of Line Team (in that video) are legends in the int’l scene. Trained with Luis once in Rio I think - awesome guy!

Getting around on the daily: since it’s so hilly are bikes or a boosted board (motorized longboard) not recommended? Fine with walking, but also like other options if they’re available.

Also, how do you recommend getting a place? AirBnb? Uniplaces?

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@kolyo | 4yr 4yr

Thank you!
Not an expert in boosted boards, so can’t comment there, but it’s a general consensus Lisbon is not a bike-friendly city, and once you land you will quickly understand why (traffic, roadworks, small alleys…). Then, you seem professional so these obstacles could make it more fun for you !

Accommodation (here I am more of an expert):

Airbnb in Lisbon is OK but you will pay Tourist prices (x3 than the locals).
Uniplaces - a local firm with amazing team but only if you have good 2-3 weeks + before you arrive, as landlords can take time to come back and they don’t advertise exclusively there. You should know this is not an instant booking app. Here you pay Erasmus* prices so 1.5x -2x than the locals.
So what do the locals do? They have facebook groups where things get literally grabbed in seconds, request to join: https://www.facebook.com/groups/CasasparaarrendaremLisboapormenosde500euros/ - this one is up t 500 EUR per month
https://www.facebook.com/groups/446389568835970/ - up to 300 EUR per month

*Lisbon has an incredible Erasmus (students on exchange) economy and also niche accommodation providers to cater for that audience. Bear in mind, we are in the middle of the academic semester, so you might need a student to drop off to take their spot, but their base can be excellent value for money:

I stayed with these guys: http://www.ondacity.com/ - it’s a cool team - they speak English and if you’re staying for 2 months + they are likely to accept you in case there are vacancies (they have rooms/ studios/ flats). I needed to move in asap and they managed the sign in in less than 3 days, so this is a good emergency service.
Similar providers are http://www.livinlisbon.com/student-rooms/.
…and if you are really lucky, you can get in http://www.uhub.eu/pt/residencias/lisboa/picoas - it’s great location, studio. There is also a huge city view terrace and air con working space on the top floor. Reasonably priced. I think it comes close to a nomad’s dream. It’s also 100 meters walk to metro and Virgin Active (https://www.virginactive.pt/ginasios/ginasio-lisboa-palacio-sottomayor) - one of Lisbon’s top gym+pool+sport centers (comes at around 60 Eur on an Erasmus deal). I went for a viewing at UHub’s Picoas location, and really liked it but then… the then current tenant extended her stay and I got left out! It still hurts to this day

So here’s another advice to get the most out of Lisbon: the sentence “I’m Erasmus” opens doors for you, and you would never have a day without a party invite on facebook if you learn how to use it (“ESN Lisboa” is a good page to start from). One of the reasons I moved out of Lisbon after 8 months was that it was just too much fun !!

Enjoy and anything else, let me know

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@thefakekozy | 4yr 4yr

So I assume they don’t make a big deal if you’re not a student? Would be easy enough to sign up for Portuguese lessons at a local Uni if need be, but just wondering if they start asking for student ID etc. at these spots.

Uhub and LivinLisbon looks currently sold out, but I hit them up about being put on the waiting list. OndaCity looks awesome though too!

Thanks again, mate! Saving the day! Sorry to have missed you for Web Summit - I touch down next week :-/

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@jmnsf | 4yr 4yr

Alcântara will put you near Lx Factory which is a pretty awesome mini-neighborhood with indie shops, bars, cafés and office spots. There’s also good transportation around, so could be a great option at a lower price point.

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@nomadbubble | 4yr 4yr

I went to a coworking space in LX Factory, it was a good place to get some work done. And nice breakfast places, too!

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@ttasterisco | 4yr 4yr

anywhere inside the green area will fit your budget and requirements.

santos and alcantara are nice but not as hot as bairro alto, rato, alfama, baixa

getting around lisbon really depends on where you live and where you want to go. but you’ll either be driving or taking the subway (or bus).

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@africajam | 4yr 4yr

Would it help to have a map where you can draw the areas and comment on them

Like this:

http://pickingplaces.com/b/areas/lisbon

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Do you know good gyms in Lisbon, Portugal?

in Lisbon, Portugal by @chappupi | 5yr 5yr | 4 comments

Hi!
I just moved to Lisbon, Portugal. I’m in the Alfama district, near Santa Apolónia metro.
I’d really like to find a gym which has weights and cardio machines. It looks like there are incredibly few options in Lisbon - and all extremely expensive.

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@juliendevoir | 4yr 4yr

If you want to, you can also try Crossfit (fitness but better).

The Crossfit Bakery is such a nice place, I went there several times, coaches are friendly and helpful.

Better way to stay fit working cardio & muscles thank fitness club

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@adamsimms | 5yr 5yr

When I was staying in Alfama, I was walking to Envy Health & Fitness (R. do Carmo 29.) It’s a high-end gym that’s very beautiful, but a little compressed. I went in the mornings and it was often very quiet, it’s not a gym that will work well if there are many people at once. It’s worth to check it out. If I remember correctly it was a bit pricey, but I felt I was getting the value.

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@reganha | 5yr 5yr

HI @joshadamlevy , you moved into one of the “touristic” zones. Not the best place to live IMO.

Try to find a FitnessHut nearby, it’s cheap and it’s pretty decent if you avoid the peak hours (5 to 8 pm).

I live right beside Av. Roma, where Centro Supera just opened. It’s a massive gym with pool, spa and a lot of stuff and their plans go from as low as 27€ / month.

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@chappupi | 5yr 5yr

Thanks for the reply. Very helpful.

Indeed, the people of Alfama seem to keep fit by walking up and down all the winding stairs in the area. There isn’t a single gym.

I checked out Envy. Yes, it is beautiful. Yes, it is pricey (65 euros per month - and only with a 3 month+ contract). Yes, it is cramped and has an awkward layout. I felt uncomfortable there. It felt cramped, and even with only 4 people in the weight room. It also felt quite pretentious.

The Fitness Huts aren’t near Alfama, although they look great. Instead, I found a place called ‘ginasio fabrica do fisico.’ It is a 13 minute bus ride from my flat in the Alfama (I have a monthly public transit pass, which costs 35 euros per month). The gym costs 29 euros per month and there is no contract. The gym is huge, uncrowded, and clean but not pretentious.

If you are staying for a few days in the city’s old center, Envy is a great option to treat yourself. For a longer stay, I highly recommend Ginasio Fabrica do Fisico.

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Lisbon vs Barcelona for mid- to long-term stay: any advice?

in Lisbon, Portugal by @tvrhe | 5yr 5yr | 24 comments

Hi guys,

From this spring onwards I’m returning to Europe and I’m looking to either set up a home base in Lisbon or Barcelona. Any fellow nomads who can share their experiences of living in either of those cities?

I’ve only been to Barcelona and I like the vibe a lot. Major downside is the tourists (obviously).

To me it seems that both cities have good infrastructure, internet, climate (mediterranean), nightlife, culture, food, beaches (and Lisbon is good for surfing as well of course). Price wise, Lisbon is obviously a bit cheaper.

One important consideration is the public transport. Since I’m not looking to rent a car I prefer the city where I can travel on foot, bike or metro.

Based on my limited info, it’s hard to pick one. Any advice would be very much appreciated!

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@lopesrosanna | 4yr 4yr

I’ve lived for 4 years in Barcelona and have been many times after that, also spent some time in Lisbon, as I’m half Portuguese. A lot has been said about Barcelona and Lisbon so I’m only here to +1 Lisbon. Had you asked the question say, 6 years ago, my answer would have been Barcelona.

Lisbon has, imho:

better food
nicer people
is equally as beautiful (but in a different way)
is cheaper
has a more exciting startup scene
equally as many beautiful places to visit outside of the city (also different)
less annoying tourists
Equally as fun night life
Better level of English
Lisbon is better at mixing the new with the old
Equally as many options to work from
Weather equally as great but perhaps slightly lower temperature in the evenings in Lisbon

For me, Lisbon is the place to be in Europe at the moment. Good luck and enjoy!

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@tkrunning | 4yr 4yr

I haven’t lived in Barcelona (but I’m planning to visit soon), so I cannot really comment there. But Lisbon is still my favorite city anywhere, even after exploring/living in large parts of Europe, SE Asia, the US (both west and east), and Latin America.

It’s laid back, fun, cheap, has great internet, great weather most of the year, it looks stunning, locals are very friendly, it’s close to the ocean, great food, and so on.

Overall just a great mix of quality of life, low costs, and a safe, well-functioning society.

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@tuesdaygroup | 4yr 4yr

Ive lived in both and prefer Lisbon

The people are really friendly and it’s pretty damn cheap considering!

Living in Lisbon made me a more relaxed person and out of all the places i’ve been had the biggest impact on me.

Highly recommended, also you have the whole west coast of Portugal to explore and surf!

Hope this helps any other questions just hit me up

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@poppyjikko | 5yr 5yr

It’s a Go for us, we may find our way to Carinho do vino or A merendinha do arco (or someone’s hidden gem) afterward !

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@codino | 5yr 5yr

I am based in Barcelona however, I enjoy both Barcelona and Lisbon, even though the city-vibe is quite different from eachother.

In Barcelona, high energy can be seen throughout the city with tourists flocking to La Ramblas and the nearby beaches, while serving as a perfect hub for start-ups and freelancers to network.
Lisbon, on the other hand is more like an hidden gem. It is very authentic with more places still yet to be discovered.

Compared to Lisbon, Barcelona is about 15% more expensive than Lisbon - as long as you don’t run into the many tourist traps.
If you compare both cities on numbeo.com, most goods and services are more expensive here in Barcelona, but there is the possibility to pay much less if you know how thing work in this city.

Getting an apartment isn’t difficult either.
You can get long-term apartments for about 8€/m² in non-trendy but well connected parts like Sants or Sant Andreu.
In Poble Sec, you can find plenty of bars to meet up for beers, pinchos, and tapas for about 1€ or a enjoy a set lunch for 7,50€.
The metro is also conveniently located and costs less than 1€.
And if you’re looking to jetset, Barcelona serves as a great hub with hostel beds in low season are from 6€ and plenty of flight connections to all over Europe around 20€.
However, it’s easy to get caught up in the high-energetic life in Barcelona with many temptations all around.
Much of the nightlife is posh and the better-known clubs charge 7€ for a beer or 10€ for a cocktail.

The good thing is, you can make living in Barcelona as expensive as you want.
Most of the locals live off 1000€ or so a month.
In a sense, you can hack the system and learn tricks to survive on a shoestring.
For example, you can pay nothing to get into clubs just by signing in online at guestlist.
Additionally, you can go coworking from cafes with fast-internet, meet other nomads, join lectures and workshops at the many zero-cost-meetups (where also the beer is free).
Also the infrastructure is surprisingly good—efficient public transport, bike-sharing stations everywhere, and a there’s a walkable city centre so there really is no need to use the metro most of the time.
There are so many great opportunities funded by the city such as free support for entrepreneurs from Barcelona Activa, free use of libraries, open air events all year round and many possibilities for outdoor-activities. The beach and the great weather are also a priceless advantages!
So, take your time and soak it all in. In the end, you’ll see that spending some time in this city will be a much better investment than a quick tourist trip.

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@dpt | 5yr 5yr

There is one somewhere between Arroios and Intendente; walk Avenida Almirante Reis (on the eastern side). Look into the side streets, somewhere there is one of the domes.

Another one was on the azul line somewhere after São Sebastiao, but even after looking at the map I can’t remember what stop.

Another market is the Mercado de Campo de Ourique (http://www.mercadodecampodeourique.pt/contactos/). It’s somewhat similar, but it also has a food court and is not in a round building like the others. Maybe it would work to go there and ask for locations of similar markets.

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@dpt | 5yr 5yr

For healthy food in Portugal: there are large dome-shaped things all over Lisbon with farmers markets inside. They’re all ordered cyclically with fruits and vegetables on the
outside and meat and fish in the center.
Once you know this you will start recognizing these things all over town.

But you can also get decent quality stuff at Pingo Doce, they have a store every few blocks.

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@bavals | 5yr 5yr

@dpt This is very interesting… Could you give me a couple of approximate locations (e.g. intersections) where I can look for the “dome-shaped things”? I don’t think I’ve ever seen one and I’ve walked pretty much all over: Baixa, Bairo Alto, Rato, Amoreiras, Campo Pequeno, Estefania… Of course, it could easily be that I saw one but didn’t know what I was looking at.

P.S. If anyone wants to get together for dinner in Lisbon in the next 2 weeks, I’d be game for that.

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@poppyjikko | 5yr 5yr

Tomorrow (thursday) ? PM us

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@flyingscottie | 5yr 5yr

Me and @chapuppi are here too in Lisbon. Loving the city, but struggling with food. One is veggie and one is wheat-free.

Hoping to meet @phillippe and Conchita and @bisonravi soon

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@lopesrosanna | 4yr 4yr

About 10 years ago, I was living in Algarve and was in the supermarket shopping with a Dutch vegetarian friend. I asked if they had any meat substitutes. The answer was “You mean fish?”. I bet it can get pretty tough in Portugal with special diets. Lucky are those who eat everything (me. in abundance.).

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@poppyjikko | 5yr 5yr

Oh
you could have said that before ^^°

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@poppyjikko | 5yr 5yr

We would land in Lisbon on monday
Stay tuned for ongoing #Nomad’sDinner! (and meetup asap)

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@reganha | 5yr 5yr

@tvr I’ve lived in Lisbon for nearly 3 years and before that my “childhood” was spent about 60 km from the city.
It’s hard to appreciate and describe a city when you haven’t spent much time somewhere else, but I’ve spent nearly 6 months in Taipei, Taiwan, and I’ve been traveling around SE Asia (Phuket, Bangkok, Shanghai, Singapore).

All I can say is that I can’t wait to go back.

Biggest points to Lisbon:

Crazy cheap living costs, really. After being in Taipei, I won’t ever complain with the prices in Lisbon. 80 cents for a Kg of spaguetti to cook at home and 40 cents for a litter of milk never felt so awesome.
The weather… I used to dread the winter months (from November to February), where half of the days are grey and rainy and temperature is around 12 to 19ºC. Only now I realized how great that is compared to most places. Specially the sunny part, I can stand some low temps and rain, but please give me some blue sky and sun. Apart from those months, it’s a great weather to live/work with, may get a bit hot in the summer some days, but completellly managable since it’s dry weather.
The easyness, calmness of the city. Some may consider this a downside, but it’s just THAT easy to live in Lisbon. To give you a perspective, I lived in Campo Pequeno and had a car, which I parked on the street (free after you get your “resident card”) and drove daily to the university (also in the enter). Try doing that in Barcelona Everyone is laidback, things move slow, it’s a great environment to work on, as long as you don’t let yourself be slow aswell.
Portuguese people usually do their shopping in big supermarkets, but you still have small stores everywhere in the city. The quality of the food, veggies, fruit, etc, is really good even in the big supermarkets, and everything is so f*cking cheap!

200/20 MB internet costs 26€/month with TV (2 year contract tho), cellphone card with 1GB and unlimited calling costs around 15€, 5Gb for 20€.
Low costs gymnasiums cost 25€ / month, the big chain with spa and stuff, around 40-50€.
Local restaurants cost anywhere from 7€ to 15€ (eat all you can/buffet) and the food is great. You can also have small meals (main dish, coffee and drink) for as low as 5 to 7€.
A bedroom in the city center costs 250 to 280€. A studio/1 bedroom probably around 350 to 400€. This prices go up if you try to live near the “tourist center”, which I don’t recommend for daily living.
Taxis suck as they try to overcharge foreigners, but you have Uber that is super cheap compared to other Western countries.
I don’t know about bikes and walking, portuguese people are lazy, we drive everywhere . Metro system is solid, monthly pass costs 35€ if I’m not mistaken.

Ok I could go on and on… @tvr @bisonravi @joshadamlevy If you do the move or anyone else that will or is already in Lisbon, I don’t mind being your “go to guy” whenever you need some “local” info or anything sorted out. I’ll be back to Lisbon next month

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@tvrhe | 5yr 5yr

great post, I will contact you if/when I go to Lisbon : )

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@chrispreynolds | 5yr 5yr

I cant vouch for Lisbon, but I have spent tons of time in Barca and even run coliving houses for digital nomads there. For me it is the best city on the planet. I think it is amazing for DN’s and just the perfect place to be…for me. To each their own. I know the DC (a group of digital nomads) has a strong presence there and growing. Good costs, good people, good living!

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@antonioevans | 5yr 5yr

I have lived in both for months at a time. Lisboa is more my vibe the older I get in that its smaller and feels a bit more intimate. I would also agree with people saying it is safer. Much less pickpockets or too much dunken silliness (though in Bairro Alto you would see that). Really all depend on you. I would stay each for a month then see which you would like best.

The DN Community in Lisboa isnt as big compared to Barca.

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@ttasterisco | 5yr 5yr

So, IIRC Barcelona’s metro closes kinda early (except Saturdays), but the city is a lot more foot and bike-friendly than Lisbon. But since most expats in Lisbon tend to stay in the more center (and thus foot-friendly) areas, I would say that it’s not that big of a deal.

Like it has been said, Lisbon will have less young (and drunk) tourists. And it’s cheaper. I also prefer Portuguese cuisine to the Spanish cuisine. People don’t really worry about organic food since this is Europe and the EU is a lot more restrictive than the FDA. Most veggies/fruit in the supermarket will be fresh.

There are some tech/startup meetups in Lisbon and there are now quite a few coworking spaces. Startup Lisboa is the main startup organization in Lisbon/Portugal and they have a few expats there.

Btw surfing isn’t really “close”. It’s a ~1hr drive (and similar ride by train).

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@wanderingdev | 5yr 5yr

I would choose Lisbon over Barcelona. I personally prefer it more and one of the main reasons is that fewer tourists seem to make it all the way there and when they don’t they don’t seem to be as much ‘frat boy on drunken holiday’ as the ones in Barcelona do.

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@bavals | 5yr 5yr

FOOD

This is a little strange, but I haven’t noticed too much of a “farmer’s marker” culture here. In fact, I don’t know of any outdoor markets. People just seem to be content to go to the supermarkets.

For higher-end groceries, including organic stuff, there is Celeiro with several stores in central Lisbon:
www.celeiro.pt/lojas

I’ve been meaning to check out Brio (www.brio.pt) but haven’t yet gotten around to do that.

STARTUPS

I have no idea about nomads, but there are digital entrepreneurs moving here for sure, especially from ridiculously expensive locations such as the UK. The biggest draws are a reasonable cost of living, decent infrastructure, and plenty of under-employed students and young grads (=inexpensive yet highly educated labor force, ripe for being exploited by pie-in-the-sky start-up impresarios… I am being cynical, I know…).

I haven’t made a concerted effort to network with anyone since I am no longer sure I have the required “startup” mentality (I suspect I may have grown out of it, having been doing things online for 20 years and seen how much of the culture around it is pure BS), but maybe this will be useful: startuplisboa.com. Check the meet-ups, too.

For shared offices and such, I think there are a few decent options and none very expensive. Here is one example I was considering myself: liberdade229.com. As you can see, it’s only 180E / mo.

You can also check out what’s listed on copass.org. FWIW, I once used that site for a 2-day meeting and quickly grokked that people running small spaces would prefer if you came to them directly rather than through an intermediary. It’s all very informal, anyway.

P.S. Sorry for injecting my ideological bias into this. Just take the links if you don’t care for the jaded would-be tycoon talk.

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@tvrhe | 5yr 5yr

(I suspect I may have grown out of it, having been doing things online for 20 years and seen how much of the culture around it is pure BS)

haha THIS! I agree so much with this. Yeah I was referring more to a lively expat community then a startup scene tbh.

Once again thanks for the info.

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@bavals | 5yr 5yr

I am in Lisbon right now and having spent about 3 months (cumulatively) in each of the two cities, I sort of feel that I am starting to feel at home in both of them. Although I like them both, I imagine it’s very personal.

Lisbon feel smaller. There are fewer tourists (although still quite a few, especially downtown) and those who come are not necessarily young and boisterous (as it largely seems to be the case in Barcelona). The Lisbon Metro is excellent, but I rarely use it since I tend to go everywhere on foot. Actually, entire Lisbon is borderline manageable on foot: the distance from the very “bottom” of the city (Praça do Comércio) to the Campo Grande (an effective northern boundary of the central city) can be walked in about an hour and a half.

Lisbon is indeed cheaper than Barcelona. I’d also say that it feels somewhat safer. On the other hand, Barcelona feels more “developed” and modern. Nevertheless, what I like about Lisbon’s commercial texture is that there are many super-modern and designer-y boutiques, cafés, and shops peppered even among its seemingly rundown blocks. This creates a pretty cool contrast. There are also many low-end shops in central Lisbon, which I think makes the city a livable place for locals and less of a museum (the day when everything here becomes a boutique targeting foreigners will be a sad day indeed).

Finally, you have to train your ear to figure out which language (or combination thereof) you like better: Portuguese, with quite a few local English speakers, or Spanish+Catalan, with more tourists but fewer local English speakers. To me, Portuguese is a lot more challenging to understand, especially the local, European version, but I still like it.

But don’t decide anything before you visit.

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@chappupi | 5yr 5yr

Thanks for writing this. I am moving to Lisbon (will be living in the Alfama) in 1 week and will be there for about 5 months. My girlfriend and I deliberated the Lisbon vs. Barcelona question.
Your info is incredibly helpful. Cheers.

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@tvrhe | 5yr 5yr

What a great reply. This is very helpful.

2 follow up questions:

For a health conscious person, who likes to eat fresh, organic foods, is there a scene for that in Lisbon? Even just a few good supermarkets and restaurants would be good enough tbh : )
How is the expat/digital nomad/online entrepreneur community in Lisbon? I know Barca has quite a big community in that regard.

Re: the language. Yeah it’s tough. I speak a bit of Spanish, but spanish in Barca is prtty different then, say, Valencia or South America. Much faster, much harder to understand.
Sounds beautiful though

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Where do you work from in Lisbon? 🧳☕

in Lisbon, Portugal by @dominiksobe | 1mo 1mo | 1 comment

Hi everyone,

I am going to move to Lisbon in July and I was wondering where you guys work from? Do you have any recommendations for working on a budget? Any good cafès or cheap coworking spaces?

I did some research and found some coworking spaces for > ~ 100€ p. month which is pretty reasonable but too much for me right now.

Thanks!

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@lukenomadic | 1mo 1mo

There are also plenty of wonderful cafes to work from. Several Copenhagen Coffee Labs, Heim, The Mill...

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My first time nomad-ing... Spain or Portugal?

in Portugal by @jasraj | 1yr 1yr | 6 comments

Hey everyone,

I’m a freelance + nomad newbie, off for my 1st proper trip in May. I’m wanting to spend a month somewhere and go from there.

I just came back from Slovenia/Ljubljana and loved it there (just a week). I don’t mind “sleepier” places par-say, as long as they’re close to a beach or nature of some kind. In fact, I kinda like places less-busy and a bit smaller/cosier.

I’m been swaying towards Porto, but have been impressed by the rave reviews I’ve seen for Valencia.

-> Have you every nomad-ed in a Spanish/Portuguese city? I’d love to know where and what you liked/disliked

Thanks!

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@jaystan | 6mo 6mo

My wife and I spent 3 months in southern Spain and Portugal, Carnival in Cadiz is THE BEST. its also relatively close to the Algarve, which is beautiful. Base out of Sevilla or Cadiz, you will love it

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@jasraj | 1yr 1yr

Thanks @edu_sunandco - I’ve emailed you at [email protected] and [email protected] addresses.

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@jasraj | 1yr 1yr

PS. For anyone who is curious, the list I have compiled is as follows:

Sende; Galicia, northwest Spain (close to Vigo & Portugal border)

Sun&Co; Javea, eastern Spain, coast (near Valencia)

NineColiving; Tenerife

Coworking-in-the-sun; Tenerife

Restation; Gran Canaria

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@eduardo | 1yr 1yr

Hi @jasraj, you can send us an email to [email protected]

Regarding your question above, I love Maruchi and Edo from Sende. They are super cool and the community they built in this rural town of Galicia is amazing.

I also know, Maria, the founder of Restation and she is doing a great job there. They have three apartments and then a coworking space. It’s not all under one roof but they do a lot of event in order to build the community.

I heard also good things from NineColiving, but since it’s pretty new I don’t know much.

It’s a long time since I haven’t heard from Coworking in the Sun.

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@jasraj | 1yr 1yr

Hey @edu_sunandco!

Thanks a lot for your message. I’ve been reading a couple of your other posts on the forum, actually, Sun&Co got my attention!

And it’s funny you suggest that… I’ve been looking at CoLiving spaces in Spain/Portugal/Canary Islands… Sun&Co is on the list!

I’d love to chat. I’ll send you an email. Jas

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@eduardo | 1yr 1yr

Hi @jasraj,

My name is Edu, I’m originally from Valencia and I love my city, it’s a very cool city to live in. It’s a mix of a big city with so many events going on and a small town by the sea.

If you’re starting your Digital Nomad adventure, I would recommend you to try a coliving space first. There you will be able to find many other people that have been doing that for a long time and you’ll be able to learn from there.

I’m the co-founder of Sun and Co coliving space, (you can search that on google), in a town called Jávea, about 2 hours from Valencia. You can check many other coliving spaces if you want to travel to other destinations of course

Good luck in this new adventure and I hope to see you soon in Valencia or Jávea!

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Anyone here resident in Portugal with incorporation elsewhere in the EU? Need some advice

in Portugal by @solardive | 3yr 3yr | 0 comments

Hi everyone!

Currently looking at ridding myself of the 9-5 and becoming a freelance consultant. I’m not planning to go full erm, “tax optimisation”, as I believe in taxes as a concept, but I would like to pay less of them so I can get my business off the ground with more peace of mind.

I’ve decided I want to apply for the Portugal NHR (I’m a EU citizen), but I don’t want to incorporate there. Anyone here has experience with being a Portugal tax resident and running a company elsewhere? If yes, where and why did you choose that country/place? Is it a a lot of hassle?

Thanks!

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How to find a short-term apartment in Lisbon?

in Lisbon, Portugal by @jenny_ | 4yr 4yr | 10 comments

Hi everyone,

We are looking for a 1-bedroom apartment close to the city centre - budget: max 800 Euro. Can someone help?

Thanks! Jenny & Sebastian

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@flyingscottie | 3yr 3yr

Hi Jenny,

Did you find something? Are you here in Lisbon now?

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@timhc22 | 4yr 4yr

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@jenny_ | 4yr 4yr

Did you stay in a private room or did you have your own apartment? We would like to have our own apartment from which we can work from most of the time, too.

I’ll have another look at airbnb and the websites Tiagor suggested, but last time I checked the cheapest option cost something around 800 Euro/month. Hope we’ll find something cheaper, soon.

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@kristin | 4yr 4yr

I would definitely recommend Uniplaces, they should have something that’s easily in your budget.
I’m living in Lisbon since 2.5 years, I’m sure you’ll love it!

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@flyingscottie | 4yr 4yr

Hi Jenny,

Can’t offer too much info on the accommodation, but if you want to get together when you arrive, ping me a message. My partner and I have been here since January and we LOVE Lisbon

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@jenny_ | 4yr 4yr

Will do! Thanks

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@jenny_ | 4yr 4yr

Thanks guys! We’ll check it out! Jenny

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@reganha | 4yr 4yr

With that budget you’ll get something very nice easily

Check it out:

There is also the “locals” facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/159234807548975/permalink/668792903259827/

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What are the best Lisbon neighborhoods to live in?

in Lisbon, Portugal by @thefakekozy | 4yr 4yr | 12 comments

Hello friends

Cheers,
Kozy

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@ttasterisco | 4yr 4yr

Parque das Nações isn’t on a hill, the area from Baixa to Marquês isn’t on a hill either.
Even Almirante Reis up to Alameda isn’t on a hill, though it’s starting to go up.

As for biking, while it’s not a great place to bike, a lot of people have started doing it on a day to day basis. Really depends on your commute.

You mean “Cacilhas”

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@reganha | 4yr 4yr

<2>@kolyo.g.kolev already said everything I’d just like to add that almost every Portuguese person understands basic English, and most are proficient, so language won’t be a problem.

Also, Uber is your bestfriend in Lisbon when going out of the “touristic center” (pretty much the area in green), cheap, fast, transparent.

Lisbon is very car friendly (even tho the locals don’t think so), you can get anywhere really fast unless it’s rush hour.

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@kolyo | 4yr 4yr

Hi Kozy

I lived in Lisbon for a few months, I loved it, and I think I could be of help here.

My recommendation - Alcantara, Casilhas or Alfama for short (romantic/cultural) stay; Sao Bento/Rato or Avenidas Novas for longer term city life with easy access to anything.

This is obviously my view - if you need anything else, let me know.
P.s. I’ll be in town for the Web Summit in 2 weeks.

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@thefakekozy | 4yr 4yr

Thanks for the comprehensive reply! Lots of good info to digest.

Adding Casilhas to the list for maybe a nice long weekend to try it out!

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@kolyo | 4yr 4yr

Hi - glad to help, it’s no secret I love Lisbon!

Hope this helps, and anything else - let me know

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@thefakekozy | 4yr 4yr

Great recommendations again! Hahaha, that’s awesome…yeah Luis and Pedro of Line Team (in that video) are legends in the int’l scene. Trained with Luis once in Rio I think - awesome guy!

Getting around on the daily: since it’s so hilly are bikes or a boosted board (motorized longboard) not recommended? Fine with walking, but also like other options if they’re available.

Also, how do you recommend getting a place? AirBnb? Uniplaces?

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@kolyo | 4yr 4yr

Accommodation (here I am more of an expert):

Airbnb in Lisbon is OK but you will pay Tourist prices (x3 than the locals).
Uniplaces - a local firm with amazing team but only if you have good 2-3 weeks + before you arrive, as landlords can take time to come back and they don’t advertise exclusively there. You should know this is not an instant booking app. Here you pay Erasmus* prices so 1.5x -2x than the locals.
So what do the locals do? They have facebook groups where things get literally grabbed in seconds, request to join: https://www.facebook.com/groups/CasasparaarrendaremLisboapormenosde500euros/ - this one is up t 500 EUR per month
https://www.facebook.com/groups/446389568835970/ - up to 300 EUR per month

I stayed with these guys: http://www.ondacity.com/ - it’s a cool team - they speak English and if you’re staying for 2 months + they are likely to accept you in case there are vacancies (they have rooms/ studios/ flats). I needed to move in asap and they managed the sign in in less than 3 days, so this is a good emergency service.
Similar providers are http://www.livinlisbon.com/student-rooms/.
…and if you are really lucky, you can get in http://www.uhub.eu/pt/residencias/lisboa/picoas - it’s great location, studio. There is also a huge city view terrace and air con working space on the top floor. Reasonably priced. I think it comes close to a nomad’s dream. It’s also 100 meters walk to metro and Virgin Active (https://www.virginactive.pt/ginasios/ginasio-lisboa-palacio-sottomayor) - one of Lisbon’s top gym+pool+sport centers (comes at around 60 Eur on an Erasmus deal). I went for a viewing at UHub’s Picoas location, and really liked it but then… the then current tenant extended her stay and I got left out! It still hurts to this day

Enjoy and anything else, let me know

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@thefakekozy | 4yr 4yr

Uhub and LivinLisbon looks currently sold out, but I hit them up about being put on the waiting list. OndaCity looks awesome though too!

Thanks again, mate! Saving the day! Sorry to have missed you for Web Summit - I touch down next week :-/

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@nomadbubble | 4yr 4yr

I went to a coworking space in LX Factory, it was a good place to get some work done. And nice breakfast places, too!

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@ttasterisco | 4yr 4yr

anywhere inside the green area will fit your budget and requirements.

santos and alcantara are nice but not as hot as bairro alto, rato, alfama, baixa

getting around lisbon really depends on where you live and where you want to go. but you’ll either be driving or taking the subway (or bus).

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@africajam | 4yr 4yr

Would it help to have a map where you can draw the areas and comment on them

Like this:

http://pickingplaces.com/b/areas/lisbon

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I lived in many cities in both South and North Europe. I never found, until now, a better city for digital nomads than Lisbon.
My experience there has been incredibly inspiring. Besides the great food and the affordable cost of living, I liked the most because it was effortless to meet like-minded people. A week after I arrived, I was already part of a soccer team, met two other people working in the same industry that I ended-up being close-friend and business-partner with, and had insightful conversations about my passions. I was surprised by how much Lisbon and Portugal have been able to attract so many great people. I'll definitely be back there soon

14 days ago

Great vibe and lovely people (I was surprised at the number of foreigners even in January!), fun nightlife.
Didn't find great cafes to work in, thankfully my hotel had decent internet.
The only downside for me is the food, once you get tired of bacalhau (codfish), everything is very...beige especially when you don't eat meat. There are a couple of new cute vegan places but expect to pay a premium for those!

6 months ago

One of my favourite cities. Lisbon is getting busier but it is a still an amazing nomad destination. Finding an Airbnb in the summer can be challenging but during the cooler months you can get amazing deals. Also staying at Outsite - the Coliving space is a great option for short term rentals as well and to get into the community of Lisbon. Every Thursday they have a nomad meet up - you can find it on Meetup the website. The cafes are great for working, yes the close early but that’s what Lisbon is wonderful - a better work life balance than SEA where you can always be working essentially. My favourite cafes to work from are Dear Breakfast - lots of outlets, The Mill, Outside Cowork Cafe and Comoba. You can use the app Get Croissant (the class pass of coworking spaces) to use coworking spaces when you’re on here temporarily.

Overall I love Lisbon. Amazing food, nice people and ocean views from everywhere in the city. Absolutely love it!

Really fun, but not such a good city for getting work done imo. Cafe's close early, lack of outlets in many locations now due to influx of digital nomads.

7 months ago

Amazing place! Definitely one of the most underrated countries in western Europe.

1 year ago

Culture, weather, sea, people, co-working spaces. Haven't found a better combination anywhere else.

Definitely the place to be in western Europe. Great weather, solid food, pretty cheap, good internet, a lot of fun stuff to do, expats everywhere, English gets the job done, awesome day trips... I could go on and on.

Most of the cafes are not suitable for working, they're small and crowded.

Out of all the European places we lived in, Lisbon is our favorite and we plan on returning many times.

Lisbon is not that inexpensive. I had wicked trouble with allergies in the buildings. They are not renovated properly and have issues with mold.

⭐️ Overall Score	4.53/5 253 reviews
🎒 Nomad Score™	4.53/5
👍 Quality of life score	Good
👶 Family score	Good
💵 Cost	😙 Affordable: $2,041 / mo
📡 Internet	🏎 Fast: 30Mbps (avg)
😝 Fun	Good
⛅️ Temperature (now)	🌞 Perfect: 27°C81°F (feels 29°C84°F)
💦 Humidity (now)	😊 Comfy: 67%
💨 Air quality (now)	🌱 Great: 33 US AQI
👌 Safety	Great
🎓 Education level	Okay
❤️ Liked by members	👍39 likes vs. 👎3 dislikes
🙊 English speaking	Good
😤 People density	🧘‍♀️ Low density: 6k ppl/km² (12x12m)
🚶 Walkability	Great
✌️ Peace	Good
🚦 Traffic safety	Okay
🏥 Hospitals	Bad
😄 Happiness	Okay
🍸 Nightlife	Okay
📶 Free WiFi in city	Okay
🖥 Places to work from	Great
❄️ A/C or heating	Okay
😁 Friendly to foreigners	Good
🗯 Freedom of speech	Great
🤚🏿🤚🏻 Racial tolerance	Okay
👩 Female friendly	Good
🌈 LGBTQ+ friendly	Great
🎅 Startup Score	Okay

🌍 Region	Europe
🚩 Country	Portugal
⏱ Average trip duration	10 days
📡 Internet speed (avg)	30 Mbps
⛅️ Weather (now)	🌥 27°C 81°F + Humid (67%) = feels 29°C 84°F
💨 Air quality (now)	👍 33 US AQI 🍃 good
🔌 Power	230V 50Hz
🧔 Best neighborhood to stay	Penha de França + São João
🚀 Upcoming neighborhood	Marvila
🚕 Best taxi app (in country)	Uber
🚑 Travel medical insurance	Safetywing
📱 Best wireless carrier	Vodafone
🏧 Suggested ATM take out:	EUR 100 = USD 118
💸 Tipping	No
💳 Cashless society	💳 Yes, cards OK almost everywhere
💻 Best coworking space	CoworkLisboa
🚰 Safe tap water	👌 Yes, drinkable
♻️ Return rate	14% of visitors return
📸 Visitors per year	3,320,300 visitors
📸 Tourists now	63,633 tourists
👨‍👩‍👧‍👦 Population	550,000 people
😤 Population density	🤨 busy: 12x12m (144m²) per person
🏞 Foreign land ownership allowed	Yes
👫 Gender ratio (overall)	👨 46% 👱‍♀️ 54%
👫 Gender ratio (young adults)	👨 56% 👱‍♀️ 44%
⛪️ Religious government	Non-religious
💻 Online electronics shop	Fnac
✈️ Best short-haul air carrier	EasyJet
✈️ Best int'l air carrier	TAP

💵 Cost of living for nomad	$2,041 / month
💵 Cost of living for expat	$1,477 / month
💵 Cost of living for family	$3,058 / month
💵 Cost of living for local	$874 / month
🏠 1br studio rent in center	$768 / month
🏢 Coworking	$176 / month
🏨 Hotel	$1,009 / month
🏨 Hotel	$47 / night
🏠 Airbnb (1,001 listings)	$1,925 / month
🏠 Airbnb	$63 / night
🍛 Dinner	$7
🥤 Coca-Cola (0.3L)	$1.08
🍺 Beer (0.5L)	$2
☕️ Coffee	$1
💰 Estimated tax on $50,000	$23,847
💰 Estimated tax on $100,000	$52,994
💰 Estimated tax on $250,000	$145,334

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